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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:
    Midi export! 🤩🤩🤩 Ok, now I will definitely learn this app. Channel routing has been the biggest gaff for me. Any way we can get an undo button for when I forget to change to a different clip for recording?

    Eh? there is an undo button. B)

    Where? I admit I have tried this app maybe a handful of times and I really want to love it. It has a lot of cool features but I keep getting roadblocked. Admittedly I think it's my own impatience. Undo would make it much easier to continue from my blunders. Where exactly is it? Also does it undo like ableton or like atom? I love atom but wish the undo would undo notes that were played in.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2020

    @TimRussell said:
    Am I right in thinking the ‘Matrix’ IAP is basically a piano roll?
    If so, how does it compare to Atom/what we know about Atom 2?

    It also allows you to launch and loop clips as you would in Modstep, Ableton Live, GarageBand or Zenbeats ... if you're familiar with any of those. Each "piano roll" is a cell in a grid. When you tap the grid the clip starts playing. if you tap the a cell in the row at the far right, all clips in that row play. Only one cell from each track (column) plays at once. Each track can go to a different midi channel.

    There are other tools available as IAP purchases, such as a keyboard, chords module, midi controllers (knobs, faders, buttons), and pads.

    If you use Ableton Live, it can be a remote controller for it.

  • @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:
    Midi export! 🤩🤩🤩 Ok, now I will definitely learn this app. Channel routing has been the biggest gaff for me. Any way we can get an undo button for when I forget to change to a different clip for recording?

    Eh? there is an undo button. B)

    Where? I admit I have tried this app maybe a handful of times and I really want to love it. It has a lot of cool features but I keep getting roadblocked. Admittedly I think it's my own impatience. Undo would make it much easier to continue from my blunders. Where exactly is it? Also does it undo like ableton or like atom? I love atom but wish the undo would undo notes that were played in.

    Thanks for that. It looks like it doesn't undo notes played in though. Bummer.

  • @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:

    @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:
    Midi export! 🤩🤩🤩 Ok, now I will definitely learn this app. Channel routing has been the biggest gaff for me. Any way we can get an undo button for when I forget to change to a different clip for recording?

    Eh? there is an undo button. B)

    Where? I admit I have tried this app maybe a handful of times and I really want to love it. It has a lot of cool features but I keep getting roadblocked. Admittedly I think it's my own impatience. Undo would make it much easier to continue from my blunders. Where exactly is it? Also does it undo like ableton or like atom? I love atom but wish the undo would undo notes that were played in.

    Thanks for that. It looks like it doesn't undo notes played in though. Bummer.

    It does for me? I seem to be misunderstanding you.

  • edited October 2020

    I played in notes with lk chorder. When I hit undo, it removed the entire clip instead of just the notes. Atom has a similar functionality where the undo only effects drawing in or functions such as quantize etc.

    Which this isn't such a big deal with atom because each synth is routed specifically to each instance of Atom. It's easy to go in and clear the few flubbed notes.

    But it's quite different with lk because I don't realize I'm recording over the same clip until it loops and at that point, I have to start over on 2 clips, or tediously go back and remove each note. Either way it's a buzz kill and I almost immediately exit aum and just use atom.

  • @Lil_Stu07 said:
    I played in notes with lk chorder. When I hit undo, it removed the entire clip instead of just the notes. Atom has a similar functionality where the undo only effects drawing in or functions such as quantize etc.

    Which this isn't such a big deal with atom because each synth is routed specifically to each instance of Atom. It's easy to go in and clear the few flubbed notes.

    But it's quite different with lk because I don't realize I'm recording over the same clip until it loops and at that point, I have to start over on 2 clips, or tediously go back and remove each note. Either way it's a buzz kill and I almost immediately exit aum and just use atom.

    I think if you stop recording, then start a new recording session, it only undoes the last notes recorded. But, sounds like you just don’t get along with LK. nothing wrong with that.

  • @wim said:

    @Lil_Stu07 said:
    I played in notes with lk chorder. When I hit undo, it removed the entire clip instead of just the notes. Atom has a similar functionality where the undo only effects drawing in or functions such as quantize etc.

    Which this isn't such a big deal with atom because each synth is routed specifically to each instance of Atom. It's easy to go in and clear the few flubbed notes.

    But it's quite different with lk because I don't realize I'm recording over the same clip until it loops and at that point, I have to start over on 2 clips, or tediously go back and remove each note. Either way it's a buzz kill and I almost immediately exit aum and just use atom.

    I think if you stop recording, then start a new recording session, it only undoes the last notes recorded. But, sounds like you just don’t get along with LK. nothing wrong with that.

    I want to. I love all the features that have been added and seems similar to ableton workflow. And I admit it's mostly user error, but it hasn't seemed too forgiving thus far.

    After I posted I went back and tried stopping the clip and recording in after. Same result. Undo removed the whole clip.

  • edited October 2020

    I just bought this and have a few questions. Why can’t you copy and paste a clip into a blank row (ie. one with no clips in it)? I assumed that you would be able to paste into a blank space and the clip would then appear there, but no. Or that you would be able to double tap into a blank row/scene to create a new clip. But it seems like you have to create a whole new scene before you can copy and paste anything. Is that right?

    Also, is there a way to set a default bar length for a new clip? Or to record a clip that extends until you stop recording? Clips defaulting to one bar and with no extend recording seems like an oversight if there’s no way to get around it, and is a bit of a workflow killer unless you set everything up in advance.

    My biggest question, though, is why can’t you extend the viewable clips area? The moveable clip handle (revealing the piano roll and clip properties) moves all the I/O stuff up the screen and obscures scenes as it does so (which is the wrong priority IMO), but there is (seemingly) no ability to increase the number of scenes you can see at once and collapse the I/O info. Surely once you’ve set the I/O to your liking, there’s no reason to have it on screen at all! Seems like a weird design decision from a usability standpoint. Surely there’s a way to get rid of all the I/O info and still be able to record into a clip, AND have more clips available to see at once? Maybe there could be a similar handle to the clip handle, which extends the number of scenes available and collapses the I/O instead. (EDIT: The ‘MIDI’ button collapses this! I thought that switched it back into Ableton Live mode for some reason, but apparently not. Hooray!)

    Once I managed to get the AUv3 window into a size position (by manually dragging) where I couldn’t move it or get out of it so I was completely stuck, though I guess this is more of an AUM issue!

    Hopefully there are already answers for most of these, and it’s just noob user error! Some pointers would be appreciated.

  • edited November 2020

    Just trying out Chorder in an attempt to fully embrace LK. Can anyone tell me how to change the root note? I’ve learnt all sorts of things trying, but I can’t seem to get out of C.

    EDIT: no, not possible to change root note at this moment in time.

  • Bought! And if by some miracle all the other IAPs go on sale soon… Maybe for Black Friday, I’ll buy the rest of them!

  • edited October 2020

    @WillieNegus Honestly LK is a great sequencing app. For users who enjoyed Modstep and like the Clips model of doing things in AUM will love LK.

    I know that the devs are working on an update to get clip launching working with the LaunchPad X. Right now it works with the Akai Mini.

    What i love about LK is @sinosoidal focus and care for the app. We’ve seen a lot of great updates recently and i know they will deliver in the future.

    As far as sequencing external gear with BM3 you just need to stick a silent sample on the Pad you want to play from and it then allows you to route to external gear (not sure why they haven’t fixed this it’s so weird).

    There are a few quality of life enhancements LK needs but i am sure they will appear before we know it. Let me know if you have any specific questions or want to see a workflow beyond what I’ve posted on my YouTube Channel.

    Blessings and joy to all 🙏🏼👊🏼

    Update Requests:
    . Ability to record to a FREE length sequence instead of being bound to a fixed length
    . Ability to UNDO/REDO notes entry
    . Allow Clips to be created if ARMED and empty and user begins entering notes during Playback/Record
    . Ability to set Keyboard Scale to Per Track or Global

    I am sure others will have a few more but these are the ones I’ve noticed so far. None of these are show stoppers and would be nice to have.

  • I've just been getting familiar with LK and would like to see a 'fold' option for notes when scales are used.
    The 'red dots' are a nice touch so a fold option shouldn't be that hard to add?
    (Maybe it's there, I've yet to do any RFTM on this, just getting to know it intuitively).

  • @Samu

    Yeah. The FOLD feature is also a nice one.

  • I have a question about clip launching. Is it possible to set a particular clip to be triggered by a particular note trigger. One of the cool things in ModStep is the ability for pretty much anything you can tap to be mapped via MIDI learn.

  • @echoopera said:
    @Samu

    Yeah. The FOLD feature is also a nice one.

    Other 'gotchas' that I've bumped to are (maybe it doesn't make sense but I'll share anyway!).

    If I make a selection of notes and want to remove just one note from the selection it doesn't work properly?!
    (ie. all notes get deleted).

    Logically 'Shift Tap' on a note should remove the note from selection and doing a 'Shift Selection' could remove the newly selected notes from the existing selection (ie. Invert Selection). I know 'Shift' can be used to add notes to a selection but not remove them from the selection.

    Currently tapping on any selected note with or without shift just deletes them :(

    Other selection options would be, 'Shit Tap' on a piano note to select all notes and use shift tap to add / remove notes from the selection, super handy for selecting for example all Hi-Hats or Snares in a pattern for further editing.

    @sinosoidal Maybe some of the above is already being worked on?

    Should I bump into any more gotchas I'll share them here...
    Cheers!

  • I just got the Matrix iap, this looks very promising for anyone doing AUM jams etc. The functionality has improved quite a bit just in the last months! Kudos.

    CC automation is my favorite part. @WillieNegus, I find BM3 to still crash often when doing any editing related to CC curves, so this in itself is one good reason to get it. Imagine setting up some default CC curves (linear growth, sine etc) in multiple clips, then save this as an AUM channel template. Now you can immediately bring some movement to any AUM jam, with very little effort, and easily launch different automation variations, using the clips.

    @sinosoidal I suggest you make the app easier to get into for first-time users by displaying the piano roll upon launch by default. Now, a user may wonder whether he needs to tap or double tap the clip to see the piano roll, then tap or double tap the scene launch on the right side to see if that exposes the piano roll, then finally discover that hidden bar you need to drag. Or maybe just have a "Drag here" animation going the first time.

  • @sinosoidal The 'Quantise' and 'Duplicate Selection' buttons are missing in the Matrix editor both in AUv3 and Stand Alone...
    iPad Air 2, iPadOS 14.1

  • edited October 2020

    Some CC feature requests:

    • Now you can tap a linear segment and drag it up/down. Would be really nice if you also could drag left/right to change the curvature between the two points, from logarithmic to linear to exponential in varying degrees (default as linear, maybe a long tap to open a reset menu).
    • The left side has this small dropdown box where you select which CC number (or velocity) to look at. Would be really nice if there could be a second box here, where you select some other CC number, and have that displayed at the same time. Purpose: properly align some CC changes, related to the other CC. I suggest that the current box could have a red font, corresponding to the red automation curve we now have, and the secondary box could have a grey font and grey line. Only the red line can be edited.
  • Another small request, on the Notes edit panel: In addition to "Select all", "Deselect all", it could be useful with a "Select 2nd" for selecting every second note, especially for adjusting high hat velocities etc.
    Hm, not sure what it would mean for other melodic sequences with overlapping notes ... :)

  • @Samu said:
    @sinosoidal The 'Quantise' and 'Duplicate Selection' buttons are missing in the Matrix editor both in AUv3 and Stand Alone...
    iPad Air 2, iPadOS 14.1

    They have been moved to the note tools section:

  • Half/Double-Tempo to Midi Tools could come in handy.

  • @Samu said:

    Other selection options would be, 'Shit Tap' on a piano note to select all notes and use shift tap to add / remove notes from the selection, super handy for selecting for example all Hi-Hats or Snares in a pattern for further editing.

    Or perhaps this: tap and hold a piano note, then tap Select all in the Note tools to select all of this particular note. That would also work well for my “Select 2nd” suggestion.

  • @White said:

    They have been moved to the note tools section:

    Thanks, I found them. This must have changed in the latest update?

  • @WillieNegus said:
    My question is how stable is LK? Is it CPU intensive? If so, what seems to be the sweet spot in terms of how many AU synths one could expect to run on iPad Pro 10.5 2018?

    TBH, it's crashed on me twice now, losing work in progress. This was in AUM and happened when adding an AU plugin. the LK window wasn't open or running, but got invalidated when I added the plugin. So, now I know to save the AUM session before adding plugins. Next time it happens I'll be more diligent and send crash logs to the developer.

    There's also a bug where when you play a three note chord, the length gets sustained to like a quarter-note even though I only tap the chord. It only happens on three note chords, and it happens with any on-screen keyboard (LK's, AUM's, KB-1). The developer says it's an iOS bug they haven't been able to run down, but I don't recall it happening with any other app. Weird.

    Other than that, which I can live with for now, it's great.

  • Are the iaps on sale?

  • @Liquidmantis said:
    Another awesome update!
    Any videos showing the MPC Mini support? I don't have one, but they're cheap enough that I'd consider getting one to play with. I do, however, have a LPX and OG LP Pro, so depending on the timeline for them to be supported I could just wait.

    We should do a new video during the following week to highlight the new features.

    But I strongly advise you to wait a bit. We just got an LPX in the office with that goal.

    It's funny, LPX is my dj nick name for more than 17 years now -> https://soundcloud.com/sinosoidal

    :blush:

  • @Lil_Stu07 said:
    I played in notes with lk chorder. When I hit undo, it removed the entire clip instead of just the notes. Atom has a similar functionality where the undo only effects drawing in or functions such as quantize etc.

    Which this isn't such a big deal with atom because each synth is routed specifically to each instance of Atom. It's easy to go in and clear the few flubbed notes.

    But it's quite different with lk because I don't realize I'm recording over the same clip until it loops and at that point, I have to start over on 2 clips, or tediously go back and remove each note. Either way it's a buzz kill and I almost immediately exit aum and just use atom.

    I think we are not making the recorded notes undable. Something to fix on the next version. The reason it has deleted the whole clip is probably because the last action was create a clip.

  • @echoopera said:

    Update Requests:
    . Ability to record to a FREE length sequence instead of being bound to a fixed length

    Let's schedule this for next version.

    . Ability to UNDO/REDO notes entry

    Manual notes entry is one undo/redo stack, recorded notes not. We will schedule this for next version.

    . Allow Clips to be created if ARMED and empty and user begins entering notes during Playback/Record

    This sounds like a wild free mode. Without even triggering the desired slot?

    @echoopera as always thanks for your incredible feedback.

  • @Samu said:
    I've just been getting familiar with LK and would like to see a 'fold' option for notes when scales are used.
    The 'red dots' are a nice touch so a fold option shouldn't be that hard to add?
    (Maybe it's there, I've yet to do any RFTM on this, just getting to know it intuitively).

    This is an highly requested feature. Let's consider it for the next version.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I have a question about clip launching. Is it possible to set a particular clip to be triggered by a particular note trigger. One of the cool things in ModStep is the ability for pretty much anything you can tap to be mapped via MIDI learn.

    We know that not everyone has a launchpad or akai grid controller available. Doing a global midi assignment mechanism might be a complex task. We need to think about this a little.

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