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@SHAM - Coolin': when I listened to the first 40 secs yesterday I wasn't feeling it much, but this morning it's sounding much better - a nice little hip hop vibe you've got cooked up ... beat could be a little more crunchy for my ears (and maybe the snare & hats a bit louder in mix? sorry, listening on crappy computer speakers...) I would've loved to hear a few bars of a hook with somebody (female preferably) singing a line or two - maybe a sample from an old soul record - that kind of vibe... just to break up the male rapping and give it a little something extra. but overall I enjoyed your track quite a bit.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 - iELECTRIBE + Animoog Jam: don't have much to comment on as this was too experimental for me ...
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 (feat JohnnyGoodyear) - Passage: love the vibe right off the top - great atmosphere! I really like all the minimal snare & hats in the first 1:17 - then it kicks in with a great beat & some great programming/fills. Solid flow, arrangement, and production all around. (Gadget right?) The vocals were very cool, and glad you didn't overuse them.
@richard yot - A Box of Things: i liked the guitars - and general mood of your track, but thought the vocals were a weak point here - in fact as I was listening I was thinking this would work well as an instrumental with some synth melodies over top of it...my favourite part of the song was from the 3:00 mark til the end.
@mrufino1 - Sensitive Core: won't say much other than I love your track! Right up my alley as it's just a groove heavy electronic track with a nice big sound. Love the melody line in it as well. Was it all Gadget? Great stuff!!
Thanks! Yes, all gadget, so far at least. I appreciate the compliment. And I love the titles gadget generates! I usually leave them because they make me laugh.
September SOTMC Feedback:
touchconspiracy - The Realm of Surrender:
Takes a while to build, but it drives along nicely when it does. The kick sound is a good choice and there's a good
mix or darker and lighter elements in the track. It seems a tad long to me, but I'm not that familiar with the
genre and how things tend to build over time. Good track !
dblonde - Uncle Alfie:
Well done - sounds pretty professional all round. I like the rhythm guitar parts particularly and it has quite a
'live' sound. This isn't really my thing, but I appreciate that it works well.
Halftone - Teardown:
Perhaps my favourite track this month, Nicely dark with imaginative use of percussion and it develops nicely
throughout. Has a good tonal selection too.
RUncELL - I do Soundwaves:
I feel the video could be edited to where the track starts and I suspect the recording device used is not doing it
justice regarding the sound on the video. There's a pretty interesting mix of things going on. The video does show
how the track was created, which will be of interest.
LostBoy85 (Feat Marcel) - Wind of Change:
A cool 'rework' of Marcel's track. The vocals are very good (still recorded with the ipad mic ?). In parts, the
guitar parts remind me of the Cure. Yes, in this instance, the vocals do add to the original instrumental as do the
lyrics.
rkmonkey - Bitter Stamp:
Nice energy, perhaps a tad too unpolished in parts. Has quite a 'boxy' sound, but the vocals are nice and clear.
The outro section and the guitar solo works well, but the vocals start to wander pitch-wise somewhat.
myoss - Closed Irritation:
Very well produced - clean and well balanced. Personally, I'd like to hear more poly-rhythmic percussives (but
that's just my preference). The duration is about right, too. Nice to hear a fellow 'head-phonist' get a good mix on
the cans !
SHAM - Coolin':
I really don't know enough about this genre to be able to determine whether is great or not so. All I can say, is
The vocal is too loud, relative to the music, in my view.
Matt_Fletcher_2000 - iELECTRIBE + Animoog Jam:
Full-on electronica ! Gloopy, beaty goodness. Personally, I'd like the track to be a bit 'madder' (looser).
Possibly a bit long, as it seems to ramble on a bit towards the end.
Matt_Fletcher_2000 (feat JohnnyGoodyear) - Passage:
Works very well, overall. I think it would work perhaps as well (if not better) without the D+B stylistics. The
vocal works very well, interspersed in the right places with good levels / reverb, so it sits well in the mix.
The 'drop' @ 1:14 is a goodie, the later solo parts (@ 2:46), I'm less keen on, but the congas are a welcome
addition there.
richard yot - A Box of Things:
A nicely composed minor key affair, with some cool guitar parts and textures. The electric piano is very nice too.
But the vocals tend to sound strained, the double tracked vox less so. The section @ 3:03 works particularly well,
with the spacey guitar sounds.
mrufino1 - Sensitive Core:
I like the rhythmic intro, it has quite the retro EM sound. The drums are a tad stiff and upfront, but the track
builds well and gets even more in EM territory with the synth solo. The returning melodic line work well towards
the end and the outro is nicely imaginative.
So there you go, hopefully, I was constructive ! I tried to limit my comments to technical things, but realised that I had to include my preference as well. Naturally, that's more in the realm of opinions - for what they are worth !
Well done! Epic feedback session.
Time for the October thread to get posted I guess.
Just catching up on a bit of feedback for you last few... sorry for the tardiness
@mrufino1 - yep I like the feel of this a lot. I like the bouncy bassline that runs through most of it, most. The patch seems vaguely reminiscent of something (Dublin?) I can't put my finger on - but anyway - its good.
Like the swirling pads - like the (Berlin?) lead towards the end as it climaxes.
It's perhaps a little bit 'over dramatic' for my tastes (if that makes any sense? - kind of a bit too much 'big Vangelis synths sounds' feel in parts) - but that's just a taste thing - plenty of people like that.
I like the sound effect at the end too!
Impressive work - especially if this is all from Gadget.
@DaveMagoo
Nice! Can't really fault this. Nice sounds, very nice skippy drum and bass beat. Good 'drop outs' and 'back ins' with the drums. All very nicely balanced sound wise... nice build up at towards the drop at 2.30 - I felt tmaybe this drop could have been a bit 'bigger' rather than just ending here - but then it's a pretty chilled out track so fair enough...
@MusicInclusive
Not particularly my thing as a piece of stand alone music to be honest. Very long build up to... well, more build up... (IMO
) - but I did like the quality of sound design and as a kind of hauting soundscape to a scary film it would be spot on.
Thanks! Yes, all gadget so far. I don't remember which synth I used for the pad, I'll have to check. I probably did use Berlin at the end. As for bass, definitely Dublin and most likely the 80's bass patch modified slightly.
If you like it I'd love to send you the file and let you have at it. I'm always interested to see how any ideas I have would match up with other people's ideas. That's true for anything I post that's solely my creation, if anyone hears anything they like and want to take in a cooler direction, please ask and I'll gladly share any files you want.
I'm a bassist and come from a pretty traditional musical upbringing- I was a violinist from age 3-about 13, played in youth orchestras, etc. Also played trombone and tuba, until about 19, was actually a tuba major for one semester in college. My assignment, from the well known tuba player Don Butterfield (he's on tons of recordings from the 50's or so onward, including Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, Mingus, with that killer opening track!), Was to talk to the bass teacher about being a bass major, which I did. Anyway, been fully a bassist ever since, even after I switched to special education as a major. Through all of that, I played bass in heavy metal bands and other styles outside of classical. So, electronica and DJ culture was far from my radar.
That was my long way of saying I know what I know and learn from others, and in the past few years have learned to hand my musical ideas to someone else so we learn from each other.
In fact, I think time to start a thread about that?!
With a month involving a high workload, illness, a robbery and Soundcloud being, well Soundcloud I'm afraid that there wasn't much headspace for creating. Still, I made this little ditty:
All comments welcome (I know it's super late..)
@jocphone this reminds me of playing certain early video games while heavily and psychotropically dosed. Not happy days always, but memorable.
For the record any month that includes robbery and illness confers a pass, but (always looking for the upside) might at some point offer suitably bleak material for the use of...
@Johnnygoodyear there was no real harm done or even experience gained from either. They merely all hampered efforts through accidents of timing.
@Jocophone now that is a tough month. What is the chant or will come to me in my nightmare tonight.
Think Churchill (Winston not the nodding dog)
When I was training as a painter, we were shown a trick whereby you looked at the canvas you had grown blind to, from staring at it for too long, through a mirror. The act of seeing your artwork reversed was like seeing it for the very first time and allowed you to see obvious mistakes that you would otherwise have missed.
I thought the sung words were quite clear. I obviously need an audio equivalent of a mirror..
@Jocphone - another middle of the road pop song? You could have played it a bit less safe.
Could you try a bit harder to put some more unusual sounds in next time?
Think I got it now. Great description with the canvas. I am listening with ear buds and my hearing ain't what it used to be. Good thing is that I have listened many times now and like the canvas.
What can I say? My Stock, Aitken and Waterman records will always be there for me.
@Igneous1 said:
Thanks for the feedback.
Thanks rkmonkey. Though, to be fair, passing the vocal through a compressor, four pitch shifters, a waveshaper, a distortion and reverb has probably obscured the words a smidge
@Jocphone Great title!:) I love how at .22 it sounds like the track is being invaded! Cool! Kudos to you for getting some vocals in mate...however,try as I might I can't figure out what you are singing:) could you please enlighten me? Maybe a little less glitter on the vocals next time may help the words come through a bit clearer,I do get that you wanna mess with them a bit,but if you've got something to say...then I wanna hear it!:D
Otherwise,I enjoyed it mate and good job for getting it done in what sounded like a shitty month for you.
Wow really?! This vocals stuff is hard. I was going for an effect of male voice choir through a battered old wartime speaker but that's kinda lost if no-one can hear what is being sung. Clear as day to me but then I sang them I suppose.
The line is a paraphrasing of the most remembered line of probably Winston Churchill's most famous speech. "We will fight them on the beaches" is what is sung.
Maybe I have found my mirror.
@Jocphone your tracks are getting more accessible by the month, I hope you're not selling out
I like the high pitched noise that comes in alongside the vocal. The vocal is muffled though and the effects on it don't really help it. Mixing your own vocals is always tricky, because although they sound clear as day to you, they're not always that clear to others.
The mirror trick is really useful to allow you to see your artwork with fresh eyes, but sadly there isn't an equivalent in music. Mixing your own music always comes with the risk that your judgement is clouded by your own subjectivity, and when you do your own vocals as well then you can multiply that by a factor of 10 - it's very hard hard to hear your own voice with an impartial ear.
I will worry about that the day I receive a single penny for my music.
Good points Richard but I think there are a few things that I can lean on as a "mirror". The original trick works because you fool your brain into thinking that it hasn't seen this image before. Many people talk about listening to their work on as many different speakers and systems as possible. Listened with the Apple earbuds just now and the singing did sound a bit woolly, so I need to do this a lot more I think, such as in the car and find some more ways to listen.
Also, I think this forum is becoming a massive help, especially as people get more confidence with criticizing each others work.
Thanks for the comments.
I find listening to something first thing in the morning is quite good for getting a new perspective.
Hmm...I think criticising might be the wrong word,but I know what you mean:)
Sure, people can take the negative connotation from the word 'criticize' but I meant it in the positive sense.
Yep, good point. Also going and listening to someone elses music before coming back to your own brings a new focus.
Hi @jocphone. Thanks and sorry to hear of your misfortune, things should only get better, right !.. Your track starts quite normal and then BAm, its blown apart with some crazy sound mangling (exactly what the iPad is great at) and it sounds like you had fun doing it. Some sounds quite loud and some not so.. Contrast is a great thing but a little compression on some of those sounds wouldn't go a miss also. Some careful EQing can bring your vocals out if you desire.. Thanks for postin'.
Thanks @Igneous.. I had to use the recorder in a way, because I'd virtually run out of tracks in Cubasis so I couldn't record the 3 Midi tracks to audio in Cubasis without a lot of headaching. The video was just to show how I used NanoStudio loaded up with Nave sounds and triggered with Cubasis. But I made a Nave video and mixed the track in the end, so everything you see and hear is Nave.
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/10241/track-video-made-using-nave#latest
btw @Igneous I think if there is a winning track for this month then yours is it. Great track. But that's not strictly true, because everyone's a winner
Hi @RUncELL thanks, but I must make clear that I didn' really experience any misfortune, I only mentioned those events as they happened to take up time that I might otherwise have spent making music.
This track was a bit of an experiment. I bought one of the new iPhones and decided to try and make the whole track on it start to finish. I do tend to push instruments to see how they sound on the edge of breaking up and maybe overdo the effects sometimes in the interests of seeing what happens to a track when dominated by less than musical sounds. I tried running the final track through the compressor on that new Finger Beat app but it actually ended up sounding even more extreme. So, in the absence of any kind of mastering app for the iPhone I pushed the raw output from SunVox up to SoundCloud.
Thanks for the comments, specially about EQing the vocals but I suspect a bit more practice singing and recording may help me more.
@Jocphone some fabulously obscure sounds & that mutant merry go round sound that kicks in at 0.23 &1.15 is wonderful. I like it that you push things to the edge to see what happens, like Throbbing Gristle less normal instrument sounds more, well, whatever they did.
Well done on creating it all on a phone. Was it in your vision to make the vocals sound like they have? Inspired title & goes with "Fighting on the beaches," Kerrunch.
Hope those toe rag thieves have had their collars felt. Twats!