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  • reezyglereezygle
    edited February 12

    Well put @Edward_Alexander. I completely agree with everything you said.

  • SamuSamu

    @tk32 said:

    ...unless there is already a trick/shortcut I am unaware of?

    The erase tool uses a lasso to delete note, just lasso in the notes you wish to delete.
    I know not the same...

    The 'shift' button also has some nifty hidden (well at least until the manual is out) features.
    Holding down shift and using the paintbrush is one, use scale mode and paint vertical lines for chords.
    Hold down shift while adjusting the velocity of a selection of notes to ramp up/down the velocity values.

    I'm really looking forward to the manual as a 'reference' and 'memory refresher'.

  • Frank303Frank303

    Currently having Drambo and gr2 gently puddling along besides each other. Using drambo with mozaic Freak control to have my midi controller controll each seperate track of gr2 (Seems to me gr2 wants each track with its own corresponding midi channel) with some added master controls and Euclidean sequencers and Mozaic sequencers (because mappable to controller) on each track. And some auv3s that can't be mapped in gr2. Married together by AUM 💘

  • wimwim

    @Frank303 said:
    (Seems to me gr2 wants each track with its own corresponding midi channel)

    That's configurable in the settings.

  • wimwim
    edited February 12

    I was trying to get Rozeta LFO and MMM working to modulate AU parameters. Couldn't figure out how to get it working short of hosting the MIDI FX in AUM and sending the CCs that way. It seems MIDI FX go to the clip recording system, but not to any equivalent of AUM's Midi Control.

    I hope someone proves me wrong.

  • reezyglereezygle

    Is there anyway to persist the pattern parameters like number of bars, key, and scale so that you don’t have to reset them every time you start a new pattern?

  • RajahPRajahP

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    They both have their strengths right now.

    IMO GR2 is a fantastic app that leans heavily on being a “groovebox”, and it does have a few features that admittedly do have an edge on Drambo in that regard right now, like the song mode, and the ability to blend from one project (pattern?) to another seamlessly. And a lot of small, but important features like being able to record pitch and mod wheel articulations.

    There’s no doubt that Jim got a lot of things right with GR2!

    Drambo however, is a fully modular synthesizer capable of a much wider array of synthesis and sound design (for example, there’s no FM operators or physical modeling synthesis in GR2) in addition to the upcoming bi-directional midi feedback and controller support, as well as a few other features that are still in beta that I probably shouldn’t be mentioning.

    DRambo also doesn’t have a lot of the limitations that GR2 has in terms of “you can only use insert effects here”, or “you only have 3 slots there”. There’s also a lot more freedom with internal midi and audio routing in Drambo.

    I really do love both apps, but for me, Drambo will always be King! And if the silence from @giku_beepstreet over the last couple weeks is any indication, I have a feeling the next beta versions, and the subsequent AppStore version updates are really going to be something great.

    The amazing thing for us, is that we have choices! As pointed out above by @jwmmakerofmusic, we can of course always use the Drambo AU inside GR2. Personally, I kinda wanted to do it the other way around, and have Drambo be the host, but either way is workable by me.

    You said it… “We have Choices, now”.. it will only get better.
    Loving the ride.. Respect to all developers…
    Thanks..

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @reezygle said:
    Is there anyway to persist the pattern parameters like number of bars, key, and scale so that you don’t have to reset them every time you start a new pattern?

    It doesn't seem to be one yet, we should ask jim

    autosave and a default pattern would be very handy

  • EdZABEdZAB
    edited February 12

    @RajahP said:

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    They both have their strengths right now.

    IMO GR2 is a fantastic app that leans heavily on being a “groovebox”, and it does have a few features that admittedly do have an edge on Drambo in that regard right now, like the song mode, and the ability to blend from one project (pattern?) to another seamlessly. And a lot of small, but important features like being able to record pitch and mod wheel articulations.

    There’s no doubt that Jim got a lot of things right with GR2!

    Drambo however, is a fully modular synthesizer capable of a much wider array of synthesis and sound design (for example, there’s no FM operators or physical modeling synthesis in GR2) in addition to the upcoming bi-directional midi feedback and controller support, as well as a few other features that are still in beta that I probably shouldn’t be mentioning.

    DRambo also doesn’t have a lot of the limitations that GR2 has in terms of “you can only use insert effects here”, or “you only have 3 slots there”. There’s also a lot more freedom with internal midi and audio routing in Drambo.

    I really do love both apps, but for me, Drambo will always be King! And if the silence from @giku_beepstreet over the last couple weeks is any indication, I have a feeling the next beta versions, and the subsequent AppStore version updates are really going to be something great.

    The amazing thing for us, is that we have choices! As pointed out above by @jwmmakerofmusic, we can of course always use the Drambo AU inside GR2. Personally, I kinda wanted to do it the other way around, and have Drambo be the host, but either way is workable by me.

    You said it… “We have Choices, now”.. it will only get better.
    Loving the ride.. Respect to all developers…
    Thanks..

    Right on. I really like what @Edward_Alexander said about having choices.

    I'm a big fan of GR2, probably more than most, and last night I was trying figure out if it was just me, or if there is something about the app that has a special appeal. It could be me, but I think there is an important consideration that is often overlooked, which is that every app should have a clear purpose and vision and be optimized for that. There are certain apps which are the industry standard or ad-hoc "goto" apps in different circles and for different purposes, as everyone knows (e.g. Drambo here!). There are some well maintained apps which are very specific to certain needs and may have a hardcore fan group, and then there's the quirky ones, and lots of extraneous ones. Where I see difficulties arise is when people have an app that is well thought out and implemented, albeit maybe not perfectly, and then there are requests (or even demands) on the developer to make it do x, y and z, and it starts becoming a situation of trying to make the app do everything that everyone wants. That's a slippery slope. So, back to GR2 - I think this app is excellent at what I believe it is intended to do, and it works really well for me. There's been a few enhancements and bug fixes already, which are great and there's still a few things that I find quirky, but overall I'm very happy with it, and I'm very pleased to have it in in my stable of music making apps, it fills a space that I like, and it doesn't overlap a whole lot with my existing tools.

    **Edit: Fixed typos

  • reezyglereezygle

    @cokomairena said:

    @reezygle said:
    Is there anyway to persist the pattern parameters like number of bars, key, and scale so that you don’t have to reset them every time you start a new pattern?

    It doesn't seem to be one yet, we should ask jim

    autosave and a default pattern would be very handy

    Just email him a feature request.

  • reezyglereezygle
    edited February 12

    I'm with you @EdZAB. That's how I felt about GR-16 and Pure Acid. They are beautifully designed, both from a UI stand-point and functionality. I consider them feature-complete for what they were designed to be.

    Having said that, when a new product is released, feedback and feature requests are usually welcomed. It makes the dev consider things that they may not have thought of.

    I'd be perfectly happy with GR-2 as is. My requests have mostly been "nice to haves." Up to Jim to decide what he'll support. I'd be happy with GR-2 whether he implements my requested features or not.

    What is not productive is when things like "Nah this is no good because it can't do xyz" or "such and such is a much better app," are said instead of just saying "it's not for me."

  • hacked_to_pieceshacked_to_pieces

    @reezygle said:
    Is there anyway to persist the pattern parameters like number of bars, key, and scale so that you don’t have to reset them every time you start a new pattern?

    Currently only way I can think of is to make a new pattern with parameters you want, save it then when you want a new pattern you select the pattern you just created and choose save as rename and off you go.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @SmushMilo

    I agree, constraints and limitations often bring about better creativity when creating music. And I also agree that GR-II has similar ethos to the MPC or even the OP-1 Field I used to have. (I miss that little box, but too much money for a monthly payment was killing me financially, so I sold it to pay off the rest of the Zzounds loan.)

    Funny you should mention Zenbeats. Honestly, I've tried Zenbeats in the past, and I could never click with it. Too much of a pain in the arse for me personally, but ymmv.

    Yes, go for Pure Acid! It's a great app in its own right, but its integration with GR-II is sublime.

    I agree, I have used many DAW apps in the past year or two whenever I got stuck creatively in one. Since you're into sampling more, may I suggest giving Koala Sampler a go someday? :) It's like 15 quid for the base app and its IAPs. It even has its own synth inside of it now that was recently added.

    All the best in our creative endeavors. 🙏

    @Edward_Alexander

    Yeah, I hope to goodness the manual is released soon. Thanks to Doug and Leo, I've figured out like 90% of GR-II already. But I know there are some things I may not be aware of yet.

    What I'm glad for, and I agree with you 💯, is that we indeed have choices on iOS. For me personally, Drambo will always boggle my mind and give me "options paralysis", but if you can use it flawlessly, that's awesome to me. Sometimes I get options paralysis with Cubasis 3, even if I limit myself to only using the sounds (IAPs included) in Cubasis itself (god bless that DAW).

    @reezygle

    Me I'm the opposite when it comes to GR-II vs Drambo. I've never been able to wrap my head around Drambo per se, but GR-II fits my workflow like a glove. :)

    @cokomairena

    Definitely give hats their own part in GR-II. I usually put kicks and toms on one track, claps and snares on a second track, and cymbals on a third track. That way I can EQ each part and set the levels easily.

    @Frank303

    Well done, mate. That sounds like a good workflow to me. :) Keep on with the keep on.

    @EdZAB

    "I'm a big fan of GR2, probably more than most". Hold my beer. 🍺😉

    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/64057/jwm-dragon-skies-19-years-later-edm-created-in-gr-ii#latest

    Created with soundfonts, drum samples from my various collections, the internal synth, and using only GR-II's internal effects! (Although for the "album version", I already adjusted things with Grand Finale 2 and NoLimits2 on the master track to give it more brightness and punch).

    All in all, I haven't been this obsessed with an app since Nanostudio 2 was first released in Dec 2018. I'm not churning out one track per day, but rather one track every 2-3 days so as to not burn myself out.

    In fact, I'm working on an EP/Album within GR-II that will be 100% mixed using its live project DJ mixing feature. I think the title will be "The Xperience", based on remakes of old tracks I made back in 2002-2007 (especially given the fact I repurchased the DSK Music soundfonts, which I used extensively during that era).

    Also, I just finished work using GR-II for a client. He loved the results.

    So does Mr. Pavloff himself actually. I've been proudly emailing him snippets of works in progress I make in GR-II, showing him how amazing this app is to me. I can't get over the hardware aesthetics/skeuomorphism. Reminds me of the good old days of iOS music production before AUv3 became a thing. One of those "in the box" kind of deals, but luckily not an entire walled garden since GR-II can load AUv3 effects in the send fx and master fx as well as AUv3 synths. And in reality, I only really need Grand Finale 2 and NoLimits2 on the master track as far as AUv3s are concerned.

    Okay, and that's enough blathering out of me for now. Back to the music dungeon I go. 🏃‍♂️💨

  • RajahPRajahP

    @SmushMilo said:

    @RajahP said:
    Genius… always wondered why sequencer developers do not put Groove Quantize on their apps.. This solved it.. Midi Import please.. Nice..

    Yep love that, very MPC like, just adds a bit of sauce doesn't it.

    It’s pretty sweet..

  • erosseross

    anyone know how I can make my own sound font. ? is there an app or desktop software for it?

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @eross said:
    anyone know how I can make my own sound font. ? is there an app or desktop software for it?

    There’s this:

    https://www.polyphone.io/

  • erosseross

    @michael_m said:

    @eross said:
    anyone know how I can make my own sound font. ? is there an app or desktop software for it?

    There’s this:

    https://www.polyphone.io/

    oh awesome thanks

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @eross said:

    @michael_m said:

    @eross said:
    anyone know how I can make my own sound font. ? is there an app or desktop software for it?

    There’s this:

    https://www.polyphone.io/

    oh awesome thanks

    Disclaimer - I haven’t tried it myself yet, but I bookmarked it as it came up quite often in a search for software to convert soundfont types.

  • ColoobarColoobar
    edited February 13

    I only see iVCS as a "noise" or "VCO" - there's no option to use it as a normal instrument with presets like in Drambo. Is this a glitch?

  • hacked_to_pieceshacked_to_pieces
    edited February 13

    @Coloobar said:
    I only see iVCS as a "noise" or "VCO" - there's no option to use it as a normal instrument with presets like in Drambo. Is this a glitch?

    Its available in "Add AUv3 Layer" look under Apesoft VCS3 is listed as an [Instr]. You can also find iVCS3 in AU Effects which allow you to add ENV, Spring, VCA or VCF as individual effects.

  • ColoobarColoobar
    edited February 13

    @hacked_to_pieces said:

    @Coloobar said:
    I only see iVCS as a "noise" or "VCO" - there's no option to use it as a normal instrument with presets like in Drambo. Is this a glitch?

    Its available in "Add AUv3 Layer" look under Apesoft VCS3 is listed as an [Instr]. You can also find iVCS3 in AU Effects which allow you to add ENV, Spring, VCA or VCF as individual effects.

    Found it, thanks. Weird the other two are listed under the category "iVCS" and the intrument isn't.

  • Edward_AlexanderEdward_Alexander

    I wouldn’t mind having a search bar at the top of the AUv3, and the top of the AUV3 effect lists.

  • alexwasashrimpalexwasashrimp

    So I fell a bit behind on new apps, wanted to know what is the noise about, and boom! "This app is currently not available in your country or region", has anyone else had this with GR2?

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @Edward_Alexander said:
    I wouldn’t mind having a search bar at the top of the AUv3, and the top of the AUV3 effect lists.

    +1, an alphabetical list or most used list would rock too

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    So I fell a bit behind on new apps, wanted to know what is the noise about, and boom! "This app is currently not available in your country or region", has anyone else had this with GR2?

    what region is that?

  • alexwasashrimpalexwasashrimp

    @cokomairena said:

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    So I fell a bit behind on new apps, wanted to know what is the noise about, and boom! "This app is currently not available in your country or region", has anyone else had this with GR2?

    what region is that?

    Vietnam

  • wimwim
    edited February 13

    @alexwasashrimp said:

    @cokomairena said:

    @alexwasashrimp said:
    So I fell a bit behind on new apps, wanted to know what is the noise about, and boom! "This app is currently not available in your country or region", has anyone else had this with GR2?

    what region is that?

    Vietnam

    It could be just an oversight. You may want to email the developer: jimaudiodsp @ gmail.com

  • zzrwoodzzrwood

    Does anyone know if there’s any way to get transport controls working with GR2 from a midi controller?

  • SergiuSergiu

    Still needs work…you can only use one midi controller and some auv3’s are mapping, others won’t …the mixer faders cannot be mapped, yet but I’m sure Jim will work on those aspects. > @zzrwood said:

    Does anyone know if there’s any way to get transport controls working with GR2 from a midi controller?

  • Frank303Frank303
    edited February 14

    @Sergiu said:
    Still needs work…you can only use one midi controller and some auv3’s are mapping, others won’t …the mixer faders cannot be mapped, yet but I’m sure Jim will work on those aspects. > @zzrwood said:

    Does anyone know if there’s any way to get transport controls working with GR2 from a midi controller?

    Send midi to gr2 from aum and connect any and all devices there ☺️
    Faders can be mapped from the parts, the Level knob is the fader.
    Also map the transport buttons in aum and you're set.
    Plenty left for desire, indeed the auv midi mapping, mapping mute and solo buttons, trigger, steps, part select, clip launch, undo redo, browse presetsand scroll and select would be great, patterns and banks browse and select and mix, mfx... By then it will be almost like ableton hehe Let's see what the future brings. For now I'm happy as it is.

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