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Ok,just quickly could someone help me please.Ive just finished a vocal comp that I really like but I have a slight hiss/noise on it (not sure why but anyway).im not familiar with gates but are they the answer to get rid of it? I use Auria & vocalive.I saw Johnny talking about using something called 'audition'?? Any help would be amazing thanks guys.
A gate will cut the noise out in the silences between phrases, but if you have audible hiss when the vocals are playing then a gate can't fix that. Audition might help there but I don't have any experience. If it's really bad you might have to record the vocals again.
In a DAW it's usually better and cleaner to just cut out the silent bits of the audio track rather than using a gate, just trim all the dead parts of the track.
@LostBoy85 Audition can help, very good at noise reduction, but it usually gets applied to everything so you need to be a bit lucky/good with applying. I would agree with Richard that the best route is a redo unless you have the killer performance that will never be equaled etc. For all of that, unless the noise is very over-bearing, keep in mind that we who sang it are far more sensitive to every little bit of something or other compared to the average listener, especially once you slap some tickle (technical term) all over the track etc.
Aha! Thanks guys! Yeah I'm not afraid of the retake it's just I did a load of takes in my car the other day and I've just been sifting through them all.Im a bit annoyed it even happened but hey ho! I will check out Audition and failing that il just go again.Cheers again!:)
Johnny please can u link that audition app for me,I'm being a douche bag and can't seem to find it.ta!
@LostBoy85 Sorry mate, I was being unclear.....Audition is part of the Adobe CC thingie (desktop).
Oh I see.No worries mate.Thanks anyway:)
Thanks for the kind words LostBoy
This bit I think is the best part of the club, not the ice creams (although..) I find when I'm listening to other people's work for comment, that I'm focussing on the areas which are weakest in my own, if that makes sense? The learning to listen bit is as important as the fun playing stuff. Dunno, now I'm rambling, but I'm getting a lot more out of this than I expected.
Time to go and catch up with all the tracks over the next couple of days..
@monzo - This must be what Freddy Krueger puts on the ol' turntable after a long day at the office. Great horror-inspired ambient chill. It was very easy and relaxing to listen to, in a slightly demented sort of way.
More horrorscapes, please!
@bsantoro sm-dnb has some interesting, almost jazzy chord progressions and a lot of skittering kinetic energy. I had some mixed feelings regarding your lead synth voice of choice at first. It seemed a bit shrill, almost brittle at times. But by the end of the track, either it had warmed up to me or vice-versa.
Lots of detail and attention clearly paid during this recording. Very nice work! A word of caution ... I fear filter sweeps are becoming to EDM what the dive bomb harmonic whammy bar trick became for heavy metal about 25 years ago. Really nifty the first 50 or so times you hear it.
Then again I could just be bitter because I never properly learned the dive bomb harmonic whammy bar trick
@LostBoy85 oh yes, forgot to mention. I think Audacity, the free and open source sample waveform editor, has a noise removal feature. Haven't used it much but might be worth a try.
OK, times up. I've been inundated with a grand total of 0 answers... so no cupcakes for any of you.
It's Obama.
I would never have guessed... So wasn't about to earn a cupcake.
From a speech in Virginia during the election campaign, found on the fabulous freesound.org.
I think we did mention that the first rule of freesound was not to mention freesound...
Thanks, I'll see what I can do
Very nice instrumental! Harkens back, in all the right ways, to 70's instrumentals you would sometimes hear in the middle of an album. Loved the dissonant section towards the end! Really, really good. And the ending with descending pitch fading out. Tasty!
I look forward to hearing more of your stuff!
The bit where I leave uninvited comments for my club comrades, part 1,
@LostBoy85 - Supanova.
I thought I read recently that you record your vocals with the iPad built-in mic? If true, that is an astonishing feat to get them sounding so good. The standard issue pop you sing over is reasonably authentic and sits well under your singing. It's a great commercial sound and nice to hear you pushing your voice a little more. I look forward to the results of the collaborations with other team members you have been discussing.
@AlterEgo_UK - What Have You Done?
Great to see and hear you joining in the club. Have enjoyed many of your postings on the forum and many styles you tackle. On this track your guitar work starts off fairly pleasant but the backing is a bit too "drum machine" and doens't help to lift the guitar like it should. Really love the switch up at the 2 minute-ish and there is a real feel of of "here we go..!" so I was a bit disappointed that it settled back to the mellower refrain from the first half. I would have liked it to take off and lose a bit of the control at that point. Still good stuff!
@eustressor - Edge of september
Perversely, your track is like the mirror of AlterEgo_UK's. The drums are very natural sounding but the piano runs I couldn't get on with at all. They sounded over quantized and came across as simple running up and down scales. I did, however, enjoy the sections where you played chords, they suggested more of a musical progression/theme and somehow had more 'feel' to them.
@Monzo - Pine Cone Pt 3
Almost perfectly formed slice of soundtrack Monzo. Found this very easy to float along with and listened to several times. You don't hear me say this about many tracks but I would have been quite happy if it had been longer and more drawn out. Some of the 'moments' I would have preferred to stick around. If I was to offer any real kind of suggestion I think you could play with the drama a little more. It would be nice to hear a Pt 4 where you varied
the dynamics, even to the point where it might nearly disappear and reappear.
@Marcel - Goodbye my love
It's a shame you deleted the first version of this. I went back to find it just now and was kind of sad that it was gone because I had a notion that I preferred the original, the way it felt like bursting in on a conversation in full flow. Your music has a beautifully lyrical quality but I think this first section of the new version is weak compared to the rest of the song. I really got caught up in the call and response vocals and the way
that they switched between the close and far away singing.
@bsantoro - SM-dnb
I wasn't hugely excited after hearing the fairly generic nature of this kind of track but after around 30 seconds it got a lot more interesting and I became a lot more involved with the interplay of that big wafty, almost overpowering synth lead with the underlying music. It got quite confusing with the rapid chord changes in the middle but when the lead came in again it started another pleasing section of toying with the flow of the track and a good finish. I will go and have another few listens because I think you created something a lot more interesting this time. I just wish the rhythm section mixed it up a bit more.
@JohnnyGoodyear - I am the big I am
My daughter was watching a promo for a brand of youth makeup the other day. The promo involved a young woman made up to look like a robot who pulls a few mysterious, pouty poses and finishes by staring into the camera and announcing "My eyes are so punky!".
Not saying your song was trite. It struck me as emulating something that was an emulation in the first place. 80s post-punk pop is what it leans towards and does it very well. There is a very rugged humour to it but I think you might want to practice some of the more involved vocal lines before you take it out on the road. This runs the risk of being the big popular hit that everyone wants to hear but you hate to play because it doesn't represent your regular pieces..
@richardyot - This is just a test
It's no excuse saying it is just a test! You're going to get the same level of comments as everyone else..
It's funny. When you first started posting tracks, the out of tune-ness and sometimes dodgy timing actually added some humanity to your songs. You have a good sense of how to write a catchy tune and it's good to see you operating outside your comfort zone a little, but I would like to see you bring back a bit of the human-ness. I realise this isn't necessarily a statement of future intent from you and it's probably early days but it is something to think on and something I struggled/struggle with.
I'll get to the rest of the contributions tomorrow night, so many!
@jocphone Wow! Now that's some thoughtful feedback for everyone! Thanks for putting in the time mate.
@Jocphone Excellent post, fair-minded and a great balance between carrot and stick
This ad hoc club is about the responses, as much as the songs really, and I find a good sense of camaraderie in the honest exchange. We are after all doing a version of our best...
More specifically (me, me, me) I thing you're about right in your take on 'The Big I Am'. They're going to hate the unplugged, slow and post-ironic version
I have been tempted to put the work in (read: sing it 100 times and nail the scanning/rhythm) but I'm instead going to follow a previous thought for all of these things and put it away for six months of other pieces before I think about what/if to do with it etc.
Thanks so much for your contribution.
@Jocphone - wow thanks for the complementary feedback! My recent tracks are a bit short, I think I get a bit nervous in Auria and try and get out of there as quickly as possible before it crashes! I'm working on a new one though and will take your comment into consideration and try to evolve things a bit more. Most of the stuff I put on here are throwaway sketches, but maybe if I took a bit more time over them they could be developed into a proper thing.
@Jocphone. Thanks for the constructive feedback, mate. Much appreciated. Thanks also for taking the time to listen to my other tracks!
@LostBoy85, @JohnnyGoodyear, @monzo, @AlterEgo_UK apart from the bit where I wince and press submit, I thoroughly enjoy the whole process of this club and am equally grateful for you posting your work for public disection.
I think I have used that defense move a few times too.
No, that bits almost true. I've played in bands, and used to do a lot of desktop recording - all of this I considered more finished. Pretty much all of the stuff on my Soundcloud page though is experimental fun and games recorded quickly on the iPad. My intention was always to use the iPad as a sketch tool, and then build on stuff that worked on the laptop or desktop, adding live instruments, vocals, soft synths etc. in Logic or Maschine. Obviously though I've never bothered, and so recently (encouraged by this thread) the stuff I do on the iPad is becoming more of the finished article. I think that's probably why I'm getting more frustrated by the crashes and bugs - previously it was all a live, drunken jam of madness whereas now I'm trying to do it properly. Funnily enough I prefer the last few things I've done on the iPad to the desktop stuff I used to do, so things are definitely evolving in the right, though sometimes grumpy, direction.
Thanks @Jocphone, @eustressor, and @richardyot for taking the time to lend a critical ear to my pieces. Your constructive criticism has helped me improve my approach to making compositions.
I imagine my approach is different than most. I usually improvise a long drum part, using Launchpad or other drum app into a track in Cubasis. Then I start adding improvised, long synthesizer parts into Cubasis; usually again, in one take. I sometimes rehearse the improvised part a number if times before recording the improvised part, for a final take on that track.
Then comes the hard part. I chop bad sections out in Cubasis by splitting the audio track. This helps me build a critical ear; and I am getting faster and faster at it. Then, if the second track is a bass line, for instance, I might then add an improvised chordal section on the next track. I repeat the chopping process to improve the compostion. I then keep adding tracks, like leads or accents.
This approach is different from premeditating a clearly thoughtout chord progression. Sometimes it gets a little messy, or confusing in parts; especially when I add more than three tracks.
@Jocphone Thank you for the feedback. You mentioned the "sketch" defense, has anyone used the "I'm no keyboardist" defense?
I appreciate your honesty regarding the scales feeling over quantized. I'm glad it got a bit better for you in the mellower, verse sections and pleased you thought the drums sounded natural. Thanks!
The bad thing about Jocphone's epic posting is following it, the good thing is I have very little to add.
@LostBoy85 - Supanova. I think the vocals make the song for me. It's like a New Order anthem - without their particular vocal to bring it to a more personal level, all,that energy and wall of sound wouldn't mean very much to me, if you understand what I'm trying to say.
@AMultitudeOfOne - What Have I Done? You do something I would love to achieve, which is to feel like there is a group of musicians involved in this song (I'm guessing there isn't?). It seems a little meandering sometimes, I was waiting for something to happen on occasion, but when it did it was worth it. Maybe it' she long version of an edited single?
@Eustressor - Edge of September. An odd mix of instruments and riffs for me. I'm learning how to use the keyboard in composition at the moment and this was interesting to listen to from that context. Not entirely sure everything 'works' all the time, but the creativity and playfulness really helps to keep me interested.
More later (kids are finally asleep and it's that magic moment!).
Pretend it never happened, then go for it.
Sure, I can lay claim to having produced a good quantity of dodgy opinions, dubious advice and blatant bias but I wouldn't let that put you off. In fact I'd recommend the process to everyone who cares to explore their own motivations in writing music by the act of critiquing others.
I think this is a great point actually. Hadn't really thought it through (natch
, but there is something about the -honest- process of lending your ears and trying to critique productively without BS that can lead one to thinking 'well, I too need to work on my own melody/narrative/mixing' or 'this guy puts a lot more effort in to x, y or z and maybe I should think about that as well...'. Unintended consequences etc. All good.
OK, round 2, ding ding!
@TouchConspiracy - Mystic Law rough edit dnb
Have listened to your track a handful of times now and I can recognise that it sounds familiar it didn't really reveal any particular signature that would make me think "ah that must be one of TouchConspiracy's" if I heard it again. There were some interesting bland of sounds and textures, the soft booming bass grounded the track well and there was plenty happening but lacked a real melodic hook maybe. Or it could be that I just need to hear a bit more of your work.
@u0421793 - Our Robot Future
Why do future robots sound like old blippy bloppy synthesizers from 60s TV shows? It's funny how simple sounds can have such shared cultural meaning.
I like it and I think Ian McNaught-Davis would have approved.
@bsantoro - sm newjazz sidestick
Oh no! Seems to be missing from the link on the front page of the thread.
@Fitz - In the moment
Enjoyed the instrumentation on this. From the understated percussion to the slightly wistful trumpetty sort of lead line, all the parts sit really well. I also enjoyed the way the melody developed. There is always a temptation with a short tune to say 'it could have been longer' but I actually thought the brevity worked well right up to the slightly abrupt ending.
@Igneous1 - Discerning space
Very professional sounding mix with lots of interesting little details, like the gritty footsteps near the start. My main issue though is that, although it introduces many changes throughout the piece, nothing really remarkable ever seems to happen. Many of the sounds are quite presetty. If this music is supposed to work as background then that is fine but I would be tempted to add a bit of excitement to it, to keep the listener alert.
@bsantoro - sm newjazz sidestick2
I read your response to the earlier discussion, about your working method, where you were talking about jamming to create these tracks (albeit by one person) with some after the fact editing. It is pretty interesting to hear the background working methods involved and I guess your approach of hitting record and going for it, much like Flo26 and a few others on the forum tends to produce a certain kind of structure to your work.
I think this is something that is more interesting to other musician/players and can feel a bit formless compared to the standard pop song. Nothing wrong with that and your a good player but I'm curious what it might sound like if you were to deliver something more structured?
@Jocphone - Slot slot some Adelivery
This obsession with snippets of Joy Division songs has got to stop! The bass sound is a bit sluggish for the rest of the track and although it's quite
lively in headphones, I listened to it again and it sounds rubbish in mono, all out of time. And the "I thought the guide track sounded so good that
I didn't sing" excuse aint going to cut it next time.
@MattFletcher2000 - One word
Gotta agree with the others the bass in the first section is quite something. I saw this song as working in 3 sections.
After a good intro that builds at a steady pace, you really pushed the middle section and it is a thrilling ride to follow
all the little threads in there. If there was any downside it would be that the third and last section fizzled out a little.
If this was intended to be down tempo after the madness of the middle section then it could have gone further down/much more mellow.
Don't get me wrong though, this is a minor criticism and rest of the track carried it easily. Up to your usual high standard.