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Now that you mention it, it is rather strange that Apple has no decent jazz drummers in their Session drummer options (not to mention no blues drummers, reggae drummers, extended rock drum kits or even marching band drummers). There's plenty of room for improvement.
As someone who’s played in bands with human drummers for years, I actually find the included Session drummers in Logic pretty bland. OneShot just sounds a bit more ‘real’. I swapped a Logic preset with a OneShot drummer yesterday, and it totally livened up the track - sounded more like a band, less like a computer.
The UI needs work - doesn’t resize, buttons are too small, and there’s a fair bit of wasted space, but it’s now my go-to drum app just for the way it sounds.
last drum grumble ( not complaining about oneshot )
Will have to buy and use multiout.
Drum machines that arnt per track modules on ipad are so stupid.
When you use Drambo.
It gives you the ability to p-lock parameters ?
You cant with non track modules.
Apps like Drum computer, hammerhead etc.
You can sequence from different tracks. Then multiout audio
but you cant step lock anything, then theres the hassle of audio on other tracks etc.
You can buy hardware drums ( A volca drum etc for £50 )
Hold a step, tweak a parameter.
You cant on ipad ( even if it costs £1000s )
because the au isnt on the same track as the sequencer.
You can only mimic a volca drum, or elektron boxes in Drambo.
If each track is sequencing either drambo modules or low cpu audio unit.
Were just going to see if I can create a low buffer ipad ready for oneshot and blend template with a regular multiout electronic drum au.
Drum apps that are p-lockable are pointless.
So it leaves you with FAC drum ( which isnt p-lockable anyway ) So you add additional modules etc, for some knob type external sound shaping.
In other words.
Theres no way im giving up my electronic multi instance au to build a mixture template of oneshot and fac drum of plain multiouts.
I cant stand you cant p-lock even in a host that can ( so not even as functional as a 2nd hand volca drum ) and cant stand even multiout audio ( for drums )
The point is.
Oneshot will either be a different template but on same ipad as electronic drums but just adjust buffer.
Or oneshot be on another ipad with an always generally set low buffer, at the cost of less synths.
So stupid you cant just step lock any computer based drum machines ( unless its on same track as sequencer )
Apps like oneshot will make you forget parameter locks, like elektrons and volca drums.
Its why Iv been going on about drums.
Forgot how pointless it is to have modern drum machine au, in an elektron based host but cant p-lock.
So best not bother.
Cheers for info.
Btw, this evening i tried around importing some „Samples from Mars“ kits with the desktop-demo on my windows maschine. At first i tried a 909 kit with „automatic assignment“, but even though the multiple BD and SN wavs used similar names, they were often spread out into separate slots.
It turned out that its a lot easier to just select related wavs and import them in a slot, preview and re-order them and remove the outliers that sound too different. Nice and easy workflow, i was able to map several kits. I also tried with „Battery Studio Drums“, which offers tons of velocity variants of each drum type. Worked like a charm, i just had to switch on ‚normalize“ as the lower velocity samples were recorded quieter.
At that point i was sure that i don‘t necessarily need the „Automatic Assignment“ feature (which as i understood is missing on the IOS version) i finally i bought the IOS version
I now played around importing similarly organized samples into OneShot! auv3 from within AUM and it works quite well and the same easy workflow as on the desktop version.
There is only a minor work-flow annoyance while setting up a kit from a given sample folder: The import button does not remember the previously used path, one always has to navigate through tons of folders to the one containg the kits samples.
This works correctly on the desktop version, so i reported a bug report/feature request about this hopefully simple to fix omission to Klevgrand.
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And yeah, the kits supplied with OneShot! are fantastic … but my main interest in OneShot! is to finally be able to use all the drum sample kits I've accumulated over the years without having to compromise on velocity layer, robin round or ease of mapping
Buying now.
Hopefully I can access oneshot files. Drop audio to another app. For 12 track ( 16 hits per track ) Euclidean ( obviously without velocity )
Will have to midi map to faderfox controller etc
May post again.
To show what euclidean madness of acoustics sounds like verses electronic drums.
Euclidean jazz.
So you control all the euclideans via cc knobs.
Then transpose each track via keyboard to choose the hit ( Say from 16 kicks or 16 snares )
Its kind of like 16 bands in a jazz room.
Last I checked AudioLayer doesn’t have multi-out which is certainly a deal breaker if you’re to do any decent amount of sound tweaking. It’s extremely powerful but not “tweakable “, it does convert from exs which is very handy for large drum kits… in short, it’s a full-blown sampler but not specific for drums like OneShot. iOS really needed this.
@PapaBPoppin im very envious of people that can fingerdrum. I can only do 2 fingers at a time (snare + kick, then hihats overdubs, etc…). Any methods, tutorials or videos “for dummies” you’d recommend to try and get started?. I know for a fact its hard as hell, but curious about the techniques.
Its a finger drum app.
Obviously you can just sequence.
Meaning.
The kits are more than 16 hits.
So more hits than most sequencer or host pads.
So you feel you might wish to use a controller.
Finger drumming pianoteq steel drums from launchpad is hypnotic.
This will be also.
May have to see about a longer usb and another gravity speaker stand
Shame all samples arnt part of download to drop into my electronic euclidean thing.
Can probably sample 12 x 16 sounds but would have been cool to access 8000 samples ( drag and drop to FAC )
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Sorry mate, didn't see any mention of MultiOut in the initial post i was responding to. All it says is there's been no options for Velocity Layers and Round Robin, but wanted to post there is definitely one option that I've been using for a year with Drumdrops FULL (30+ layers for just closed hats) kits (AudioLayer) and one I think works similar and is free (Decent Sampler), but I haven't tried for Drumdrops, only recently been using it for other instruments, and I'm pretty sure it does both RR and VL simultaneously, but I don't have the constant visual confirm like AudioLayer, and I haven't checked otherwise. But it sounds that way?
As for learning? I'll give it a swing! YouTube DragonFingerDrums just fking clicked for me. Dragon has a full kit layout on a 4x4, unmirrored, that mimics a live set
I'm a live musician/performer/guitar/bass/frontman vocals/harmonies (few years since, but still there like a reflex if ever needed. It was life for 2 decades) etc etc, dabbled in drums but never a focus. But I could keep rhythm and can do some poly rhythms... But couldn't play a full song (just for level of where I started with drum exp, so you can kinda gauge where you're at rhythmically for startinf points. I hope that makes sense)
His layout is PERFECT for a full kit play. I highly recommend checking out a vid or two of performance stuffs
He's got older tutorial vids as well, layout tutorial and explanations and reasonings (why it's set up like that... Not just "this goes here" "now copy this rhythm" etc), and a few followups for basic starting
I was up and moving when I finally got a pad
If you check out my channel (same name as here, only got a small handful of vids up) the first one is a short just a couple weeks after getting the SMC-Pad, used in the vid, and that's first my first 4x4 controller and starting REAL finger drumming
Did a little bit on a Korg NanoPad2 on koala on Android, but that was kick/snare with trap hats on resampled to different beat repeat tempos to test out... That's why I said "real" earlier
HOWEVER, mirrored is quite legit. I've been getting to know Nular (another name to check on yt) an INSANE one man djent band on a LaunchpadPro with an incredibly self-designed Live plugin called NularSeq which triggers guitars and bass via specific finger drum pads (not separate from the drums, so he plays all instruments at once... And just added lighting control to it). And it's not loops of instruments playing. It's maaaaad djent, pushing to thall-level. And he does improvised sets as well
If djent and thall are foreign terms, well, you'll see xD
(It's a combo of round robin guitar and bass along with some switching controls... And aftertouch to add bends to chords. Absolutely mindbreaking. And that's not including his ABSOLUTELY STELLAR drum playing. He goes on absolute tears)
I don't have definite direction to point for LEARNING mirrored (since I didn't go down that path), however I believe QuestForGroove is a good place to start there. Ive watched some of his for random info here and there, and I really like his teaching style and delivery, and I think MOST of his instructions are free on yt
DragonFingerDrums has great beginner tutorials free on YouTube but pushes much larger/deeper classes are available, which I honestly can't afford, BUT, I'm curious to see because his teaching style also directly clicked for me, soni quote curious about seeing his instructions on other styles of play and higher-end skills/exercises. Some might think it's a cash grab (sometimes those classes are) but from what I've seen, I don't get that impression (though he promotes it a lot. Heads up lol)
Hope that helps! (Side note, the SMC-Pad is a great ~$50 option for a Bluetooth Midi starter. Kinda right pads, but absolutely usable for all aspects of this. Only reason it's not my main issue because of getting a launchpad x for the Notes option, velocity keys, and aftertouch for Swam playing and easier keys playing... Didn't even think of the drumming side when I picked it up. Dawned on me on the way home)
My apologies to others for the absolute wall of text. Not that this is the anywhere close to first time I've done it 😅
However, with that - I wasnt aware AudioLayer doesn't support MultiOut! I havent even thought of touching that end of production (just put up my first full track last weekend lol) BUT, I was holding on to the MultiOut kits from the Drumdrops downloads Just In Case (either I learned how to use them, or Id randomly find out one is better than the other for whatever reason)
So it's safe to drop them from AudioLayer since they're technically useless?
Where are the jazz packs to buy ?
Why is there only 9 outputs ?
How do you pan sounds with only 9 outputs ?
RTFM.
Lonk: https://klevgrand.com/products/oneshot-jazz-kit
(For future note, it's listed IN the page for the OneShot desktop app on their site along with like 4 more kit options)
Also, I believe until end of Sept (timeframe of Early Bird Pricing) this coupon code should be good for 50% off these sample packs! (I've got the Jazz kit in the cart sitting at $19.99 right now)
Discount Code: P0PWk6VR
As for the rest... No idea!
(Still can't justify the $20 towards that with the mass amount of kits I just got, but hot damn so I want to play it sooo bad. Bday around the corner, so if code is good thru next week, I'll hafta treat myself xD)
Theres just 9 outputs.
Cant see how reading a manual will magic more outputs.
Thanks.
Id probably buy the jazz pack.
Happy Birthday mate.
Cool app.
Reading the manual shows envelopes, filters etc, which I didnt notice.
Does seem like theres only 9 outputs ( for 16 + channels ) ?
Id probably buy the other drum pack ( Rock ) also.
Not that I listen to rock and heavy metal but finger drumming Iv seen on youtube, with heavy metal/rock.
Sounds good.
So maybe worth buying.
Oh man... I feel like I should be keeping track while going thru all these
Might want to look thru the presets first. There are some much bigger sounding kits with a little sprinkle of embiggening and widening or sharpening or whatever fking quick applied magic y'all can do, it might suit the bill
Not trying to harsh excitement over great kits but (for instance) - there's a preset Motown that rivals Drumdrops Motown kit. The Drumdrops Motown with the Shelbyville snare was my FAVORITE to jam with for practice over j5's quality control... Almost nightly for a while
And the OneShot Motown retains a lot of the classic reverberation and timbre but with a slightly larger sound ... Not right word... wider sound with a little more umph but doesn't detract from the nostalgic fwap that apparently Motown kits (I'm realizing) are known for
So it might save ya $20-40 to take a look thru, jic
(I've only got a few packs to go thru and I'm pretty sure none of them will compensate for the jazz pack. I mean, none did so far, and I think the last few packs are electric/electronic variants)
I don't even know what the Rock Kit has to offer, so I didint listen for anything that could be a reasonable simulacrum for that one
With custom SFZ instruments and isFizz you can have all those features, and more. All you need to do is spend dozens and dozens of hours deciphering the SFZ standard and practically give yourself an aneurysm editing massive text files like I did recently. 😂
Is anyone else having trouble importing the kits? They don’t seem to pop up in the categories after downloading and opening them in oneshot. I’ve tried: opening from the download folder, copying them to hd and opening them and even reinstalling onshot. No luck. Help would be appreciated!
So is it easier enough now to do batch import since the update ?
The extension kits? Imported fine for me. After purchase you will have choices to download various versions. Download the ios versions. Then use Apple Share Sheet to share to OneShot. After sharing they should appear in the category lists of OneShot preset browser, under names like Cajon, Kalimba, etc
It also works to click on the extension files in the Files app while having Oneshot open. They are then immediately visible in the app.
Seems like Multi-out is not working in Logic… that’s a real downer. There’s only the “stereo” version. You can choose outputs per slot but there’s no way, unless I’m missing something, to output them in Logic.
This is a big issue. It shows as multi-bus in AUM so I guess this is a specific Logic issue. I hope this is resolved soon or, even better, that someone proves me wrong.
I’ve been browsing the kits and comparing them to the Logic stock drums and I much prefer the OneShot sounds. They’re great, to my ears they sound more natural and less processed out of the box.
I do wish the whole slot (kit piece) settings were saved with the preset. As it is the plugin slot settings are not saved, not a huge deal but it’d be nice to save a kit piece with eq and compression settings for recall.
Even easier, nice
Have you tried the classic 'Replace Trick' (Ie. replace the Plug-In with it self) to make Logic scan the plug-in for additional outputs? This only needs to be done once, after that Logic 'remembers' the plug-in supports multiple outputs.
This is needed because LogicPro for iPad does run 'auval' (AU Validation) on launch when new plugins are installed...
I did try the replace method. Only stereo version shows up. Don’t know why it’d show up in AUM but not in Logic.
Yeah Logic AU multi out is a PITA.
It goes something like this: add instrument, go to mixer view, select + button (top of screen), tap on instrument name, select Replace, select multi-out version of AU, create busses with the + button at the bottom of inst channel on mixer. Then, depending on the app, enable/assign multi outs on the AU itself.
Something like that anyway. Really needs to be simpler.