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@touchconspiracy it should be said/noted (admitted!) that I did nothing more than mutter a few lines dustily into my sleeve. @Matt_Fletcher_2000 was the head cook, bottle washer, hall monitor and head boy prefect also.
Cool track.. Back in morning for another listen and coms.. .
Thanks mate. Yes the drums are from some samples by Omar Hakim and they fitted nicely.
the tune started as an acoustic guitar progression just to practice some intervals and non standard chord shapes etc. but it sounded real nice to my ears and so the rest followed from that.
It's not my normal style but then I don't know if I even have a style
Glad you liked it.
LOVE IT
reminds me of some 4 Hero stuff from a while back and they are one of my fav bands so this is a dream track for me.
Well, I've been making music as a hobby for about 10 years now and d'n'b is one of my favourite genres, but I also write techno, trance and experimental stuff.
Last two years I've been more interested in sound design, if you are interested, here are the links to some of my releases:
https://myossound.bandcamp.com/
http://99sounds.org/dark-engine/
My entry for the month:
It's pretty funereal, I was aiming for something melancholy but it ended up being a little gloomier than that. I'm not happy with the chorus melody, I don't like it, but I couldn't get the right balance between sad and catchy, anything catchy sounded too happy.
lyrics here if anyone's interested, I worked hard on these so they are better than last month's:
http://www.itchy-animation.co.uk/lyrics/a-box-of-things.txt
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 I really like that track, the collaboration has obviously worked really well. The music's great and complements the spoken word brilliantly. Nice progression that seems to organically evolve around the words, the stops and starts really help to emphasize the words and gives meaning to the whole thing.
I like the poem too, and Johnny's voice sounds great.
Musically my favourite bit is the insistent synth riff that comes in at 2.50, it's edgy and hooky at the same time and really cool. The rhythms are great too.
It's amazing what a difference having a human voice makes to a track though, this is a great track anyway, but the spoken word gives it much more substance and makes it really interesting to listen to.
@richardyot I agree with you that Matt did good work on this one. As for the spoken word gives it much more substance let me assure you I am nothing if not substantial
And that's before getting on the plane this afternoon with the explicit intention of eating my way through the Biggleswade Waitrose for a week before finding out exactly how many Belgium Waffles a man can consume if given five days of nothing much else to do in Brussels but that. I have given myself the budget of a stone (14 pounds in American, six and a half kilos in new money). It will likely not be enough. Already working on next month's SOTMC entry, tentatively titled: "The Night Is Young And You Are Enormous Blues".
But you look so slim in that photo you posted in the other thread...
Thirty years ago and twenty of those spent eating my way around the generously-proportioned U S of A.
@richardyot Interesting, I prefer the chorus to the verse, as regards melody/tune. Perhaps it is/was your bias or lack of confidence in the chorus that led you away from using it more. Understandable, but an opportunity missed in my opinion. I would have like it repeated at least once, but maybe more so at the end. More bitter perhaps, more insistent. Your voice lends itself to the lachrymose a little, when a little more steel-in-the-broken-heart might pull it along. BUT I think this is a matter of interpretation more than material crit. I also understand, in the work of these things, that it's easier to go the extra mile when the energy is up (in other words when we feel good or convinced about the piece we're working on).
I think (and this is likely personal taste rather than having any basis in musical theory etc) that you have an occasional tendency to sing 'up' at the end of some lines (well, I guess one only has the choice of going up, down or staying put
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A strand of hair
.....
A box of things
etc.
This seems to weaken the line or leave it hanging somewhat. I understand that a verse has a tune one follows, but -sometimes- if done too precisely it seems to make things metronomic but not, vocally, in a good way. Perhaps this is a singing/delivery thing. Sorry for my lack of clarity, but I kind of know what I mean.
I like the musical structure and the last third is nice. It feels as though there might be too much reverb, too far away and down the bottom of a pipe, although that makse good sense for the guitar.
I would like to hear this covered by, say, Robert Smith (if he's available) or Leonard Cohen (if awake). In fact I'd quite like to cover it myself. I feel sure there's more potential in the chorus than you're hearing there....
I can send you the Auria files for you to sing over. I would actually really like to hear another interpretation of this.
(edit) And thanks for the feedback of course, I'll have a think about this tendency to sing up.
Please do. Might even take it into the wardrobe!
Done - can't wait to hear your take
Right-o. The wardrobe might be especially relevant as I don't think I'll drag the Apogee to Blighty. Either that or I'll take a run at it once I'm back in Austin....
No rush!
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 very cool atmospheric track mate! I didn't expect any less tbh:)
I frickin love how you chuck in the tribal stuff from DJ,I think it really adds great character to your stuff...speaking of great characters,nice job Johnny,Did u write that? Or is it a well known piece that illiterate peasants like me are unaware of?:D either way it's well read & Jackanory should be giving you a call shortly!:D only thing that wasn't quite for me was what I felt were too many laser drop thingys towards the end,but hey that's just me.
All in all a fantastic track.Good job mates!
@Richardyot Hey man,Sooo mixed feelings about this one for me.( I know you're not offended by straight talk:) firstly,thanks for posting the lyrics although I must say I could pick up all the words without this time...which is great!:)
Great lyrics! Very sad & the music marrys up well with them.You have sung this very well mate.you may hate me for saying this but you're voice reminds me of one of the BeeGees,Maurice? (Not Barry..sorry:) I won't be the only one who says great job for not piling too many effects on your voice this time.It really does make the song better for it.
Much better vocal production!!:D
Great music as always...
But for me...just not as good a song as previous efforts.You know I love ur other stuff,especially "Sinking slowly" this one just didn't do it for me.I agree with your own thoughts about the chorus and that's really my main critique.
I like a catchy chorus!:) The verse melody is good although I would add a little variation maybe in the third line of each verse to not overuse the main hook.
So there you have it,my honest opinion.Great lyrics,great production/singing,
it just needs a better chorus...for me:D
@Richardyot Loved it. Think the voice is great. The music and vocals match perfectly for the feeling, gloomy is good.
If you're passing through Wales I have a small cupboard and an iRig Pro you can borrow...
@LostBoy85 thanks, I agree with your assessment - writing is a numbers game, write a hundred songs and hope that maybe ten of them good. This month was a miss, but next month might be better.
Mind you, if JohnnyGoodyear does his own version of it, he might be able to improve it with a better performance or a slightly different vocal melody.
Also I think from now on I will always post the lyrics, it might force me to do a better job of them rather than just throwing rhymes at a wall.
@rkmonkey thanks, I like melancholy songs, although for me this one was verging on glum.
@richardyot I think you're being a bit hard on yourself. Your songwriting is coming on in leaps and bounds and this months track is really well written and produced. Excellent groove to the drum track.
Like Johnny, I enjoyed the chorus but agree you maybe should have lowered the last note of the final line to stop it being repetitive. The singing in the verses is a bit strained and follows the guitar line too closely, maybe you could have drawn the vocal lines out a bit, sustained them a little.
But don't beat yourself up about these details. We're all here because we enjoy creating music and we're trying to help each other improve even if we have very different tastes.
Also, I really enjoyed the instrumental sections of both this and your last track, top stuff!
@Richardyot Yeah you're right about the numbers game mate.Also as has already been proven,just cos u & I weren't crazy about this one it doesn't mean others won't like it a lot:)
@Jocphone thanks for the encouragement, but honestly I don't feel as if I'm being hard on myself - I tend to look on my work with complete emotional detachment: I try and assess my own output in the same way I would assess someone else's. So if I am critical of my own efforts it's because I can see the flaws in it, and hopefully improve on them next time.
On the plus side I agree that I've made progress, writing a song every month has made a huge difference. I wish had the time to write a song every week.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000. Passage, very cool track. I'm wondering if you're the same Matt that posted the AniMoog Electribe jam.! Love the intro sounds to Passage and the pitch bent string/pad works nice. @JohnnyGoodyear vocals fit perfectly, sounds like you've really got the mood/feel of the the track spot on. Great drum work although the hi-hats could do with being a bit louder to help the beat flow more in some sections and some of the crash/ride cyms slightly too loud. The bass is good, great arrangement/structure lots of variation. Cool track Matt and Johnny. Cheers
Animoog electribe jam gets a bit loud and crazy in places, but it's always a refreshing feeling when hitting record and just going for it.. Definatly some samples/loops you can pull outta there. You could even solo 'say' the hi hats and then record yourself jamming the delay and decimator dials for some more samples.
Edit-not forgotten everyone else, back later.. Time is 'not' on my side today.
@richardyot
Lots of little memories and sounds and associations come to mind when listening to this track... later Peter Gabriel, The National, The Horrors (a tiny bit), Talk Talk maybe...
I think this is a wonderful, magical track...
The slide guitar is lovely (what are you using please?)...
It's a really sad and moving song - the mix and general 'sound' and 'atmosphere' is fabulous I think...
Ok, so maybe when you go down in pitch at the end of some lines e.g "...of stuff" your voice is possibly a bit broken and wobbly... but everything else sound pretty good and 'raw / vulnerable' sounding.
The solo at about 3.50 that takes the track out is really great I think.
Personally I think this track is a big step forward - it sounds very under-stated and considered and well crafted. Could easily see it accompanying the beginning of a very cool film - with maybe a few improvements to the vocal track.
Wowzers - thanks everyone for your great feedback this month - i'm really appreciative.
@RUncELL - that's some extremely useful advice there - that's the exact kind of thing that's so great to hear for someone still learning. You're totally right that the hats need to come up to produce more flow... Listening again I can hear exactly where this would help. Thanks!
@touchconspiracy -thanks for your comments. I know what you mean about "getting going" - this one doesn't ever break into full DnB mayhem mode. That's partly by design, but it's definitely a fair comment I think.
@dblonde - I'll take "4 Hero" every day of the week
- I think you're being very kind there TBH - but thanks!
@LostBoy - thanks a lot - glad you liked it - and glad you picked up on the DrumJam stuff. I just love that app and it's sounds! HOWEVER... "Too many lazers drops?" I think you're mistaken there - it is quite simply impossible to have too many lazer drop thingies in a spacey drum and bass track...
. The Johnny words simply came from us agreeing we'd do something on the theme of 'time' and Johnny just rattling some stuff off into the mic, in one take I think, that I picked from... that's the sign of true talent... he has a wonderful mastery of words and a great voice.
@Monzo - thanks for appreciating my experimental jam thing - means a lot actually because I really like the crazy textures etc you manage to achieve so I know you have discerning tastes when it comes to such things...
@richardyot - thanks - glad you liked it and that you like the funny pitch bent sound I use for the repeated 'hook' from half way through. I 'umed and ahed' about that patch for a bit actually - I loved it when I made it in Phoenix - but then couldn't decide if it was a bit too weird... but there we go. I think it's a bit like a broken kids toy running out of batteries or something
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@myoss - thanks again for the Chicago patch - it's helped me "get" the use of filter envelops a bit more and it sounds awesome - gonna have some fun around that...
Thanks for the (very positive) feedback. The slide guitar is an actual guitar played with a perspex slide via BIAS FX. The track is a mixture of guitar and Gadget, the verse basically is some guitar swells played with a volume pedal to control the attack, and the chorus is Gadget with some electric piano from Module.
The instrumental section is a mix of synths and a guitar solo played with an E-bow.
Wicked - well I think it's very awesome... Sound-wise I think this is your best track yet. Did you do a lot to it with Auria plugins?
Not on the instruments, a bit of convolution reverb on the Gadget electric piano and probably some Timeless on the guitar swells. Most of the stuff from Gadget I leave as is, and the guitar tone I try and create as much as possible in whatever guitar app I'm using (although I might spice it with some delay and reverb). I usually use FX most on my voice, to everyone's dismay