iOS Youtubers and the iOS platform

Fruitbat1919 · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Isn't this the way of all markets though? As a market grows, More come to hock their wares to that market trying to gain a foothold. As more come, the market gets saturated and some fall by the wayside. In most markets 'Labour of love' is not enough to succeed. Some will survive through great advertising, or product placement or just dumb luck.....some won't survive whatever they bring to the party.

Markets are like living breathing creatures - they have lifespans and sometimes are affected by not only their own actions, but also things out of their control. That's why I buy multiples of certain apps over time - I know some will fail and become useless code in the void.

Even PC music making devs and you tubers live and die at the sometimes cruel wim of market forces and other such things - at least on the grand scale of things, music making apps are low on the hierarchy of needs!

Agreed and I was stating the obvious.
What I'm lookng at is what needs to change
to keep this small niche market going or if anything needs changing at all
because the dev's and iOS tubers are not making enough money
and without them the market will simply stall.

Will it though? As some fall by the wayside, will it not open up market share for some others letting them survive? Maybe the few large company homogeneous market with bland product is just the final destination (yes, a play on the name of the film) of all markets as the larger whole (civilisations) grows then falls!? The sine waves goodbye.

That was mentioned earlier, large bland homogenous companies with crap tech support (I added that end bit there).
True when businesses fall by the wayside it does create gaps for other companies to step in.
Sometimes it does need a bland homogenous company to even show interest in a market for the market to say,
"well things need to change around here, we need to survive, we don't want bland" and that generates reviving interest.

Yes, it's a natural life cycle.

seonnthaproducer · October 13

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Nuuksio · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@Nuuksio said:
There was another question about whether regularly complaining about not being paid as much as you want, not having as big an audience as you want, not getting the engagement you want, and life not being what you want, was relevant and helpful or Off-putting.

In every other sphere the answer is work harder, be better. Difficult if they're at maximum capacity, as it sounds like they are, or can't change, evolve, adapt. They'll be stuck where they are, like now.

I feel sorry for Gav and Doug but are the signs not there? They need to transform. Even Gav's call for support on his YouTube Community pages have got next to no responses on YouTube. It's very sad to see when this happens.

This is why this discussion started in the first place.
The change that Gav made was to move away from youtube and focus on his patreon
hence why there's even less traffic now on his YouTube though as he mentioned earlier
there was declining traffic anyway hence the move to patreon.
The OP of the now deleted thread was asking if it was lucrative or beneficial (from my understanding)
for dev's to give promo codes to iOS Tubers when the promo codes end up being behind a paywall.
Unfortunately for the OP though he expressed valid points,
he included that he was fed up both Gav and Doug's continuous "whining" in regards to their life situations
which many would take offence at including myself actually however that's a moot point at this stage.
Many people including myself will keep difficult situations very private,
both Doug and Gav bared their souls to the public and it was/is a very brave thing for them to do.

Agreed, they needed to transform and they both did.
They moved across to Patreon hopefully the move across to Patreon is being good to them.

Oh, I interpreted the original point being the validity and benefit to the developer of putting giveaways, from a developer, behind the paywall, when the public video would be made anyway and the paywall audience is very small.

I don’t see the move to Patreon as transformational in anyway, as it hasn’t changed the approach taken or improved the quality of the main content. As I understand it, aside from the odd Patreon-exclusive spoken video, and a couple of pad layouts it’s mainly just giving away more app codes behind the paywall, 20+ according to Gavin’s Community post for last month.

Gravitas · October 13

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Isn't this the way of all markets though? As a market grows, More come to hock their wares to that market trying to gain a foothold. As more come, the market gets saturated and some fall by the wayside. In most markets 'Labour of love' is not enough to succeed. Some will survive through great advertising, or product placement or just dumb luck.....some won't survive whatever they bring to the party.

Markets are like living breathing creatures - they have lifespans and sometimes are affected by not only their own actions, but also things out of their control. That's why I buy multiples of certain apps over time - I know some will fail and become useless code in the void.

Even PC music making devs and you tubers live and die at the sometimes cruel wim of market forces and other such things - at least on the grand scale of things, music making apps are low on the hierarchy of needs!

Agreed and I was stating the obvious.
What I'm lookng at is what needs to change
to keep this small niche market going or if anything needs changing at all
because the dev's and iOS tubers are not making enough money
and without them the market will simply stall.

Will it though? As some fall by the wayside, will it not open up market share for some others letting them survive? Maybe the few large company homogeneous market with bland product is just the final destination (yes, a play on the name of the film) of all markets as the larger whole (civilisations) grows then falls!? The sine waves goodbye.

That was mentioned earlier, large bland homogenous companies with crap tech support (I added that end bit there).
True when businesses fall by the wayside it does create gaps for other companies to step in.
Sometimes it does need a bland homogenous company to even show interest in a market for the market to say,
"well things need to change around here, we need to survive, we don't want bland" and that generates reviving interest.

Yes, it's a natural life cycle.

Very true.

The main reason why I added "the future of iOS" is because
I've noticed the market change from being on the platform for a number of years now.
I have a horse in this race because I am now selling some of my templates, designs and
very soon audio loops from the hardware that I have purchased over the past couple of years.
I've provided free tech support for those who have needed it which I shall continue to do
however I would like a return on the time and effort I've put into said designs so
I've opened up a Ko-fi shop which could succeed or fail which is a risk that I need to take.
My focus isnt entirely on the iOS market because I have fingers in other pies so to speak.
I'm being called back to being a full time musician, composer, producer
and also potentially managment and iOS apps are superb for the working creative so
in my other walks in life I am mentioning the fact that I am using iOS apps especially as iOS apps
are affordable, very good quality and now they are becoming very stable enough to challenge the desktop giants.

Gravitas · October 13

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Oh dude, you paid for it out of your own pocket.
I didn't realise.
Thank you once again.

Gravitas · October 13

@Nuuksio said:

@Gravitas said:

@Nuuksio said:
There was another question about whether regularly complaining about not being paid as much as you want, not having as big an audience as you want, not getting the engagement you want, and life not being what you want, was relevant and helpful or Off-putting.

In every other sphere the answer is work harder, be better. Difficult if they're at maximum capacity, as it sounds like they are, or can't change, evolve, adapt. They'll be stuck where they are, like now.

I feel sorry for Gav and Doug but are the signs not there? They need to transform. Even Gav's call for support on his YouTube Community pages have got next to no responses on YouTube. It's very sad to see when this happens.

This is why this discussion started in the first place.
The change that Gav made was to move away from youtube and focus on his patreon
hence why there's even less traffic now on his YouTube though as he mentioned earlier
there was declining traffic anyway hence the move to patreon.
The OP of the now deleted thread was asking if it was lucrative or beneficial (from my understanding)
for dev's to give promo codes to iOS Tubers when the promo codes end up being behind a paywall.
Unfortunately for the OP though he expressed valid points,
he included that he was fed up both Gav and Doug's continuous "whining" in regards to their life situations
which many would take offence at including myself actually however that's a moot point at this stage.
Many people including myself will keep difficult situations very private,
both Doug and Gav bared their souls to the public and it was/is a very brave thing for them to do.

Agreed, they needed to transform and they both did.
They moved across to Patreon hopefully the move across to Patreon is being good to them.

Oh, I interpreted the original point being the validity and benefit to the developer of putting giveaways, from a developer, behind the paywall, when the public video would be made anyway and the paywall audience is very small.

Good point.
There was this also.

I don’t see the move to Patreon as transformational in anyway, as it hasn’t changed the approach taken or improved the quality of the main content. As I understand it, aside from the odd Patreon-exclusive spoken video, and a couple of pad layouts it’s mainly just giving away more app codes behind the paywall, 20+ according to Gavin’s Community post for last month.

The move was transformational for Gav and Doug as in they now have regular Patreons
supporting their work which I would think generates more income for them than via YouTube.

null79 · October 13

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Relax, it was just an illustration of the potential pitfalls of handling codes donated by developers. Anyway, I was Just going off your own words in this forum, unless the statement below wasn’t true?

@seonnthaproducer said: To celebrate, I've teamed up with IK Multimedia (well, more like I asked them for a few Mixbox codes!) and designed some custom presets to share with you all.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/62529/ik-multimedia-free-mixbox-presets-from-seonn-in-celebration-of-our-5-year-ios-journey

Weren’t there 3 MixBox winners announced in your promo? Presuming you use your 2020 purchase there are 4 copies of MixBox in total (yours plus 3 winners) but only two receipts? Something still doesn’t add up 🤔😏.

I didn’t enter the promo, I already have a copy of MixBox.

Gravitas · October 13

@null79 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Relax, it was just an illustration of the potential pitfalls of handling codes donated by developers. Anyway, I was Just going off you’re own words in this forum, unless the statement below wasn’t true?

@seonnthaproducer said: To celebrate, I've teamed up with IK Multimedia (well, more like I asked them for a few Mixbox codes!) and designed some custom presets to share with you all.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/62529/ik-multimedia-free-mixbox-presets-from-seonn-in-celebration-of-our-5-year-ios-journey

Weren’t there 3 MixBox winners announced in your promo? Presuming you use your 2020 purchase there are 4 copies of MixBox in total (yours plus 3 winners) but only two receipts? Something still doesn’t add up 🤔😏.

I didn’t enter the promo, I already have a copy of MixBox.

Can you take this to another thread please.
We're having a serious discussion here
and this looks like it could end up in a punch up
and we don't want this thread shut down.

Thanks.

null79 · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Relax, it was just an illustration of the potential pitfalls of handling codes donated by developers. Anyway, I was Just going off you’re own words in this forum, unless the statement below wasn’t true?

@seonnthaproducer said: To celebrate, I've teamed up with IK Multimedia (well, more like I asked them for a few Mixbox codes!) and designed some custom presets to share with you all.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/62529/ik-multimedia-free-mixbox-presets-from-seonn-in-celebration-of-our-5-year-ios-journey

Weren’t there 3 MixBox winners announced in your promo? Presuming you use your 2020 purchase there are 4 copies of MixBox in total (yours plus 3 winners) but only two receipts? Something still doesn’t add up 🤔😏.

I didn’t enter the promo, I already have a copy of MixBox.

Can you take this to another thread please.
We're having a serious discussion here
and this looks like it could end up in a punch up
and we don't want this thread shut down.

Thanks.

Sorry, I thought it was pertinent to the point about YouTubers and promo codes given away by developers. Nothing more to say by me on this.

Gravitas · October 13

@null79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Relax, it was just an illustration of the potential pitfalls of handling codes donated by developers. Anyway, I was Just going off you’re own words in this forum, unless the statement below wasn’t true?

@seonnthaproducer said: To celebrate, I've teamed up with IK Multimedia (well, more like I asked them for a few Mixbox codes!) and designed some custom presets to share with you all.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/62529/ik-multimedia-free-mixbox-presets-from-seonn-in-celebration-of-our-5-year-ios-journey

Weren’t there 3 MixBox winners announced in your promo? Presuming you use your 2020 purchase there are 4 copies of MixBox in total (yours plus 3 winners) but only two receipts? Something still doesn’t add up 🤔😏.

I didn’t enter the promo, I already have a copy of MixBox.

Can you take this to another thread please.
We're having a serious discussion here
and this looks like it could end up in a punch up
and we don't want this thread shut down.

Thanks.

Sorry, I thought it was pertinent to the point about YouTubers and promo codes given away by developers. Nothing more to say, by me on this.

We've moved on from this.

Let everyone judge for themselves.

Thanks.

Fruitbat1919 · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Isn't this the way of all markets though? As a market grows, More come to hock their wares to that market trying to gain a foothold. As more come, the market gets saturated and some fall by the wayside. In most markets 'Labour of love' is not enough to succeed. Some will survive through great advertising, or product placement or just dumb luck.....some won't survive whatever they bring to the party.

Markets are like living breathing creatures - they have lifespans and sometimes are affected by not only their own actions, but also things out of their control. That's why I buy multiples of certain apps over time - I know some will fail and become useless code in the void.

Even PC music making devs and you tubers live and die at the sometimes cruel wim of market forces and other such things - at least on the grand scale of things, music making apps are low on the hierarchy of needs!

Agreed and I was stating the obvious.
What I'm lookng at is what needs to change
to keep this small niche market going or if anything needs changing at all
because the dev's and iOS tubers are not making enough money
and without them the market will simply stall.

Will it though? As some fall by the wayside, will it not open up market share for some others letting them survive? Maybe the few large company homogeneous market with bland product is just the final destination (yes, a play on the name of the film) of all markets as the larger whole (civilisations) grows then falls!? The sine waves goodbye.

That was mentioned earlier, large bland homogenous companies with crap tech support (I added that end bit there).
True when businesses fall by the wayside it does create gaps for other companies to step in.
Sometimes it does need a bland homogenous company to even show interest in a market for the market to say,
"well things need to change around here, we need to survive, we don't want bland" and that generates reviving interest.

Yes, it's a natural life cycle.

Very true.

The main reason why I added "the future of iOS" is because
I've noticed the market change from being on the platform for a number of years now.
I have a horse in this race because I am now selling some of my templates, designs and
very soon audio loops from the hardware that I have purchased over the past couple of years.
I've provided free tech support for those who have needed it which I shall continue to do
however I would like a return on the time and effort I've put into said designs so
I've opened up a Ko-fi shop which could succeed or fail which is a risk that I need to take.
My focus isnt entirely on the iOS market because I have fingers in other pies so to speak.
I'm being called back to being a full time musician, composer, producer
and also potentially managment and iOS apps are superb for the working creative so
in my other walks in life I am mentioning the fact that I am using iOS apps especially as iOS apps
are affordable, very good quality and now they are becoming very stable enough to challenge the desktop giants.

I admire people who try. I personally decided not to with iOS, because of my personal situation, my time always seemed more important to me than the money my calculations seemed to suggest I could make putting my personal skills to work on iOS product. Everyone has there own journey to travel and it's always been fun sharing some time with others on theirs

Gravitas · October 13

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Isn't this the way of all markets though? As a market grows, More come to hock their wares to that market trying to gain a foothold. As more come, the market gets saturated and some fall by the wayside. In most markets 'Labour of love' is not enough to succeed. Some will survive through great advertising, or product placement or just dumb luck.....some won't survive whatever they bring to the party.

Markets are like living breathing creatures - they have lifespans and sometimes are affected by not only their own actions, but also things out of their control. That's why I buy multiples of certain apps over time - I know some will fail and become useless code in the void.

Even PC music making devs and you tubers live and die at the sometimes cruel wim of market forces and other such things - at least on the grand scale of things, music making apps are low on the hierarchy of needs!

Agreed and I was stating the obvious.
What I'm lookng at is what needs to change
to keep this small niche market going or if anything needs changing at all
because the dev's and iOS tubers are not making enough money
and without them the market will simply stall.

Will it though? As some fall by the wayside, will it not open up market share for some others letting them survive? Maybe the few large company homogeneous market with bland product is just the final destination (yes, a play on the name of the film) of all markets as the larger whole (civilisations) grows then falls!? The sine waves goodbye.

That was mentioned earlier, large bland homogenous companies with crap tech support (I added that end bit there).
True when businesses fall by the wayside it does create gaps for other companies to step in.
Sometimes it does need a bland homogenous company to even show interest in a market for the market to say,
"well things need to change around here, we need to survive, we don't want bland" and that generates reviving interest.

Yes, it's a natural life cycle.

Very true.

The main reason why I added "the future of iOS" is because
I've noticed the market change from being on the platform for a number of years now.
I have a horse in this race because I am now selling some of my templates, designs and
very soon audio loops from the hardware that I have purchased over the past couple of years.
I've provided free tech support for those who have needed it which I shall continue to do
however I would like a return on the time and effort I've put into said designs so
I've opened up a Ko-fi shop which could succeed or fail which is a risk that I need to take.
My focus isnt entirely on the iOS market because I have fingers in other pies so to speak.
I'm being called back to being a full time musician, composer, producer
and also potentially managment and iOS apps are superb for the working creative so
in my other walks in life I am mentioning the fact that I am using iOS apps especially as iOS apps
are affordable, very good quality and now they are becoming very stable enough to challenge the desktop giants.

I admire people who try. I personally decided not to with iOS, because of my personal situation, my time always seemed more important to me than the money my calculations seemed to suggest I could make putting my personal skills to work on iOS product. Everyone has there own journey to travel and it's always been fun sharing some time with others on theirs

I already knew I wasn't going to be earning a living on this platform
however I like a challenge and a return on some of the services
I have been providing over the years would be nice,
a few supporters, the occasional purchase of a design
that I've spent weeks or even months on and
I've got loads of those floating around now as I'm rather prolific
and I'm going to be doing more so for me to be able to continue
using iOS apps and enjoying the community
I'm engaging even more in my own way.

The more of us who support each other the better I reckon.

Another thing.
As most will know I am a drambonaut.
I've been deep in dRambo since the day it was released
and designing in dRambo is akin to low level programming.
Subsequently I have learnt that what the dev's do as coders and
the amount of tech support that they provide there is no wonder
why they don't do videos and need iOS Tubers to do giveaways.
Many of the iOS dev's are one person companies.
Has anyone (non coders) here tried learning how to code?
The more we provide alternative ways for the dev's, iOS tubers
and the users to survive then the better.

Fruitbat1919 · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@Gravitas said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Isn't this the way of all markets though? As a market grows, More come to hock their wares to that market trying to gain a foothold. As more come, the market gets saturated and some fall by the wayside. In most markets 'Labour of love' is not enough to succeed. Some will survive through great advertising, or product placement or just dumb luck.....some won't survive whatever they bring to the party.

Markets are like living breathing creatures - they have lifespans and sometimes are affected by not only their own actions, but also things out of their control. That's why I buy multiples of certain apps over time - I know some will fail and become useless code in the void.

Even PC music making devs and you tubers live and die at the sometimes cruel wim of market forces and other such things - at least on the grand scale of things, music making apps are low on the hierarchy of needs!

Agreed and I was stating the obvious.
What I'm lookng at is what needs to change
to keep this small niche market going or if anything needs changing at all
because the dev's and iOS tubers are not making enough money
and without them the market will simply stall.

Will it though? As some fall by the wayside, will it not open up market share for some others letting them survive? Maybe the few large company homogeneous market with bland product is just the final destination (yes, a play on the name of the film) of all markets as the larger whole (civilisations) grows then falls!? The sine waves goodbye.

That was mentioned earlier, large bland homogenous companies with crap tech support (I added that end bit there).
True when businesses fall by the wayside it does create gaps for other companies to step in.
Sometimes it does need a bland homogenous company to even show interest in a market for the market to say,
"well things need to change around here, we need to survive, we don't want bland" and that generates reviving interest.

Yes, it's a natural life cycle.

Very true.

The main reason why I added "the future of iOS" is because
I've noticed the market change from being on the platform for a number of years now.
I have a horse in this race because I am now selling some of my templates, designs and
very soon audio loops from the hardware that I have purchased over the past couple of years.
I've provided free tech support for those who have needed it which I shall continue to do
however I would like a return on the time and effort I've put into said designs so
I've opened up a Ko-fi shop which could succeed or fail which is a risk that I need to take.
My focus isnt entirely on the iOS market because I have fingers in other pies so to speak.
I'm being called back to being a full time musician, composer, producer
and also potentially managment and iOS apps are superb for the working creative so
in my other walks in life I am mentioning the fact that I am using iOS apps especially as iOS apps
are affordable, very good quality and now they are becoming very stable enough to challenge the desktop giants.

I admire people who try. I personally decided not to with iOS, because of my personal situation, my time always seemed more important to me than the money my calculations seemed to suggest I could make putting my personal skills to work on iOS product. Everyone has there own journey to travel and it's always been fun sharing some time with others on theirs

I already knew I wasn't going to be earning a living on this platform
however I like a challenge and a return on some of the services
I have been providing over the years would be nice,
a few supporters, the occasional purchase of a design
that I've spent weeks or even months on and
I've got loads of those floating around now as I'm rather prolific
and I'm going to be doing more so for me to be able to continue
using iOS apps and enjoying the community
I'm engaging even more in my own way.

The more of us who support each other the better I reckon.

Another thing.
As most will know I am a drambonaut.
I've been deep in dRambo since the day it was released
and designing in dRambo is akin to low level programming.
Subsequently I have learnt that what the dev's do as coders and
the amount of tech support that they provide there is no wonder
why they don't do videos and need iOS Tubers to do giveaways.
Many of the iOS dev's are one person companies.
Has anyone (non coders) here tried learning how to code?
The more we provide alternative ways for the dev's, iOS tubers
and the users to survive then the better.

Agree it is good that we try our best to support others. I'm always hopeful for the success of anyone in the iOS music making market, as it makes my hobby more enjoyable.

seonnthaproducer · October 13

@gusgranite said:

@mojozart said:
I don't understand why this thread was introduced as combining YouTube & iOS. They seem like two different things. Or is the topic only about the cross-section?

That's actually a really good point. They are two separate discussions.

@null79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Talking of @IK_Multimedia and code giveaways. Didn't someone recently give away a MixBox promo code to their friend on here, that was supplied by a IK Multimedia? Didn't it then turnout they had needed their friend to help them with an ongoing problem they still have with distributing multiple MixBox presets? Pure innocent coincidence I'm sure, but I think more care may be needed when it comes to promo codes distribution. I wonder how the contact at IK Multimedia feels about this, if they even know, and if they would ever give them codes again?

Hey man, I checked the entries, and you weren’t even on the list. I did the giveaway on Facebook as well, and no one responded.
I made a free preset pack that everyone could use.

I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

If I wanted to hide anything, I would have claimed I used one for myself, and said there were only 2 codes.

Have you ever tried purchasing codes outside your country and use as a giveaway? It’s a logistical nightmare because the code only works for a specific country.

Pure innocent coincidence, sure, but be sure to bring receipts when stating a case. Here’s mine…

Now, continue…

Relax, it was just an illustration of the potential pitfalls of handling codes donated by developers. Anyway, I was Just going off you’re own words in this forum, unless the statement below wasn’t true?

@seonnthaproducer said: To celebrate, I've teamed up with IK Multimedia (well, more like I asked them for a few Mixbox codes!) and designed some custom presets to share with you all.

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/62529/ik-multimedia-free-mixbox-presets-from-seonn-in-celebration-of-our-5-year-ios-journey

Weren’t there 3 MixBox winners announced in your promo? Presuming you use your 2020 purchase there are 4 copies of MixBox in total (yours plus 3 winners) but only two receipts? Something still doesn’t add up 🤔😏.

I didn’t enter the promo, I already have a copy of MixBox.

Can you take this to another thread please.
We're having a serious discussion here
and this looks like it could end up in a punch up
and we don't want this thread shut down.

Thanks.

Sorry, I thought it was pertinent to the point about YouTubers and promo codes given away by developers. Nothing more to say by me on this.

IK gave 3 codes. I already bought Mixbus.

In the same thread you linked, I posted

Congratulations to the Mixbox winners

@SamSamSam
@Gravitas
@mrufino1

Those 3 people won the code. I bought my copy of Mixbus in 2020 and I’ve used it since then.

Why did this have to be a discussion topic here? There’s literally a thread about the code, and I’ve been visible with the winners. Reach out to confirm if they got the codes.

Yeesh, I haven’t seen any other iOS YouTuber getting this much scrutiny about an app code. And I have to deal with things like this every time I make a post.

Gravitas · October 13

@seonnthaproducer said:

Why did this have to be a discussion topic here?

Hence my suggestion to take this part of the discussion to another thread.

Yeesh, I haven’t seen any other iOS YouTuber getting this much scrutiny about an app code.

Agreed.

And I have to deal with things like this every time I make a post.

I've seen this much ever since you've been on the platform.
I think at one point they lambasted you enough that you actually closed down your 1st account
because forum members were complaining about your "clickbaiting" titles and now this.

You had three codes, you gave them away, I was the recipient for one and two others received them also and that's that.
What has been made clear now is that you actually bought the codes and IK Multimedia didn't give them to you
though the quote posted earlier clearly shows that you said that IK Multimedia gave them to you.

I think that if this needs to be discussed further then another thread should be opened up.

Gravitas · October 13

@Fruitbat1919 said:

Agree it is good that we try our best to support others.

I'm always hopeful for the success of anyone in the iOS music making market, as it makes my hobby more enjoyable.

It goes the other way as well.
I actually like the fact that users have iOS music making as a hobby because it keeps the market a float.
Dev's etc, etc
Professional guitarists cannot buy every guitar in the world.
Racing drivers cannot buy every day to day car in the world.
We need each other.
Simple.

null79 · October 13

Because you said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

Then you randomly posted pictures of two receipts for two copies of MixBox. But, there were four copies of MixBox in total. So it begs the question, where did the other two copies of MixBox come from, if not @IK_Multimedia?

As @Gravitas asked, I’m was happy to leave it where it was, with a question mark, unresolved. I only responded as you asked and this thread specifically had a point about YouTubers and the use of giveaway codes. I didn’t realise I was unearthing something else.

seonnthaproducer · October 13

@null79 said:
Because you said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

Then you randomly posted pictures of two receipts for two copies of MixBox. But, there were four copies of MixBox in total. So it begs the question, where did the other two copies of MixBox come from, if not @IK_Multimedia?

As @Gravitas asked, I’m was happy to leave it where it was, with a question mark, unresolved. I only responded as you asked and this thread specifically had a point about YouTubers and the use of giveaway codes. I didn’t realise I was unearthing something else.

No, I posted the same receipt. If you do a purchase, your private information such as your address is included. I’d rather not disclose that information.

And yes, you’re definitely unearthing something here. It’s called being a troll who can’t even read a thread he linked in the very discussion.

Yep, I went there. Read the thread you posted. It literally has all the information. I even gave away 2 Apple gift cards out of my own pocket because Gravitas won the code, and I wanted to be objectively fair.

So, yeah, you’ve caught my attention at this point. Let’s move this discussion to the proper thread. Gravitas has a valid topic that needs to be properly discussed. But even I don’t always see eye to eye with him. And I shared my perspective earlier.

Gravitas · October 13

@seonnthaproducer and @null79

Can we take deep breaths here.
Nothing nefarious is going on really.

It's not worth the effort of having a great big massive argument
and as stated earlier open up another thread or have the discussion
in private and come to some sort of agreement or understanding.

@null79

I'll vouch for @seonnthaproducer
I have reason to.
He jumped on a plane and though his trip was family related
he took the timeout to come to my front door.
He's a nice guy.

@seonnthaproducer

I know you mean well and you're brilliant at creating engaging titles
some people don't like it and you can't please everyone.
Take a deep breath, have a chat with @null79 and the both of you please settle it peacefully.

Thank you both for your attention.

null79 · October 13

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Because you said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

Then you randomly posted pictures of two receipts for two copies of MixBox. But, there were four copies of MixBox in total. So it begs the question, where did the other two copies of MixBox come from, if not @IK_Multimedia?

As @Gravitas asked, I’m was happy to leave it where it was, with a question mark, unresolved. I only responded as you asked and this thread specifically had a point about YouTubers and the use of giveaway codes. I didn’t realise I was unearthing something else.

No, I posted the same receipt. If you do a purchase, your private information such as your address is included. I’d rather not disclose that information.

And yes, you’re definitely unearthing something here. It’s called being a troll who can’t even read a thread he linked in the very discussion.

Yep, I went there. Read the thread you posted. It literally has all the information. I even gave away 2 Apple gift cards out of my own pocket because Gravitas won the code, and I wanted to be objectively fair.

So, yeah, you’ve caught my attention at this point. Let’s move this discussion to the proper thread. Gravitas has a valid topic that needs to be properly discussed. But even I don’t always see eye to eye with him. And I shared my perspective earlier.

Oh I see, it was one receipt, two different portions of the same receipt, for your original copy of MixBox, sorry about that. I can see that now.

You know you could easily clear this thing up by clarifying where the codes for the 3 other copies came from. You said @IK_Multimedia then said you bought them? Who knows anymore.

Don’t call me names, it breaches the forum rules.

@Gravitas sorry dude, but why are you trying to distance yourself from this now? Demanding it goes in a separate thread? App giveaways were in the OP and in your own intro here.

null79 · October 13

This small part of the conversation doesn’t make this thread any less serious or valid. In fact it’s the opposite.

seonnthaproducer · October 13

.> @null79 said:

@seonnthaproducer said:

@null79 said:
Because you said:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I paid for Mixbus out of my own pocket 2 years ago. I didn’t need to reach out to IK requesting for codes on the community.

Then you randomly posted pictures of two receipts for two copies of MixBox. But, there were four copies of MixBox in total. So it begs the question, where did the other two copies of MixBox come from, if not @IK_Multimedia?

As @Gravitas asked, I’m was happy to leave it where it was, with a question mark, unresolved. I only responded as you asked and this thread specifically had a point about YouTubers and the use of giveaway codes. I didn’t realise I was unearthing something else.

No, I posted the same receipt. If you do a purchase, your private information such as your address is included. I’d rather not disclose that information.

And yes, you’re definitely unearthing something here. It’s called being a troll who can’t even read a thread he linked in the very discussion.

Yep, I went there. Read the thread you posted. It literally has all the information. I even gave away 2 Apple gift cards out of my own pocket because Gravitas won the code, and I wanted to be objectively fair.

So, yeah, you’ve caught my attention at this point. Let’s move this discussion to the proper thread. Gravitas has a valid topic that needs to be properly discussed. But even I don’t always see eye to eye with him. And I shared my perspective earlier.

Oh I see, it was one receipt, two different portions of the same receipt, for your original copy of MixBox, sorry about that. I can see that now.

You know you could easily clear this thing up by clarifying where the codes for the 3 other copies came from. You said @IK_Multimedia then said you bought them? Who knows anymore.

Don’t call me names, it breaches the forum rules.

@Gravitas sorry dude, but why are you trying to distance yourself from this now? Demanding it goes in a separate thread? App giveaways were in the OP and in your own intro here.

Because Gravitas has a completely different topic, and he’s trying to be a mediator.

We’re exchanging words at the moment. I’d rather it be moved to my original thread. Gravitas needs valuable perspective on his topic, and he can read mine for the follow up.

Do you have a reading problem? I’ll say it as many times as you want.

I bought a code for myself in 2020 ( that’s the correct date from the receipt).
I contacted IK Multimedia. They gave 3 codes.
We had 3 winners. Gravitas, SamSamSam, and MrRufinno won the codes.
I gave extra Apple gift cards which I paid out of my own pocket
Only one was redeemed. The other, we have a winner but I need to find a way to send the prize since they’re in a different country.

Now, continue this topic on my thread. Let’s resolve it once and for all. I’ve already cc’d you on that thread.

Gravitas · October 13

@null79 said:

@Gravitas sorry dude, but why are you trying to distance yourself from this now?

Please re-read.

We have moved on from the original topic.

That happens in discussions otherwise it's pointless having a discussion.

Demanding it goes in a separate thread?

I didn't demand, I requested nicely I think.

App giveaways were in the OP and in your own intro here.

Note that the original thread that started this was deleted, I know I'm repeating myself.
Note that the title I placed this under includes "the future of the iOS platform"
which would suggest that the discussion isn't only going to be about app giveaways.
The discussion you're having with @seonnthaproducer should be in another thread.

null79 · October 13

Sorry I’ve no interest in concluding this in another thread or privately, out of public forum view. It’s very easily cleared up with the truth and completely relevant to the thread topic. I don’t think I have anything else to say. It’s clear what needs to happen.

Gravitas · October 13

@null79 said:

Another thread isn't out of public view.
Messages in private are.

It’s clear what needs to happen

And what should that be?

Should both @seonnthaproducer and I be banned from the forum?
Should this thread be deleted?
Should we be forceably kicked off the iOS platform?

seonnthaproducer · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

Another thread isn't out of public view.
Messages in private are.

It’s clear what needs to happen

And what should that be?

Should both @seonnthaproducer and I be banned from the forum?
Should this thread be deleted?
Should we be forceably kicked off the iOS platform?

Nah, not needed. If he wishes to continue the conversation, he knows where to talk.

Now, moving on…

What other ways would you suggest creatives to promote the iOS platform? I haven’t found a formula that works on apps like TikTok. 60 seconds isn’t really a lot of time for a tutorial. Or is it?🤔

null79 · October 13

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

Another thread isn't out of public view.
Messages in private are.

It’s clear what needs to happen

And what should that be?

Should both @seonnthaproducer and I be banned from the forum?
Should this thread be deleted?
Should we be forceably kicked off the iOS platform?

Wow. No. Just wanted the truth after different things were said. Even you got the impression he paid for your MixBox copy. Now, he’s saying he didn’t and that:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I contacted IK Multimedia. They gave 3 codes.

Just weird.

Like you said earlier, let’s let everybody else be the judge. I’m out.

Gravitas · October 13

@null79 said:

@Gravitas said:

@null79 said:

Another thread isn't out of public view.
Messages in private are.

It’s clear what needs to happen

And what should that be?

Should both @seonnthaproducer and I be banned from the forum?
Should this thread be deleted?
Should we be forceably kicked off the iOS platform?

Wow. No. Just wanted the truth after different things were said. Even you got the impression he paid for your MixBox copy. Now, he’s saying he didn’t and that:

@seonnthaproducer said:
I contacted IK Multimedia. They gave 3 codes.

Just weird.

Like you said earlier, let’s let everybody else be the judge. I’m out.

I wrote what I wrote because you clearly did state
"It's clear what needs to happen" that suggests an action of some sort.

Anyways moving on.

Gravitas · October 13

@seonnthaproducer

What other ways would you suggest creatives to promote the iOS platform?

Good question.

I have suggestions but I'm not ready yet to start reeling them out as yet.

I haven’t found a formula that works on apps like TikTok. 60 seconds isn’t really a lot of time for a tutorial. Or is it?🤔

A tutorial in 60secs?

I always recommend starting with reading the manual.
There's my 60 sec tutorial

Pxlhg · October 13

Well, it has been some fair points from both camps but for me, what it all boils down to is: I want quality content like if my purpose of choosing one creator channel to learn from and it doesn't deliver, I leave. If it does I try to support with the means that I have, which aren't plenty.

I really don't care what anybody makes, what it cost, how much labor, the fees etc etc, behind it all. Nor do I do that when I go to the movies or shop for food, get the car fixed or what have you. Imagine the repair man going off how bad he's pay is and you should support him, you run. A dedicated rant movie which I can choose to watch would be better if so.
For me it's an available service pretty much like the ones just mentioned, I think about how it's served.

I think Jakob Haq is an exemplary channel when it comes to presentation and subject matters, professionalism and a lot of humour. I know he's a bit special doing so many things so good himself, that is rare and impressive. I also know he is not for everyone, which he have learned the hard way too, by coming here (in case anyone wonders why he doesn't anymore).

He seemed to struggle a lot some year or two back but then things have turned and he publishes about one video a month. Now, I have no clue what changed and even if it has anything to do with YT at all. It is, however things lay, a very good channel.

Most of the tubers we have here are great personalities and I appreciate the interaction here but if I'm totally honest, I just don't click with most of them and that just the way it is - in real life, and in here.

I hope I didn't step on any toes (or the whole fucking foot) but if I did, I'm sorry but this is just how I feel.

Loopy Pro: Create music, your way.

iOS Youtubers and the iOS platform

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