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  • edited June 2015

    Finally succumbed to this one yesterday, and it's already overtaken the iM1 as my favourite noise maker, and I think even when the novelty wears off it'll get a lot of use. I create a range of 'music' on the iPad - from horrible electro noise to ambient soundscapes, and I reckon this synth can add something to any of these.

    The possibilities are massive - for anyone still on the fence don't get put off by the dubstep sounds that are promoted all over the place, this one is capable of a lot more, and it has a real wallop in the bottom end - I've never been able to get deep bass sounds like this out of my other synths.

    So far I've enjoyed deep bass sounds, growling, snarling synths, evolving pads, sound FX and rhythmic madness. And it's one of those apps that triggers creativity - a bit of mucking about on this and suddenly you've got the bones for a new track. And it also provides me with a bit of the old 'iVCS3 unpredictable-ness' thing that I love.

    Can't think of a single negative about this one (though I'm sure I will eventually) - works perfectly with MIDI (sounds smashing hooked up as the bass synth in Egoist), no crashes or mucking about in Audiobus - love it.

    And then there's the built-in effects sequencer to make things completely bonkers. Happy days...

  • @monzo said:
    sounds smashing hooked up as the bass synth in Egoist

    Nice idea... must try this at some point

    Glad you're liking it... I look forward to hearing some results in a track.

  • @monzo It's great to hear a shot of positivity for the awesome Cyclop - I'm stunned at how many middle-to-negative reactions there have been to it (on the web in general that is) ..meanwhile It's So good and capable of going as far as you want to take it.

    It never occurred to me to sync Cyclop and Egoist but as the latter is in my Top 5 I'll definitely get with that!

  • I wish Egotist's bass sequencer sent it's "slide" out as a midi pitch bend, but it doesn't seem to (from what i've found).

  • edited June 2015

    @Proppa said:
    monzo It's great to hear a shot of positivity for the awesome Cyclop - I'm stunned at how many middle-to-negative reactions there have been to it (on the web in general that is) ..

    Yeah I'm surprised by the lack of glowing feedback, and that probably put me off a bit. It's a cracking synth though - and you could use it for a whole track if you wanted - percussive/rhythmic, pad, keyboard/chord, FX as well as bass sounds. And it doesn't have to be gritty or distorted, it can do mellow too.

    I was at a local festival over the weekend, and enjoyed a late night dub DJ set. His use of bass frequencies prompted me to get this, and there are some nice sub-bass sounds in there all ready for some speaker shaking - something definitely missing from my tracks.

    @Proppa said:
    It never occurred to me to sync Cyclop and Egoist but as the latter is in my Top 5 I'll definitely get with that!

    I'm not a fan of the bass sequencer in Egoist, but it was great to match it up with the drums and sample player. Haven't tried many others yet, but worked really well in Auxy too.

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I wish Egotist's bass sequencer sent it's "slide" out as a midi pitch bend, but it doesn't seem to (from what i've found).
    Glad you're liking it... I look forward to hearing some results in a track.

    Ah right, didn't notice that. It gets picked up nice and easily though. Yep - already started a track with it in, and it'll find it's way into the Monzo/JohnnyGoodyear collaboration too...

  • dammit, I guess it's time to get it now.

  • Hehe! Swarm technology!

  • I swore I'd hold out until Monzo gave in :(

  • one little, two little, three little indians!

  • @kobamoto said:
    I swore I'd hold out until Monzo gave in :(

    I don't think you'll regret it, if anything I regret waiting so long!

  • Mrs. Goodyear and I make most of our living by understanding why people say what they say about what they feel about what they think and how it differs from what they're really thinking and what the gap is between those things and why.

    Having read @monzo's report and measured it against the information I have on file concerning his buying patterns and essentially suspicious nature I can only conclude that some mixture of the price point and perhaps the range or complexity of Cyclop has been the underlying reason for a trend of luke-warm reviews.

    More certainly I can conclude that my next allowance will be twenty-five dollars light.

    The moose send their regards.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    Having read monzo's report and measured it against the information I have on file concerning his buying patterns and essentially suspicious nature I can only conclude that some mixture of the price point and perhaps the range or complexity of Cyclop has been the underlying reason for a trend of luke-warm reviews.

    Yeah I thought that too - it's not cheap so maybe purchasers feel less inclined to big it up. Personally I think it's worth the cost - it's a beast of a thing and fits perfectly into my workflow. It may not be everyone's cup of tea...I'm giving up writing this as that flaming 'draft saved' message is during me nuts

  • Haha, the 3rd indian shown up. All the hype!

  • @Kaikoo said:
    Haha, the 3rd indian shown up. All the hype!

    No Captain, simple proof that contextual word of mouth is the most important factor when potentially required to brave the heat generated by the purchase of any app that costs enough to make the wife's eyebrows rise.

  • edited June 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    No Captain, simple proof that contextual word of mouth is the most important factor when potentially required to brave the heat generated by the purchase of any app that costs enough to make the wife's eyebrows rise.

    I'll continue what I was saying via the PC as the pop-up is annoying the crap out of me when posting via iPhone.

    I guess if I compare the cost to iM1 +IAP's it's actually cheaper, and provides just as many sonic bendings. For me, there was a whole bunch of opportunities to use this as I have a few 'noise' projects on the go, and since buying it I've discovered it's actually quite unique - maybe Matt can do it, but I can't get Gadget or anything else to sound like this bad boy. And I've also discovered it's more flexible than I'd thought, so it can be used in my weird stuff, as well as the noisy things.

    Is this app essential for @JohnnyGoodyear though? Thinking about your usual output, I'm not so sure. I think you might find it a bit too wild. You'd enjoy mucking about with it, and it'd probably find itself into a couple of tracks, but I reckon it'd eventually find it's way into your 'meh' toolbox. But I could be wrong. Should you buy it? Definitely.

  • edited June 2015

    @monzo said:
    Is this app essential for @JohnnyGoodyear though? Thinking about your usual output, I'm not so sure. I think you might find it a bit too wild. You'd enjoy mucking about with it, and it'd probably find itself into a couple of tracks, but I reckon it'd eventually find it's way into your 'meh' toolbox. But I could be wrong. Should you buy it? Definitely.

    I agree with all of this.

    I think the luke warm reviews might have had something to do with the lack of diversity in the presets. Most people, I think, get an app and run through some presets to get the measure of what it can do. A lot of the presets are overly harsh and not all that immediately usable (IMO). Unless, maybe, you're @Monzo, and you're specifically looking for complete mayhem to provide a nice bed for animal noises.

    I'm in 2 minds about Cyclop. It's fun. The effects sequencing is very nice, and fun. In fact the automation is great. I find it quite hard on the ears though.. just like Elastic Drums... and I kind of like my crazy sounds to blend in with the rest of the track (while still being crazy). And of course I can't use more than 5 blasted seconds in Gadget - so all that effect sequencing is a bit redundant to be honest. I find for a sub 5 sec interesting bass sample I get more from modifying a Thor or Z3ta preset to be honest... the just sound a bit 'bigger' or something.

    I think i'll keep coming back to Cyclop though. And get something usable out of it. I need to really get into programming my own core sounds in it I think - or finding some more usable preset starting points.

    TC-11 on the other hand... wow... for pad-like 1 shots, textures and FX, that is a set of presets that can do no wrong as far as i'm concerned... especially combined with the playing surface - everything just sounds so right... and you can make stuff 'your own' just by how you play it. Then of course you can go in an start messing too.

    Right now i'm using TC-Performer as a way to browse and audition patches in spare moments on my phone. Then going into TC-11 for the ones that have legs.

    Sorry, I went off topic. But guys... TC-11... can't believe it's taken me so long to discover it!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    Sorry, I went off topic. But guys... TC-11... can't believe it's taken me so long to discover it!

    Funny isn't it, I've never liked TC-11 ;) I find it too hard to create sounds with - sure some of the presets are great, but I found it all a bit style over substance.

    Cyclop on the other hand I find easy to work with, and though the presets are mostly on the harsh side, there are some warm, more subtle sounds lurking in there.

    I agree though it comes into it's own for a clattering racket - and is the ideal partner to Elastic Drums.

  • You two guys opinions is to marry Miss TC-data to Mr. Cyclop. Some of the controls of Cyclop can only be done by midi, so this is great for the two!

  • @Kaikoo said:
    You two guys opinions is to marry Miss TC-data to Mr. Cyclop. Some of the controls of Cyclop can only be done by midi, so this is great for the two!

    You're right. TC Data into Cyclop (most of the controls are midi learn) would be really crazy actually... You could make a right racket. Probably great live with the right patch design and the right things hooked up to TC-Data. Would make for quite a performance.

  • edited June 2015

    @monzo said:
    Funny isn't it, I've never liked TC-11 ;) I find it too hard to create sounds with - sure some of the presets are great, but I found it all a bit style over substance.

    That's a fair criticism. I've mostly just been preset surfing in TC-11 to be honest... and getting in and turning off the delay (for sampling purposes) or setting the BPM to 170. Not much more than that so far.

    It looks pretty powerful for patch design... but i'm sure requires quite a bit of investment in time and brain power.

    One great thing about Cyclop is it's really easy to work it all out and get to designing stuff straight away. Particularly the effects and automation stuff.

    There are definitely things Cyclop that Gadget can't be made to do. The tape stop effect, for one, is tough to achieve in Gadget sadly (although can be kind of attempted in some Gadgets by pulling down the pitch very fast then adding hard mute.). The sub is nice in Cyclop - although I can get something pretty similar out of Dublin. The FM and granular stuff isn't there so much in Gadget (although you can have go with Chiang Mai and Kiev respectively).

    Cyclop is certainly a beast - no question about it. It's a just a beast I feel i've yet to tame.

  • edited June 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 I can assure you, from the time you've put in to figuring out Gadget's MIDI, and creating MIDI controller templates; you could max out TC-11's synth engine capabilities by noodling.

    I have been quite impressed with the update to TC-11's synth engine. It's quite fun to create patches on it.

    I do agree with the "style over substance" criticism for the playing surface. The style is quite impressive and I love it, but I wish along with it, I could get a more basic keyboard-type control, so it doesn't feel like it's all haphazard improvisation.

    With Cyclop, because I don't use it regularly enough to remember it inside and out, I always feel like I need to relearn certain elements of its workflow (namely a start-to-finish path to get full utilization of its features). I also agree with that the presets are misleading, they all sound like the more abrasive side of EDM (not my bag). But this is why everyone should be encouraged to mess with an Init patch their first time going into a synth, along with trying out presets. I really wish Sugar Bytes (and many other synth devs) put their Init feature a bit more front and center.

  • edited June 2015

    @CalCutta said:
    Matt_Fletcher_2000 I can assure you, from the time you've put in to figuring out Gadget's MIDI, and creating MIDI controller templates; you could max out TC-11's synth engine capabilities by noodling.

    Thanks!

    I do agree with the "style over substance" criticism for the playing surface. The style is quite impressive and I love it, but I wish along with it, I could get a more basic keyboard-type control, so it doesn't feel like it's all haphazard improvisation.

    I hear you... But when I use TC-Data I always have a table set to a scale (minor scale usually - or pentatonic - or a few notes from a my scale) across one or more octaves - with it mapped across the X axis. You can then set a grid so you can see where one note starts and stops. This gives you a keyboard playing surface of scale locked keys just like Figure or Thumbjam etc... There's also a circular version of this with rings coming out from the centre and the screen split down the middle for 2 different octaves (see the Galaxy Pad preset for example). This is great for playing chords and across 2 different octaves.

    You can then add some effects to the Y axis or various 'after-touch type' gestures etc...

    Not being in any way a keyboard player - I actually find this all much easier than a 'normal' keyboard. You can quickly count 7 notes out from the centre or edge to work out which notes you're playing in the scale. You can hit 'keys' of the same colour with 3 or 4 fingers to play triad chords or 7ths. I love it to be honest...

    I agree that the patches without these 'keys' make it very hard to crete anything other than effects though.

  • I feel a bit underwhelmed by the sound of all of the oscillators synth engines in Cyclop to be honest.

  • edited June 2015

    Its' power is by no means to abuse its ' usage! Better to use arp and sequencer to tune it slowly!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I hear you... But when I use TC-Data I always have a table set to a scale (minor scale usually - or pentatonic - or a few notes from a my scale) across one or more octaves - with it mapped across the X axis. You can then set a grid so you can see where one note starts and stops. This gives you a keyboard playing surface of scale locked keys just like Figure or Thumbjam etc... There's also a circular version of this with rings coming out from the centre and the screen split down the middle for 2 different octaves (see the Galaxy Pad preset for example). This is great for playing chords and across 2 different octaves.

    >

    My criticism about TC-11 was a bit short-sighted seeing as the manual claims to have MIDI Note In, yet I'm always so distracted by the "oooh look at the pretty colors" aspect when playing it, that I never think to use a keyboard/sequencer to control it. blush

  • Hey guys, I'm thinking about staying on the fence with SidTracker64 for the next 10 weeks and flirting with it every time I get stuck at an airport. Is it only useful for making chip tunes or can it do other stuff like wobble bass?

  • @solador78 No, no, no. Not 10 weeks. Sid is half the price of Cy, so five weeks maximum airport fence-sitting etc. Just to be clear.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear have you bought it yet?

  • edited June 2015

    @monzo Nope. Waiting for the bean harvest.

  • oh man, I thought it was on sale, gonna wait a bit longer

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