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  • @solador78 said:

    Brilliant lol

  • @solador78 Thats an awesome pic.

    @monzo Thanks, I am at about 25%. I may try the demo but considering I still need to buy Z3ta, I will more than likely wait on this guy. Maybe if it goes on sale or once I buy all the other main apps on my wish list.

  • @gmslayton said:

    monzo Thanks, I am at about 25%. I may try the demo but considering I still need to buy Z3ta, I will more than likely wait on this guy. Maybe if it goes on sale or once I buy all the other main apps on my wish list.

    Hmmm...I haven't got Z3ta either....I wonder if I should do the same and buy that first...

  • @monzo said:
    Hmmm...I haven't got Z3ta either....I wonder if I should do the same and buy that first...

    @monzo you need to get yourself a magic 8-ball!

  • edited April 2015

    @Jocphone said:
    monzo you need to get yourself a magic 8-ball!

    I know :) I couldn't run apps like Z3ta on my old iPad2, so since updating to an Air 2 I'm suddenly spoiled for choice. I'd forgotten about Z3ta, and looking at some of the vids it's capable of some really lovely sounds - very nice filters....and you could probably even coax it to do a bit of gritty bass if you fancied.

    I think Z3ta would be more of an 'all-rounder', so I think I need to do a bit more research on that one before spending all my cash on Cyclop. Just checking their site and listening to some samples - I'm guessing they're the same as on the iOS version.

  • Slightly off-topic, but 'Attack' is the one I'm looking out for. I tried the demo of this and it was distinctly uninteresting for my tastes.

  • edited April 2015

    I can vouch that Cyclop is not currently breaking my heart. In fact quite the opposite.

    I've found a nice workflow with it, now, and in just a few hours have some great Cyclop bass parts folded into a Gadget track. It goes like this:

    Ingredients: Auxy, Audioshare, Gadget, Cyclop

    Recipe:

    1. Start with the bass...
      Create a basic kick, snare thing in Auxy (Auxy internal sounds) and point the Auxy bass track at Cyclop - sending it some bass groove patterns. Make sure you set the tempo in Cyclop to the same as in Auxy, then everything will sync nicely (because you're entirely on Auxy's clock)

    2. Get creative in Cyclop...
      This is very fun... while the pattern is playing start sound designing your bass in Cyclop. I'd start from one of the "init patches" (otherwise you'l find some weird buried modulation thing is on from the original pathch) and then just go for it. I ended up with a nice supersaw + analog sync bass - heavily low pass filtered - with the "amount" button and the "sound" button modulating a bunch of different parameters each. I could move these manually to change the sound timbre nicely - and I also set up little sequences to automate both (which you can turn on and off). The was NO wobble involved :).

    3. Grab a 4 bar bass part...
      When you have a bass part you like (i'm saying 4 bars because Auxy maxes at 4 bars per pattern) - just launch audioshare and IAA record Cyclop into it. The way to do this, to get one clean 4 bar sample is to stop Auxy, set AS to record, hit it in Auxy then stop it at the end of the last bar in Auxy. You'll get the tail this way.

    4. Chop in half and put in Gadget...
      Bilbao lets you have a sample of up to 5 secs - so depending on your tempo, you'll likely need to chop your bas part into 2 in audioshare (to do this trim the sample to the start of the bass sound, save, then switch on the snap function and chop the exact first 2 bars to a new file, then chop the second 2 bars plus the tail to a second file). Import both wavs to Bilbao then fire off at the start of bar 1 and the start of bar 3. They should stick together nicely.

    5. Recreate and embellish the drums and other instrument parts in Gadget

    6. Go back to step1 and repeat to add bass variations (different modulation) and other bass patterns for different parts of the track.

    I found it a really quick and nice way of working and although you're having to record audio, cut in half and import - the time you save trying to make the Gadget synths produce kick ass and interesting bass phrases, and the increased quality of bass I think you get from Cyclop - it's well worth effort.

    Since I have all the bass patterns in Auxy (and variations of the patch saved in Cyclop), as a final stage once i've finished composing my track - it would be possible to take all Gadget stems into Auria and then carefully re-record the bass parts from Cyclop direct into Auria, if you really want to fine tune the bass modulation, merge different bass parts using sweeps etc... Auxy doesn't have midi cc automation - but I could save Auxy's midi out and then use Midi Pro to play it out to Cyclop and then add detailed automation of the parameters in Cyclop.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I can vouch that Cyclop is not currently breaking my heart. In fact quite the opposite.

    Fantastic insight into how you work Matt - very helpful :) I don't have the full version of Auxy so I'd probably try and coax Thesis to create the MIDI sequence, and as I don't have Bilbao I'd probably record straight into Auria.

    Glad to hear you're enjoying the app - I had another go through the presets (up to 'E' now) and it really does have a huge range of sounds.

  • edited April 2015

    Yep, Monzo. It's great. And it's really easy to design patches and to work out what's causing which sound (something i struggled with a bit in Z3ta because stuff is hidden in fiddly panels, and in FM4 because it's just so difficult to get your head around what's effecting what.) With Cyclop it's fairly easy to figure out - and mostly it's all on one page.

    I went through:

    • deep desire before I purchased
    • initial elation for the first couple of sessions
    • a slight comedown when I realised it was, in fact, just an iOS synth at the end of the day
    • renewed elation when I figured out how to relatively simply get it into my workflow and how to really control the automation, design patches and drive it with Auxy

    I'd recommend you get Auxy and Bilbao to be honest - both great tools...

  • edited April 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I can vouch that Cyclop is not currently breaking my heart. In fact quite the opposite.

    Nice recipe. "Cooking with Matt" could be a great new show....

    I like the Auxy notion, makes all kinds of sense. I also find your ease of attitude as regards hacking up samples to beat the five second Gadget limit encouraging. There are many larger issues I'm sure, but if I could wake up to one iOS treat tomorrow morning I would choose the turning of that five seconds into thirty.

    As for Cyclop, I have no doubt that it will end up on my iPad at some point, but feel no screaming need now having got through that dangerous first week :)

  • edited April 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear

    Yep, the recipe, of course, works with any iOS synth I guess. There's just not a particularly compelling reason to go through the hassle mostly - since the Gadget synths can make most sounds and be automated inside Gadget beautifully... and "special effects" can just go in as one shot samples if needed.

    I find that bass is a particular beast though - difficult to get right. Cyclops sub plus 2 synth plus crazy automation formula sounds pretty good to me.

    Auxy, and Midi Pro, are good because it's easy to get them to stop cleanly at the end of the phrase. I.e. play 4 bars then stop. I'm not sure about Thesys, but a lot of midi step sequencers loop the whole time and it's difficult to get them to stop cleanly right at the end of the bar.

    I too wish they'd loose the silly 5 sec limit. I was thinking just that, again, on the way to work. I'm sure it wouldn't make that much difference to performance (and NanoStudio doesn't have it). It would make a lot of things a hell of a lot easier.

  • edited April 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    I'd recommend you get Auxy and Bilbao to be honest - both great tools...

    I've got Abu Dhabi, but now Gadget is behaving itself (most of the time) I'm definitely interested in Bilbao.

    I found the Cyclop demo very easy to work with, and I'm a big fan of the 'randomise' option. The effects sequencer reminds me a bit of Egoist.

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    As for Cyclop, I have no doubt that it will end up on my iPad at some point, but feel no screaming need now having got through that dangerous first week :)

    I haven't got through it yet, I'm still teetering towards buying it. I've got a Soundcloud 'band' project that this would work nicely with it, but the sensible head is saying get Z3ta as it's more flexible. Actually the sensible head is saying 'haven't you got enough synths already?' but I'm ignoring that one.

    If someone could talk me out of buying Z3ta, then I might be able to make a decision about Cyclop. And, erm, Bilbao...

  • edited April 2015

    Here's another recipe for getting sounds into Gadget:


    1) Open Audiobus, with Cyclop or whatever in the Input, and AudioShare in the Output.

    2) Open Genome (or Auxy I guess, never tried it) and connect it to Cyclop.

    3) Program 16 eighth notes chromatically across 2 bars (i.e. C2 to D#3).

    4) Record it into Audioshare, Trim, and then Upload it to Dropbox

    5) Close everything and Open Gadget, with an INIT patch (#54) in Abu Dhabi.

    6) Import your Cyclop sample from Dropbox across the 16 pads.

  • @solador78 said:


    5) Close everything and Open Gadget, with an INIT patch (#54) in Abu Dhabi.

    6) Import your Cyclop sample from Dropbox across the 16 pads.

    Ahhh...wondered if I could use Abu Dhabi - good tip. I'm a bit confused with the differences between Bilbao and Abu Dhabi as they both seem to do very similar things.

  • edited April 2015

    @monzo said:


    Bilbao is for one-shots, like drums, dancehall horns, random vocals, scratchy sounds, etc.

    Abu Dhabi is for turning short loops into a sort-of virtual instrument (above example), or an Effectrix-like looper with glitches and FX, or both.

    Together, this covers the 2 basic functions of a groove box, like an MPC or Maschine.

  • edited April 2015

    @monzo said:

    Abu is audio slicers, can only load 1 audio file at one time on a pad, chopper and randomizer

    Bilbao can loads 16 individual sample files on a pad, sample length maximun 5 seconds

  • I vacillate between Abu and Bilbao, but they're both are worth their place in the starting line-up.

    In other news, I once had a wife who would pick football teams (American) based on her preference as regards future living (thus San Francisco over, say, Buffalo). She won more money than she lost. Between Abu and Bilbao I would -for this ingrained and useless reason- always choose the latter. No offense etc.

  • Bilbao is better for concatenating longer audio sequences chopped into sub 5 second samples (eg 2 bars per sample)

  • edited April 2015

    Thanks, looks like Bilbao would be worth getting too then. I've been fixing a broken drain in the garden tonight. Horrible, smelly job. If that doesn't warrant a new app then I don't know what does.

    Is sample import from Dropbox working in Bilbao now?

  • Drains! We don't have those here'n America. Nor gardens much neither, now I come to think of it...

    Just imported from Dropbox into Bilbao with no problems (Air1/8.3).

  • Cheers for the confirmation, I'm going to buy it in a minute (no procrastinating on this one, probably). I'll put up some photos of my drain repair later.

  • @monzo said:
    Cheers for the confirmation, I'm going to buy it in a minute (no procrastinating on this one, probably). I'll put up some photos of my drain repair later.

    No, no, no no no. No pictures. Ambient drone interpretation including section representing old jeans ruined and split, dogs leaving in disgust, the look of true love as she closed the door in your face and finally a reprise featuring a somewhat upbeat stillson wrench....

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    No, no, no no no. No pictures. Ambient drone interpretation including section representing old jeans ruined and split, dogs leaving in disgust, the look of true love as she closed the door in your face and finally a reprise featuring a somewhat upbeat stillson wrench....

    Ok, give me 5 minutes...

  • Enough of this, I think I'm just gonna get it if Monzo gets it and that'll be that

  • edited April 2015

    Whoah, you run with a fast and dangerous crowd Mister K.... :)

  • Jesus, looks so sick. I have so many mono synths but if this goes on sale its all mine!

  • @kobamoto said:
    Enough of this, I think I'm just gonna get it if Monzo gets it and that'll be that

    I didn't get Bilbao last night so Cyclop is back on the cards...

    I watched the Bilbao vids, or vid as it was (Doug's) about 7 times, then just before hitting the buy button played Korgs sound demo. After a few minutes of limp samples later I went back and mucked about with Abu Dhabi for half an hour with my own samples. I was impressed, and have decided that even though Bilbao is a nice sample player, AD can be coaxed to do a lot of the same for now, and the £8 could go towards something that actually creates the samples in the first place. I wouldn't really use the ones it comes with.

    Then when I have a quiet app buying month (as this one is getting decidedly noisy) I can add B to Gadget to complete the set.

    The Tricky Economics of App Buying, a new book by Monzo Thing

  • edited April 2015

    I hope Cyclop is free on holiday! So many folks like it! No begrudge from me.

  • Maybe all this indecisiveness will be gone when that other monosynth drops. I just hope it'll support iPad4.

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