Jim Audio Groove Rider 2 - RELEASED

jwmmakerofmusic

@drewinnit said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

.Although GR-II only hosts AUv3 in send fx.

And instruments!

Ah yes! Instruments in parts.

craftycurate

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@craftycurate said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@Telstar5 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
That I'm unsure of. @wim will know most likely.

gonna quit while I'm ahead. I'm just starting to make sh*t up now. 😂

😂🤣🤣

But - @Telstar5, there is full tempo and multiple time signature track support in Cubasis now. Cubasis has GR-2 beat in that department.

Cubasis 3 is the ultimate production tool on iOS imho. Has pretty much everything a music creator could ever want (including stability), whether someone's a hobbyist or a professional. I could rave on about Cubasis, but this is not the thread for that.

Agreed except for possibly LP4.. One could make a case for that also. It’s really featured packed .

I'm being really thick here, but what is LP4?

LP4i = Logic Pro 4 iPad

Not to be confused with a 4-pole Low Pass filter

Which Logic has if I recall correctly. 😂

I'm a big fan of the LP4iLP4 myself

drewinnit

A pattern can only have 4 drum racks so plan wisely fellow Riders of the Groove

Edit: Seems to still let me add a Pure Acid drum rack though

cokomairena

@drewinnit said:
A pattern can only have 4 drum racks so plan wisely fellow Riders of the Groove

Edit: Seems to still let me add a Pure Acid drum rack though

I had no idea, it's enough tho lol

drewinnit

@cokomairena said:

@drewinnit said:
A pattern can only have 4 drum racks so plan wisely fellow Riders of the Groove

Edit: Seems to still let me add a Pure Acid drum rack though

I had no idea, it's enough tho lol

It is definitely enough

BUT i did think i could learn how to create soundfonts with the idea to dump useful percussion into a soundfont to get around the limit

jwmmakerofmusic

@craftycurate said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@craftycurate said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@Telstar5 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
That I'm unsure of. @wim will know most likely.

gonna quit while I'm ahead. I'm just starting to make sh*t up now. 😂

😂🤣🤣

But - @Telstar5, there is full tempo and multiple time signature track support in Cubasis now. Cubasis has GR-2 beat in that department.

Cubasis 3 is the ultimate production tool on iOS imho. Has pretty much everything a music creator could ever want (including stability), whether someone's a hobbyist or a professional. I could rave on about Cubasis, but this is not the thread for that.

Agreed except for possibly LP4.. One could make a case for that also. It’s really featured packed .

I'm being really thick here, but what is LP4?

LP4i = Logic Pro 4 iPad

Not to be confused with a 4-pole Low Pass filter

Which Logic has if I recall correctly. 😂

I'm a big fan of the LP4iLP4 myself

Hahaha! 😂

@drewinnit said:
A pattern can only have 4 drum racks so plan wisely fellow Riders of the Groove

Edit: Seems to still let me add a Pure Acid drum rack though

Yeah I'd think 64 drum slots should be plenty. Then again, in theory, one could simply use Koala Sampler as an AUv3 instrument to circumvent the limitation. 🤷‍♂️

wim

Does anyone know of a way to "print" the arp midi output to a clip?

jwmmakerofmusic

I finally had the chance to sit down and play with GR-II, and holy shit. Most everything is simple and straightforward. The only thing I might've had confusion about would've been how to mix one pattern (project) into the next, but luckily @thesoundtestroom already made a video about that which I've watched.

There's only one thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. How do I load the internal synth into the drum rack? I can do so by browsing and loading the Synth Drums rack, but I'd like to know how to do that from scratch. I know that first, I load a blank drum rack. But then, how do I switch it from a sample to the internal synth? Once I know how to do that, sky's the limit.

wim

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
There's only one thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. How do I load the internal synth into the drum rack? I can do so by browsing and loading the Synth Drums rack, but I'd like to know how to do that from scratch. I know that first, I load a blank drum rack. But then, how do I switch it from a sample to the internal synth? Once I know how to do that, sky's the limit.

Hit the EDIT button on the oscillator, then tap at the top of the window in the middle where it says "Sampler".
I never would have found that except with a lot of guess work.

jwmmakerofmusic

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
There's only one thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. How do I load the internal synth into the drum rack? I can do so by browsing and loading the Synth Drums rack, but I'd like to know how to do that from scratch. I know that first, I load a blank drum rack. But then, how do I switch it from a sample to the internal synth? Once I know how to do that, sky's the limit.

Hit the EDIT button on the oscillator, then tap at the top of the window in the middle where it says "Sampler".
I never would have found that except with a lot of guess work.

That clears it up. Glad you're here.

wim

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
There's only one thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. How do I load the internal synth into the drum rack? I can do so by browsing and loading the Synth Drums rack, but I'd like to know how to do that from scratch. I know that first, I load a blank drum rack. But then, how do I switch it from a sample to the internal synth? Once I know how to do that, sky's the limit.

Hit the EDIT button on the oscillator, then tap at the top of the window in the middle where it says "Sampler".
I never would have found that except with a lot of guess work.

That clears it up. Glad you're here.

I'm glad you asked. It led me to discover that you can not only add the synth, but also wave table and sound fonts. You could load some orchestral sound fonts, for instance, and have a whole orchestra on one part.

In theory, you could have (4x16) +(12x3) = 100 instruments in a single pattern. (Four drum racks with 16 instruments plus 12 tracks with 3 layers each).

jwmmakerofmusic

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@wim said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
There's only one thing I haven't figured out how to do yet. How do I load the internal synth into the drum rack? I can do so by browsing and loading the Synth Drums rack, but I'd like to know how to do that from scratch. I know that first, I load a blank drum rack. But then, how do I switch it from a sample to the internal synth? Once I know how to do that, sky's the limit.

Hit the EDIT button on the oscillator, then tap at the top of the window in the middle where it says "Sampler".
I never would have found that except with a lot of guess work.

That clears it up. Glad you're here.

I'm glad you asked. It led me to discover that you can not only add the synth, but also wave table and sound fonts. You could load some orchestral sound fonts, for instance, and have a whole orchestra on one part.

In theory, you could have (4x16) +(12x3) = 100 instruments in a single pattern. (Four drum racks with 16 instruments plus 12 tracks with 3 layers each).

Bloody sick! I love it mate.

drewinnit

After a few long sessions i am at peace with any wishes for changes. This is a wonderful tool that puts creativity front and centre. I love the focus on the essentials - getting envelope settings just right, nudging hits off the grid, etc

My desire for complex modulation goes against what GR2 is, and now that i’ve found my groove with the program i’m very pleased. I can always load an AUv3 instrument with a dozen LFOs if i want to.

I think resampling will be a big part of my workflow in GR2, i hope we can leave the sample record screen to tweak things during recordings in future releases.

The IFX are very characterful, they’re fun to play with and can transform a simple arrangement very quickly.

I’m still getting a few crashes, taking notes on what likely caused them and will report them to Mr. Audio.

I really couldn’t be happier with this, i had high hopes and they’ve been met.

ecamburn

@wim said:

@ecamburn said:
Is it possible to change the time signature? Can patterns be set to variable length, and if so is there a way to set that globally, or is it per pattern?

Time signature is in the Pattern settings.
What would be the use case for that as a global setting?

Maybe the confusion is over what a pattern is. Pattern in GR-2 is basically a song. Clips are what one might associate with the word "pattern" in other apps.

Yes that was a point of confusion. I assumed it was something like a clip. Thanks for all the answers all.

cokomairena

@drewinnit said:

@cokomairena said:

@drewinnit said:
A pattern can only have 4 drum racks so plan wisely fellow Riders of the Groove

Edit: Seems to still let me add a Pure Acid drum rack though

I had no idea, it's enough tho lol

It is definitely enough

BUT i did think i could learn how to create soundfonts with the idea to dump useful percussion into a soundfont to get around the limit

Yeah Iwant a sound font with a lot of riser and impact fx

cokomairena

If your auv3 crashes just delete the layer and undo to fix it

drewinnit

Here’s a quick and messy screen recording jam of some fun I had with GR2 this evening

soundtemple

@drewinnit Very nice!!!

jwmmakerofmusic

Okay, seriously, this app is sick! 😲

I mean LOOK AT THIS THING! Okay, so my quick-and-shitty remix of "Now It's Time" by Sash isn't the best example of what the app can do per se as I'm still learning the app and wanted to make a quick demo, right? The demo pattern I mixed into is far more professional sounding, so go off of that regarding what the app can do. 😂 But, the fact I can blend between patterns (projects) is just nothing short of amazing and inspiring!

The only downside is that you need to use AUM to record a live performance (or use a screen capture like seen above). (Then again, the screen capture is not matched to the audio. 🙈 Oof.) All in all, $35 well spent.

cokomairena

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, seriously, this app is sick! 😲

Great mix!

@drewinnit said:
Here’s a quick and messy screen recording jam of some fun I had with GR2 this evening

Good fun! 🔥🔥🔥

jwmmakerofmusic

@cokomairena said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, seriously, this app is sick! 😲

Great mix!

@drewinnit said:
Here’s a quick and messy screen recording jam of some fun I had with GR2 this evening

Good fun! 🔥🔥🔥

Thanks mate. This app is a little bit like NS2 and Traktor iOS had a secret illegitimate child. 😂

rheslip

@Michael_R_Grant said:

@thesoundtestroom said:
Here is my next GR2 video.
This one is all about MIDI FX, I use Scaler 2 as an example but you can apply the same technique used in the video to any MIDI FX app.
With this method, you can build up complete songs very quickly.

Do you find that the performance options in Scaler 2 have timing issues when used with GR 2? By this, I mean how you can select various musical styles to be played within the selected chords. For me, the same problem exists as with Logic Pro on iPad, where a 48k sample rate means the performance doesn't line up properly. The MIDI notes for the chords are recording with the correct timing, it's the actual 'playing' that has wrong timing when you're using the performance options.

The solution in Logic is to select 44.1khz for your project, but in GR2 the sample rate is locked to your model of iPad even though it looks like you should be able to change it. Jim says that Logic is only 'virtually' changing this rate, so it's like 44.1khz in a 48khz wrapper, but it does still fix the issue. No such ability in GR2, unfortunately!

I followed Doug’s instructions pretty much exactly and found the recorded chords in Gr2 are not timed correctly. DAW sync is on, both GR2 and Scaler say they are at 120bpm but it’s like Scaler’s clock is running faster than GR2. Each chord after the first is recorded early and what is supposed to be a 4 bar loop is actually about 3 3/4 bars.

What am I doing wrong?

cyberheater

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@cokomairena said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, seriously, this app is sick! 😲

Great mix!

@drewinnit said:
Here’s a quick and messy screen recording jam of some fun I had with GR2 this evening

Good fun! 🔥🔥🔥

Thanks mate. This app is a little bit like NS2 and Traktor iOS had a secret illegitimate child. 😂

Yeah. I keep thinking it’s like NS2 on steroids.

jwmmakerofmusic

@cyberheater said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@cokomairena said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
Okay, seriously, this app is sick! 😲

Great mix!

@drewinnit said:
Here’s a quick and messy screen recording jam of some fun I had with GR2 this evening

Good fun! 🔥🔥🔥

Thanks mate. This app is a little bit like NS2 and Traktor iOS had a secret illegitimate child. 😂

Yeah. I keep thinking it’s like NS2 on steroids.

I will say, NS2 is a bit more unlimited in what it can do. Unlimited tracks (as much as your processor can handle), unlimited effects per track, has a great internal synth, etc. However, NS2 can't fade between projects live, is easy to use but not as immediate as GR-II, etc. GR-II has some limitations such as a set layout for effects, 3 IFX per track, etc, but honestly those limitations cut out a lot of that technical bullshit so I can focus more on actually creating music the way I want to create it.

I swear, I haven't been this swift in creating music since I used to own that OP-1 Field. (Then again, I'm still learning GR-II, so I'm a bit slower than I will be once I'm more used to GR-II. But, being able to shart out a quick remix like I did in under an hour is about the same speed that I had with the OP-1 Field.)

I only had one hiccup where the pattern (project) stopped playing sound. I saved and reopened GR-II, and boom. I was back in business easy peasy.

Also, I found out today that not only can I load AUv3 effects in the send effects but also in the MASTER effects! I really don't need AUv3s in the sends personally since the internal effects are good enough honestly. However, when I start to form my upcoming EP in GR-II (and yes, there will be an EP this month lol), I'll probably load Grand Finale 2 on the mastering chains of each project.

audiblevideo

@dendy said:

@dendy said:

Probably bug ? Or at least weird behaviour. When i map more pareameters to same knob on HW midi controller (let's say layer 1 cutoff and layer 2 cutoff), an then i switch somewhere else - tweaking of HW knob affects just second mapped knobs - to affect first one i need to go into that layer... i woould expect simply all mapped knobs are changing value based on tweakd midi controller knob simultaneously ..

Had e-mail exchange with Jim.. just going to summarize it here in case somebody will deal with same problem

• you can map midi hw knob into multiple knobs across more layers, however only the one on currently ACTIVE layer is affected when you tweak kob on controller
• when you are in lear mode (shift + double tap on knob), you can tap on kbob and choose "lock to layer" - then that kbob will be controlled by midi knob even if layer is not active - but in that case it is locked always just to last knob where you selected "lock" mode - so again you can control multiple parameters from more layers this way

Also Jim gave me hit i can control multiple parameters from different layers by MOD WHEEL but i didn't find way how to select which parremeters are controlled by mod wheel (by default it's routed to LFO). If anybody was sucessfull in setting what modwheel should map, let me know.

I wrote to Jim also idea of some set of "macro knobs", hope one day he will implement it, currently this inability to control multiple parameters from more layers by one hw knob is major limitation for live performance (which was my main use case for this app, unfortunatelly (

This IAA MIDI app might help you wrangle knob macros

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/knob-lab/id727466234

djmitchella

@rheslip said:
I followed Doug’s instructions pretty much exactly and found the recorded chords in Gr2 are not timed correctly. DAW sync is on, both GR2 and Scaler say they are at 120bpm but it’s like Scaler’s clock is running faster than GR2. Each chord after the first is recorded early and what is supposed to be a 4 bar loop is actually about 3 3/4 bars.

What am I doing wrong?

I'm seeing the same thing where the recorded midi is a bit too short / fast - this is set to 2 beats in Scaler, but the first note is more like 1.9 beats and then it gets more out of step as it continues.

wim

It's a Scaler 2 problem with sample rate other than 44.1kHz. GR-2 isn't the only host where that is a problem.
https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/62993/scaler-2-9-bad-performance

Frank303

Can't figure out if gr16 obeys/differentiates cc's on different midi channels? If I map a knob from a hardware controller with cc1 on ch1 to the cutoff in gr16, then a cc1 on ch2 also modulates the same cutoff mapped to cc1.

wim

@Frank303 said:
Can't figure out if gr16 obeys/differentiates cc's on different midi channels? If I map a knob from a hardware controller with cc1 on ch1 to the cutoff in gr16, then a cc1 on ch2 also modulates the same cutoff mapped to cc1.

Have you tried Midi In Mode = Poly Channel in midi settings?

RJB

@wim said:

@Frank303 said:
Can't figure out if gr16 obeys/differentiates cc's on different midi channels? If I map a knob from a hardware controller with cc1 on ch1 to the cutoff in gr16, then a cc1 on ch2 also modulates the same cutoff mapped to cc1.

Have you tried Midi In Mode = Poly Channel in midi settings?

I’m seeing something funny going on with midi in Piano Motifs. Using Audio Veek’s midi route I was hoping to just record the accompaniment on track2 but I can’t seem to split the midi up no matter which mode I’m in, mono or poly channel.