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  • @Nuuksio said:
    Wasn't there something about the value proposition to developers being a video?

    Yup.
    Replacing "being" with "making" if I'm not mistaken.

    Developers giveaway codes to YouTubers in order to promote their product in a video. Some YouTubers have taken to giving away those codes to a very small portion of people behind paywalls, because, in turn, it incentivises people to subscribe to those paywalls. As those people believe they stand a greater chance of winning a free app as the competition is much less.

    Which will possibly generate more income for content creators at the cost of less YT viewers winning said apps.

    If I remember correctly the original question raised was how does that benefit the developer if the video was going to be made anyway? The video is outside the paywall but the giveaway behind it. More people would probably watch if the giveaway was outside the paywall too. The incentive to keep watching is known to have gone now. For some. Not me, I dont care. And, of course this isn't what the YouTuber wants. I think Gav said he clears it with the developers on all his promos.

    True the original question did raise this point.
    Agreed the incentive to keep watching has now gone and like yourself there are many who don't care either way.

    Not sure how any of this benefits the future of the iOS platform sorry.

    It assists current content creators in knowing what they are facing
    and if they should continue as is or change their approach and
    for future iOS content creators whether they should invest in
    the equipment, time, energy and possible harassment
    from entitled viewers for creating said content, if they should also
    have such things as app giveaways behind a paywall or not.
    It also assists the dev's in how they share their free promo codes and
    if sharing their promo codes to content creators behind a paywall is also worth it.
    No need to be sorry.
    This all assists.

  • @MadeofWax said:

    @Gravitas said:

    You've certainly had more viewers than myself.
    Congratulations. :)
    and continue doing what you enjoy for sure.

    I attribute that to my musical guests and the current interest / controversy in AI. Hopefully it will bring some well deserved attention to some of the talented people I work with. Anything else is a bonus.

    Awesome.

  • Why did the original thread get deleted?

    While the attitude of the OP in that thread might have seemed combative, I didn’t see anything in the thread that seemed banworthy or necessitated deletion?

    Did I miss some dramatic turn?

  • @espiegel123 said:
    Why did the original thread get deleted?

    No idea.
    Poof and it was gone.

    While the attitude of the OP in that thread might have seemed combative, I didn’t see anything in the thread that seemed banworthy or necessitated deletion?

    Agreed and the OP of the original thread was actually
    starting to mellow out after initially venting their spleen so to speak.
    The discussion was very pertinent hence why I've continued the discussion here.

    Did I miss some dramatic turn?

    Again no idea and if so I missed it myself also.

  • Yes, I too was surprised by the thread deletion. I thought it must have got really abusive as they are normally just closed.

  • Raises an interesting point. Why would anyone spend any time communicating in threads on here that could get completely deleted at any moment or an account ban, by biased, overzealous moderators or owners?

  • @01XMO said:
    Raises an interesting point. Why would anyone spend any time communicating in threads on here that could get completely deleted at any moment or an account ban, by biased, overzealous moderators or owners?

    It's happened before and most probably will happen again.

  • If the mod that made the decision to delete that thread is reading: please be less inclined to delete a thread rather than close it if you feel it is getting out of hand.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    If the mod that made the decision to delete that thread is reading: please be less inclined to delete a thread rather than close it if you feel it is getting out of hand.

    Agreed.

    It serves as examples for everyone else stating the obvious and
    the points raised were valid though the original OP was combative in presenting them.

  • @Tarekith said:
    If anyone is curious about how much (little) you can make on YouTube, I've had my channel for over 16 years, I currently have 6,000 followers, 130 videos posted, and over 1.2 million views. I no longer have monetization turned on for my channel, but when I did I earned a grand TOTAL of about $300 during that time period.

    Like I said, there's not much money to be made unless you're getting 100k views a video. It certainly doesn't come close to making minimum wage in the US for the same amount of work.

    The real money is in affiliate links and sponsored content.

    Yep. I just watched a video which said the exact same thing.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Tarekith said:
    If anyone is curious about how much (little) you can make on YouTube, I've had my channel for over 16 years, I currently have 6,000 followers, 130 videos posted, and over 1.2 million views. I no longer have monetization turned on for my channel, but when I did I earned a grand TOTAL of about $300 during that time period.

    Like I said, there's not much money to be made unless you're getting 100k views a video. It certainly doesn't come close to making minimum wage in the US for the same amount of work.

    The real money is in affiliate links and sponsored content.

    Yep. I just watched a video which said the exact same thing.

    @NeuM can you provide the link to the video you've just watched please? Thanks.

  • I assume the previous thread just got deleted because of subject matter. Was more surprised to see another start.

  • @AudioGus said:
    I assume the previous thread just got deleted because of subject matter. Was more surprised to see another start.

    Who knows maybe this one will get closed or banned as well.
    Regardless from my perspective I think this conversation is valid in regards to the iOS platform.

  • Thanks @Gravitas I appreciate you moving this discussion to a dedicated thread. Cheers mate.

  • @AudioGus said:
    I assume the previous thread just got deleted because of subject matter. Was more surprised to see another start.

    The subject matter didn't seem out of line to me.

  • @Poppadocrock said:
    Thanks @Gravitas I appreciate you moving this discussion to a dedicated thread. Cheers mate.

    No worries.
    It was the obvious thing to do and someone had to do it just for sanity's sake. :)

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I assume the previous thread just got deleted because of subject matter. Was more surprised to see another start.

    The subject matter didn't seem out of line to me.

    Agreed.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I assume the previous thread just got deleted because of subject matter. Was more surprised to see another start.

    The subject matter didn't seem out of line to me.

    Me neither.

  • @gusgranite said:
    There’s just not a lot of money in it yet is there? So it’s either ‘invest and position yourself as an influencer in the space and gamble it’s going to blow up and become a viable business’ or ‘treat it like a labour of love side-project and just enjoy’.

    💯

  • edited October 2024

    I missed the last couple of responses of the thread & was tagged in one of them. There’s a part of my brain that over thinks when that happens, so it’s mildly annoying. But I didn’t see anything particularly bad. I did have a feeling of been here before, seen this before, know how it all plays out…maybe the mod pulled it before it got to that point. But if so I’d have pulled it earlier, like some have said it looked like it was mellowing.

  • @gusgranite said:

    There’s just not a lot of money in it yet is there? So it’s either ‘invest and position yourself as an influencer in the space and gamble it’s going to blow up and become a viable business’ or ‘treat it like a labour of love side-project and just enjoy’.

    Pretty much. Third option is it can be used as experience for future employment opportunities. media students, charity workers, advertisement agencies etc. A clear record that demonstrates a body of work either directly related or indirectly but with transferable relevant skills.

    Just a thought that may or not be relevant to some people.

  • Oh and just to be totally transparent. I’m not sure I would have entered the twitter comp but for the thread. Which is important, cos I won 🏆 🤣

  • edited October 2024

    @squeals said:

    @gusgranite said:

    There’s just not a lot of money in it yet is there? So it’s either ‘invest and position yourself as an influencer in the space and gamble it’s going to blow up and become a viable business’ or ‘treat it like a labour of love side-project and just enjoy’.

    Pretty much. Third option is it can be used as experience for future employment opportunities. media students, charity workers, advertisement agencies etc. A clear record that demonstrates a body of work either directly related or indirectly but with transferable relevant skills.

    This is what I've also been using my YT for in my other worlds.
    During the two years that didn't happen I had to do something
    and the iOS platform and dRambo was it.
    I was here already and so I went in deep and learnt a whole bunch of new stuff.
    Coming out of the two years that didn't happen
    I found that it was useful for my fellow Artists
    that I normally work with to see what I had been up to.

    Just a thought that may or not be relevant to some people.

    It's a good suggestion.

  • @squeals said:
    Oh and just to be totally transparent. I’m not sure I would have entered the twitter comp but for the thread. Which is important, cos I won 🏆 🤣

    Awesome.

    Well done.

  • @Gravitas said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Tarekith said:
    If anyone is curious about how much (little) you can make on YouTube, I've had my channel for over 16 years, I currently have 6,000 followers, 130 videos posted, and over 1.2 million views. I no longer have monetization turned on for my channel, but when I did I earned a grand TOTAL of about $300 during that time period.

    Like I said, there's not much money to be made unless you're getting 100k views a video. It certainly doesn't come close to making minimum wage in the US for the same amount of work.

    The real money is in affiliate links and sponsored content.

    Yep. I just watched a video which said the exact same thing.

    @NeuM can you provide the link to the video you've just watched please? Thanks.

    Keep in mind, her video is pretty light on details because she's trying to get you to sign up for a paid service, but she does echo the affiliate comment.

  • edited October 2024

    Deleting the thread was the right move.

    By deleting threads the offenders will realise that there is no point coming back under a different name to cause trouble by creating a new thread and continuing with their rants.

    The goal is not to allow people to create bad threads and then immortalise them by closing them.

    The goal is to stop people creating bad threads in the first place.

    Mods did the right thing.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Tarekith said:
    If anyone is curious about how much (little) you can make on YouTube, I've had my channel for over 16 years, I currently have 6,000 followers, 130 videos posted, and over 1.2 million views. I no longer have monetization turned on for my channel, but when I did I earned a grand TOTAL of about $300 during that time period.

    Like I said, there's not much money to be made unless you're getting 100k views a video. It certainly doesn't come close to making minimum wage in the US for the same amount of work.

    The real money is in affiliate links and sponsored content.

    Yep. I just watched a video which said the exact same thing.

    @NeuM can you provide the link to the video you've just watched please? Thanks.

    Keep in mind, her video is pretty light on details because she's trying to get you to sign up for a paid service, but she does echo the affiliate comment.

    Did you post up the link?

  • @Simon said:

    Mods did the right thing.

    Fair enough.
    Others including myself would've preferred
    if the thread had not been deleted however
    the mods at the end of the day have the right of it.

  • @Gravitas said:

    @Simon said:

    Mods did the right thing.

    Fair enough.
    Others including myself would've preferred
    if the thread had not been deleted however
    the mods at the end of the day have the right of it.

    Yeah - I don't think either view (to delete or not delete) is unreasonable. As you said, fair enough.

    I think the Mods have done a good job over the last year or so. There have been a lot less punch-ups than we used to have.

  • edited October 2024

    I actually didn't know of the original thread. I did see a tag but it pointed to a deleted thread.

    My experience as a small time Youtuber is this....it really isn't worth it. Not just from a financial perspective, but the amount of work you're putting in filming, editing, posting, and having to do a lot of admin work alone, with ZERO return makes it not worth.

    I'm not kidding. I'm over 2000 subs on my main channel. That took me 5 years, and a lot of self promotion on different platforms. And I’m still not monetized.

    Most of the trips I've made has been because of circumstances. Either work had an event in a nearby city, or a family member lived somewhat close to a meetup, or other.

    When I decided to not put any attention on YouTube in 2023, I made the most money I had ever made in my life working 3 jobs.

    But it wasn't fulfilling. So this year, I dialed it down, and used some of that money to build a smaller studio, and focus more on my relationships.

    And that has been an expensive venture. I lost money working with artists, even got scammed this September for almost $2000 (recovered some of it, thanks to Mastercard…still working with Apple on the rest of it)

    So, back to the topic. Video creation has never been a financially profitable venture. Understanding the business of it is why YouTubers in the past were financially successful. And there are different ways to make money…it’s just not as viable as it once was.

    For me, I’ve been more profitable taking on outside jobs. YouTube serves as a platform to share ideas I’ve learned along the way, and also share my experiences and journey. Like a storybook, telling stories at key moments in my life.

    So, focus less on the money when posting content. Know the reason why you have a channel in the first place.

    Because if it’s to make money, you’re better served finding a job, or working on contracts/gigs with others. YouTube is NOT a bank. It’s literally a platform designed to post videos by users, for users.

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