New Korg Update: Gadget 3 with AU Support!

ExAsperis99

@Spidericemidas said:

@wim said:

@LuizLikesKorg said:

@tk32 said:
I have a very quick question for the Gadget pros…
If I tweak a dial — eg the fine tuning of a drum sample pitch in the Recife gadget — how do I reset the dial back to 0??

As far as I know, all KORG apps supports the "flick" gesture for rounding/fine tuning.
Simply perform a vertical, quick and short drag on the knob.
If there is decimal values, it will be first rounded. After that it will inc/dec by 1 unit.

Worst f*ing gesture in the history of f*ed up gestures.

I must admit, as much as I absolutely adore Gadget and love working in depth with it more than any other app, I do find myself double tapping dials and sliders to reset them out of habit from using that gesture in just about every other app! And it's frustrating when nothing happens. Some dials I find extremely troublesome to fine tune even with the flick gesture, like the tuning dial in Bilbao for example. But overall it's a small annoyance compared to the huge fun and productivity that the Gadget environment provides me.

It's a pretty simple and standard function. I'm surprised it has so far never been implemented in Gadget.

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Samu

So I've gone thru all the Korg AUv3's now and Phoenix is the only one with broken synthesis (ie. the wave-form selector doesn't play correct waveform).
Santa-Ana has a very wide pattern selection menu compared to stand-alone Gadget.
All the samples imported to the Gadget AUv3's are kept in their own 'sandboxes' and NOT available in stand-alone Gadget.

When files are put into the Korg Gadget Folder with Files.app they are available for all Gadgets that support user-samples but not to the Gadget AUv3s.
Only 'Phoenix' is technically broken, my typical luck the first Gadget AUv3 I tried

auxmux

That's annoying re samples, that makes drum gadgets much less useful

Samu

@auxmux said:
That's annoying re samples, that makes drum gadgets much less useful

London, Gladstone, Receife and a few others don't even allow loading of user samples

Only Bilbao, Abu Dhabi, Vancouver and the new Sydney looper support user samples and for those other AUv3's such as Koala do a better job anyway...

...I have not tried to import *.rex files to the Stockholm AUv3. For the stand-alone Gadget I've just dumped a folder with *.rex files in to root of the Korg Gadget folder.
(Which I've downloaded from here)

It only becomes a bit 'problematic' if one is constantly jumping between using stand-alone and AU3's...
...most likely I'll continue to use Gadget as stand-alone for creating sampler-fodder for other apps.

For me the biggest annoyance is the broken wave-form selector in Phoenix AUv3 which is one of my favorite Gadget stock-synths.

Cheers!

thesoundtestroom

For anyone interested here is Santa Ana in more detail.

Spidericemidas

@ExAsperis99 said:

@Spidericemidas said:

@wim said:

@LuizLikesKorg said:

@tk32 said:
I have a very quick question for the Gadget pros…
If I tweak a dial — eg the fine tuning of a drum sample pitch in the Recife gadget — how do I reset the dial back to 0??

As far as I know, all KORG apps supports the "flick" gesture for rounding/fine tuning.
Simply perform a vertical, quick and short drag on the knob.
If there is decimal values, it will be first rounded. After that it will inc/dec by 1 unit.

Worst f*ing gesture in the history of f*ed up gestures.

I must admit, as much as I absolutely adore Gadget and love working in depth with it more than any other app, I do find myself double tapping dials and sliders to reset them out of habit from using that gesture in just about every other app! And it's frustrating when nothing happens. Some dials I find extremely troublesome to fine tune even with the flick gesture, like the tuning dial in Bilbao for example. But overall it's a small annoyance compared to the huge fun and productivity that the Gadget environment provides me.

It's a pretty simple and standard function. I'm surprised it has so far never been implemented in Gadget.

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Pretty much! 😂😅

The Krazy Wabbit

too many comments to read. So no ability to load an AUV3 inside of gadget from what I am seeing. Accurate statement?

Disregard. Do this in AUM. my bad

michael_m

@HotStrange said:

@michael_m said:

@espiegel123 said:
Hopefully, they will roll out AUv3 of the standalones like OdysseI and MonoPoly and ims-20. Fingers-crossed.

Yes, those are the ones that I would like to see, especially the iMS-20.

I haven’t had Gadget installed for a long time. Not sure if I would use the included gadgets much, so might not update. Maybe I’ll watch Doug’s video and decide.

It’s a free update FYI! Or is it just a matter of not having storage space that has you hesitant?

If you have the storage, would probably be worth it to just upgrade and try out rather than rely solely on demos.

I’m just not sure I’ll use them that much. I have a bunch of apps that are in the same ballpark as many of them as AUv3s, and never really got on with using gadget itself.

Eschatone

@Philandering_Bastard said:
Looks like the Gadget versions of their standalone synths haven’t gotten the AU treatment.

That’s a big bummer. Those are the primary reasons I use Gadget anymore. Most of the gadget originals are decent to meh, but mostly stuff easily replicated in other AUV3 synths. The standalone korg synths are where it’s at — something I’d pay to have access to AUV3 versions of. Especially Polysix, iM1 or the Wavestation one.

I’m glad they’re moving gadget forward though — but jeez, my AUV3 list certainly didn’t need any more clutter

Carnbot

@The Krazy Wabbit said:

too many comments to read. So no ability to load an AUV3 inside of gadget from what I am seeing. Accurate statement?

It's accurate, I doubt they will ever do that since it would stop people buying the Gadget synths.

I would like it if they implemented an AU midi FX Gadget as it would make the sequencer potential in Gadget more interesting.

R_2

I appreciate some of the improvements to Gadget. In particular the sound browser and the ‘Play page’ which finally provides onscreen velocity control (much needed for Milpitas, Darwin, Glasgow, all the synths with velocity variation basically).
The included Lisbon chords are nice too. Hopefully modulation control (y-axis) and pitchbend will be added in the future.

They also increased the size of a gadget (horizontal mode) so no more black bars to the side on my 12.9”.

gregsmith

As someone who’s never owned gadget, whilst this is exciting, I think I’m gonna hold off and see if Korg give their other standalone apps the auv3 treatment.

RajahP

@thesoundtestroom said:
For anyone interested here is Santa Ana in more detail.

Pretty nice.. Reminds me of the great Steinberg Virtual Guitarist 2.

Thanks..

Hope there will be more ‘styles’… IAP..

FordTimeLord

Is this time indicator in Sydney purely cosmetic do you think? It always seems to say 60 seconds remaining and as far as I can tell the max loop length is 30 seconds

FPC

@gregsmith said:
As someone who’s never owned gadget, whilst this is exciting, I think I’m gonna hold off and see if Korg give their other standalone apps the auv3 treatment.

Yup me too. Kinda dreading 'having' to buy all those synths but I can't not buy Mono/poly (used to have a real one) and MS20. And Polysix.

cyberheater

I bought Sydney. Not sure if it was on offer or not

purpan2

@ZooBaaDoo said:

@JRSIV said:
Q> @Simon said:

@JRSIV said:
A device that's less than the size of a magazine is more powerful than the major recording studios of the 80's, 90's and 2000's.

Yeah. I always think how heavy a reel of half or one inch tape was compared to an iPad. And that's just the tape - not the recorder. And mixer and all the other stuff...

Don’t get me wrong, I started in music recording in 1994 and as we old dudes often do I totally look at analog through rose colored glasses. We forget just how much more fiddly and intricate the technology was. Even in my home setup of cassette PortaStudio’s and pro-sumer reel to reels you had to clean the heads, condition the pinch roller and demagnetize the tape path between sessions.

The convenience of digital probably helped it overtake analog as much as sound quality did.

I only go this to say hi from one old dude to another 😂 oh how I miss my editing block and razor blades 😜

I do kinda miss it. Working as a programme producer at LBC, I often had to tidy up audio to clean up speech (we did voiced serials, where an actor would do the reading and you’d have to seamlessly lose the pauses where they messed up and re-did it). I remember I used to hang a few seconds of speech on tape lengths over my shoulders and around my neck, ready to insert somewhere else. I’d keep useful breaths on short strips of tape, stuck to the front of the Studer. You could do wonders, really, if you listened carefully.

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

@thesoundtestroom said:
For anyone interested here is Santa Ana in more detail.

Thanks Doug. It’s growing on me, but you still have to buy Gadget 3 to be able to use the guitar iap in Cubasis, right?

realdawei

Yeah I will need Darwin AU…until then Patterning AU is still the front runner for the 2024 crown

qqq

Such an awesome update! Glad to see Korg is really re-committing to iOS. Hoping this means we'll get iM1/iMS20/iWavestation AUv3s at some point as well

I went out and bought iMS20 since it is on sale. It was the first synth I really learned on, back when I pirated it on iOS 7 or whatever . Still sounds great. Would love to bring it into my productions.

Edit: If/when Korg makes the Memphis (iMS20) gadget an AUv3, I hope they consider updating the graphics a bit. I'm a huge fan of skeuomorphism even though its out of style, but skeuomorphic dust, smudging and unreadable text are a bit much

Edit 2: Looks like the gadget synths that get activated from owning another app (like Memphis) will not be ported to AUv3. Instead the base apps will.

Samu

I filed a proper support request to KORG

The waveform selectors do not work as expected in the Phoenix AUv3.

(TRI, SAW, SQUARE all produce SAW wave output).

Phoenix works perfectly in the standalone Gadget so it's only the AUv3 that is 'wonky'.
That's just about the only 'real' bug I've bumped into with the Korg Gadget AUv3's.

I have to revise the above sentence, the Gadget AUv3's are quite prone to bailing out and crashing when restoring sessions so Korg has some serious home-work to do.

Also recording Midi and/or Automation from the plug-in UI is a hit or miss depending on which host is used.

To keep my sanity and blood-pressure under control I'll just use Gadget as a stand-alone app like I always have.
Too bad the Gadget AUv3's can't be 'hidden'

Cheers!

dannysteel

The reverbs and compressors all seem much improved or am i just imagining this with the upgraded GUI?

Samu

@R_2 said:
I appreciate some of the improvements to Gadget. In particular the sound browser and the ‘Play page’ which finally provides onscreen velocity control (much needed for Milpitas, Darwin, Glasgow, all the synths with velocity variation basically).

But they forgot it for the 'Drum Gadgets' which now get the preset midi-pattern trigger thing instead

I think I'll just stick to using Gadget as Stand-Alone like I always have to stay sane and avoid getting too high blood-pressure...

The AUv3's are just a head-ache not worth having with dropped notes, flaky touch-automation, satan loosing sync with host tempo, a total gamble if the AUv3 'survives' a state-restore or track duplication etc.

So far my iPad has sent 20+ crash-reports to Korg all pointing at Gadget with various 'wake-ups issues' and 'jetisons(ie. memory leaks).

So KORG still has plenty of home-work to do when it comes to proper AUv3 implementation.

Cheers!

AudioGus

@Samu said:

@R_2 said:
I appreciate some of the improvements to Gadget. In particular the sound browser and the ‘Play page’ which finally provides onscreen velocity control (much needed for Milpitas, Darwin, Glasgow, all the synths with velocity variation basically).

But they forgot it for the 'Drum Gadgets' which now get the preset midi-pattern trigger thing instead

I think I'll just stick to using Gadget as Stand-Alone like I always have to stay sane and avoid getting too high blood-pressure...

The AUv3's are just a head-ache not worth having with dropped notes, flaky touch-automation, satan loosing sync with host tempo, a total gamble if the AUv3 'survives' a state-restore or track duplication etc.

So far my iPad has sent 20+ crash-reports to Korg all pointing at Gadget with various 'wake-ups issues' and 'jetisons(ie. memory leaks).

So KORG still has plenty of home-work to do when it comes to proper AUv3 implementation.

Cheers!

Yah I went back to Gadget standalone a few months ago. Tired of AUv3 and host issues. Walled gardens ftw!

R_2

@Samu said:

@R_2 said:
I appreciate some of the improvements to Gadget. In particular the sound browser and the ‘Play page’ which finally provides onscreen velocity control (much needed for Milpitas, Darwin, Glasgow, all the synths with velocity variation basically).

But they forgot it for the 'Drum Gadgets' which now get the preset midi-pattern trigger thing instead

Velocity pads would have been nice (particularly for Gladstone).
I’m glad they haven’t removed that preset-pattern-touch thing, quite useful for laying down stuff. For anyone experimenting with it: make sure to turn-off quantize before recording, otherwise the subtle swing in some of the patterns gets lost.

ambrosiajam

@mjm1138 said:

@gusgranite said:
Well done, Korg! 👏

Love having Rozeta and Octachron sequence these drum machines in AUM.

Yeah, I was just playing with Rozeta Bassline driving Chicago. Good stuff!

pretty much the perfect combo imo lol

ambrosiajam

I also spent a good while using Rozeta particles on the Santa Ana and I must say, it does seem to make the characteristic “guitar imperfections” work well too. A nice way to make riffs not sound so ‘stiff’ and programmed

ambrosiajam

@dannysteel said:
The reverbs and compressors all seem much improved or am i just imagining this with the upgraded GUI?

I haven’t spent a lot of time with the reverb, but the compressors seem A LOT better to me? There’s also a much better visual feedback that seems to match a lot better too (if I recall, the old indicator was just a lil red light that sometimes lit up and dimmed? Lol)

ambrosiajam

@R_2 said:

@Samu said:

@R_2 said:
I appreciate some of the improvements to Gadget. In particular the sound browser and the ‘Play page’ which finally provides onscreen velocity control (much needed for Milpitas, Darwin, Glasgow, all the synths with velocity variation basically).

But they forgot it for the 'Drum Gadgets' which now get the preset midi-pattern trigger thing instead

Velocity pads would have been nice (particularly for Gladstone).
I’m glad they haven’t removed that preset-pattern-touch thing, quite useful for laying down stuff. For anyone experimenting with it: make sure to turn-off quantize before recording, otherwise the subtle swing in some of the patterns gets lost.

Good news here is that the velocity edits seem to be a lot easier to manage

ambrosiajam

I did encounter a few bugs here and there while playing around with gadgets in AUM but since it was just released I fully expect bugs, not to mention especially the sheer quantity of different AUs they are managing all at once. It would be far less acceptable to me if they only released one gadget as an audio unit first