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Garage Band Update

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  • @Jakersjaw said:

    @Samu
    You can transpose the AppleLoops by +/- semitones and when importing the loop into a section it matches the root-note set for the section.

    I'll play are with GarageBand once my iPad is done charging :)

    Sorry, I'm a little thick here :smile: but how to do this? Do I have to record a section with smart instruments to set the chords to follow??

    The 'key' for the project is set at the 'wrench' icon where you set tempo, count-in etc.
    All the loops that are added to to tracks will 'match' that key and tempo.

    To transpose the individual appleloops within a project, tap on the appleloop, select settings and adjust semitones.

    As far as i know there is no way to auto-detect what is being played live. It would be cool if Garbage band analysed a piece of recorded audio and figured out the key and tempo.

  • @Halftone said:

    @Lacm1993 said:

    @u0421793 said:
    How or where do I find this “loop launcher” thing? Is it an instrument, or a “mode” or something?

    Create a new song, select "live loops" at the top of the screen. It's only available for the iPad Air, iPad mini 2 and higher.

    little correction: the itunes store description says Live Loops is for ipad 4 or higher - not just Air.

    Ah, so that’s why it is nowhere to be found. Well, it’s probably not necessary anyway.

  • @PhilW said:
    This playing of loops is like playing someone else's music to me. I'm probably very old fashioned, but give me something with a melody and interesting chord changes any time.

    That's more like it ......

  • @PhilW said:
    This playing of loops is like playing someone else's music to me. I'm probably very old fashioned, but give me something with a melody and interesting chord changes any time.

    There is absolutely nothing stopping us from making custom loops :)

    Some day we may even be able to convert our own recordings to 'Appleloops' in Garageband making it possible to transpose and tempo-shift them without any major hassle.

    An option to 'convert/freeze' midi-track(s) to create sample-loops. It is possible to do a 'mixdown' to a new project though and copy back the audio.

    I do also hope we'll see 'adnvaced' options in Garageband soon, like options to edit the recorded FX automation and controller data.data. I mean Garageband records pitchbends and modwheel but there is no editor for them, can't even delete the data without deleting the whole section. Only controller that can be edited is the sustain-pedal.

    It would also be handy to convert 'Smartdrum' generated midi notes to editable data to add custom fills, it's not even possible to copy the midi-notes from a smart-drum track to a regular drum-track.

    If Apple ever releases 'Logic for iPad' i hope it will not be iPad Pro only...

  • @TozBourne said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Strange that they not have added woodwind to the touchinstruments...

    Many have waited years for trumphet, sax, flute etc...

    But, this update looks great!

    No sax, but flute, oboe, clarinet, brass, French horn and more have been added. They are within the "Keyboard" instrument. The flute and brass sounds are mighty fine too!

    Overall a good update, sure it's lacking some items, but at the price...hard to beat.

    Oooh! Missed that, like several others here!

    Thank's!

    But, it should be nice to have a brass-section build like the string-section with smartinstrument function...

  • I'm desirous of AU at this point.

    I hope Apple (or the marketplace) creates enough incentive for ports to this.

  • @PhilW said:
    This playing of loops is like playing someone else's music to me. I'm probably very old fashioned, but give me something with a melody and interesting chord changes any time.

    you are not supposed to play someone elses loops ;)
    roll your own with whatever chord changes and melody you want

  • The button next to scale top right of the keyboard with three horizontal faders displays most of the isem parameters. Initially there are 4 on the right, you'll need to drag the handle across to fill the width of the screen and then scroll. Obvious, not.

  • @Captaintitanic said:
    The button next to scale top right of the keyboard with three horizontal faders displays most of the isem parameters. Initially there are 4 on the right, you'll need to drag the handle across to fill the width of the screen and then scroll. Obvious, not.

    Holey moley etc. Good spot.

  • @Samu said:

    The 'key' for the project is set at the 'wrench' icon where you set tempo, count-in etc.
    All the loops that are added to to tracks will 'match' that key and tempo.

    To transpose the individual appleloops within a project, tap on the appleloop, select settings and adjust semitones.

    As far as i know there is no way to auto-detect what is being played live. It would be cool if Garbage band analysed a piece of recorded audio and figured out the key and tempo.

    Ah ok. I thought you meant that exactly, GarageBand analyzing the chords. Would be cool though. Kinda what the new Music Memo is doing.

    Thanks for your help.

  • edited January 2016

    Is anyone else having difficulty recording Audiobus/IAA into Live Loops? In Audiobus I get an Error on every app I try (Bebot, Animoog, etc). Using iPad4 and iPhone6s both on 9.2.1. It seems to be fine when I am in arrangement view. With IAA, most of the time it records without audio. One time it recorded the audio, but then was mute on playback.

    Anyone else tried recording into the Live Loops from third=party apps? Am I missing something?

    ETA: I can record into arrangement mode and then copy that into Live Loop. That seems to be the workaround for me for now.

  • @thesammiller said:
    Is anyone else having difficulty recording Audiobus/IAA into Live Loops? In Audiobus I get an Error on every app I try (Bebot, Animoog, etc). Using iPad4 and iPhone6s both on 9.2.1. It seems to be fine when I am in arrangement view. With IAA, most of the time it records without audio. One time it recorded the audio, but then was mute on playback.

    Anyone else tried recording into the Live Loops from third=party apps? Am I missing something?

    I'm experiencing some issues on iPad4 with recording into loops but different from what you're describing. Sometimes it records with a weird stereo delay effect and a click metronome like sound. Must be a bug.

  • I'm going to go against the grain here. I really don't see the problem playing basic loops as backing while jamming or gigging. Most are basic and like playing presets on a synth can be tweaked to taste. It's what is played over them and the song structure that counts.

    Makes me laugh that most guitar players are often trying to emulate a sound, while synth heads are always trying to come up with something new. For me I just want the sound that fits the song, it's my playing technique that lets me down lol.

  • I actually like this approach.
    I usually make a beat or two.
    I add a bass loop, a guitar loop, etc.
    and then perform those loops into an arrangement live instead of select section... copy paste... etc.

    this leads to a more organic arrangement for me.

  • I’m old and have made music traditionally all my life, but I can see the appeal of using the loops as the kids are doing these days. LOL. I make music on a piano. I didn’t make the piano. A loop is just another sound to build music with. It’s the final thing that is, hopefully, art, not the individual pieces. I can also see using loops just to inspire other ideas, or just to jam around with for the fun of it. Music is also great recreation, which I believe is what the iPad and GB was designed for.

  • @alexbuga said:
    I actually like this approach.
    I usually make a beat or two.
    I add a bass loop, a guitar loop, etc.
    and then perform those loops into an arrangement live instead of select section... copy paste... etc.

    this leads to a more organic arrangement for me.

    I agree

    We use loops all the time, we just may not realise it. Each time you repeat a phrase or a drum pattern you are looping. The difference between a 'loop launcher' and a typical DAW is that with a DAW when you want to repeat a phrase you copy a part and move it along the timeline, and you have to do that for every repetition you want. If you want to change a note in the part you have to do that in every copy of the part that you have made, or delete and copy them again (This is not normally a problem on Desktop if you use ghost parts, but I don't think any of the iOS DAW's have these) With a 'loop launcher' you don't have to make copies, you just press the box/pad to trigger the loop at the right time, there is only 1 copy of the loop (unless you want a variation when you would make a copy) so if you make a change it is for all repetitions. This means you are not committing early to your chord progression, song structure or arrangement and you can easily try different variations in real-time. this is a major advantage particularly on Touch screen where making copies of parts and moving them around can be a time consuming and fiddly process.

    There are limitations to loops but these are mainly confined to Audio Loops, the sound, tempo and key is already predefined, any change you want to make to that requires audio processing and will almost always degrade the sound (this does sometimes cause happy accidents though).
    If you have any effects tail within your audio loop this will get chopped if it goes beyond the loop point (I don't think any of the current audio loop players cater for different start/loop/end parts like a traditional hardware sampler does)

    These limitations go away when you use MIDI Loops. When you use MIDI loops they are then licks, riffs, melody lines, chords or progressions that are not tied to being any particular sound or tempo or even rhythm. You can play back in any combination or order that you like, you can easily mess around until you find the chord progression you are looking for or the arrangement you want, you can send the MIDI to whatever sound source you have that supports MIDI.

    There is a downside to MIDI loops also, if you are using VST's (on desktop), or AU, or IAA instruments they generally take more processing power than audio playback does. This is why as you progress through making your track you will start committing to the sounds and the structure and then start converting it to audio. If you are using hardware sound sources this processing is not normally an issue.

    This is why ModStep is so exciting to me, you have all the benefits of a loop launcher without the downside of audio loops, and a seemingly endless list of options for sending or receiving the MIDI.

    WOW, I didn't realise I was so passionate about this :)

  • edited January 2016

    @AndyPlankton yeah but if you use the launcher the beauty is that like in Ableton you can go and cut parts, edit stuff.

    And besides Ableton, you can have multiple sections in GB, with different arrangements. That's really nice.

  • edited January 2016

    @alexbuga said:
    @AndyPlankton yeah but if you use the launcher the beauty is that like in Ableton you can go and cut parts, edit stuff.

    And besides Ableton, you can have multiple sections in GB, with different arrangements. That's really nice.

    Yeah, I like the launcher / timeline combo that GB gives as well, it is my utopia having both loops and timeline together, loops for the benefit of looping that we already discussed and the timeline for guitars and electric bass etc... I would say vocals but i can't sing :D

    But unfortunately the lack of MIDI I/O and IAA Instruments means it is a no go for me as I only have 16GB Ipad Mini2 so have no space for lots of audio.

    With ModStep If I want to I can do all my looping using the inbuilt synth and sampler, then by making a few simple changes to midi routing I can change from inbuilt synth to IAA, or I can connect to a desktop and substitute synths for VST''s or to hardware synths, and not forgetting the fact that I can route the iPad audio to desktop using StudioMux as well if I wish.........brilliantly flexible. In comparison GB is far too confined.

    Don't get me wrong I am not putting GB down, the update is great and for £4.99 if you are happy staying within GB or porting to Logic later then you couldn't go wrong.
    Maybe when more IAA's become AU's it will feel a lot less confined and it will be a different story :)

  • @AndyPlankton said:

    @alexbuga said:
    @AndyPlankton yeah but if you use the launcher the beauty is that like in Ableton you can go and cut parts, edit stuff.

    And besides Ableton, you can have multiple sections in GB, with different arrangements. That's really nice.

    Yeah, I like the launcher / timeline combo that GB gives as well, it is my utopia having both loops and timeline together, loops for the benefit of looping that we already discussed and the timeline for guitars and electric bass etc... I would say vocals but i can't sing :D

    But unfortunately the lack of MIDI I/O and IAA Instruments means it is a no go for me as I only have 16GB Ipad Mini2 so have no space for lots of audio.

    With ModStep If I want to I can do all my looping using the inbuilt synth and sampler, then by making a few simple changes to midi routing I can change from inbuilt synth to IAA, or I can connect to a desktop and substitute synths for VST''s or to hardware synths, and not forgetting the fact that I can route the iPad audio to desktop using StudioMux as well if I wish.........brilliantly flexible. In comparison GB is far too confined.

    Don't get me wrong I am not putting GB down, the update is great and for £4.99 if you are happy staying within GB or porting to Logic later then you couldn't go wrong.
    Maybe when more IAA's become AU's it will feel a lot less confined and it will be a different story :)

    Agree. The FX limitations are too.....well limiting for myself.

  • This is possibly the most blatant comment but I'll say it anyway.

    After something like 3 years on this forum I've come to realise that there's such a spectrum of ways people here make music that it would be silly to start questioning other's approach. At the same time it is absolutely unavoidable to think 'bullocks this or that' so I think stopping that urge is the first step to having a constructive time here. I'm not referring to this thread in particular but premade Vs own loops triggered my brain.

    Just musing.

  • Has anyone who actually finds they have access to this special looping thing in GarageBand tried the Apple Loops Utility? I’ve got it on my Mac and the copyright date is quite old, and the user interface is from the old days.

  • @supadom said:
    This is possibly the most blatant comment but I'll say it anyway.

    After something like 3 years on this forum I've come to realise that there's such a spectrum of ways people here make music that it would be silly to start questioning other's approach. At the same time it is absolutely unavoidable to think 'bullocks this or that' so I think stopping that urge is the first step to having a constructive time here. I'm not referring to this thread in particular but premade Vs own loops triggered my brain.

    Just musing.

    B) What makes art such an interesting thing is that artists all make their art in their own way. You can get two very similar pieces of art that are made from completely different source materials, and you can get two completely different pieces of art from the same source materials.
    What makes art so alluring is that there is no right or wrong just the appreciation of the results

    I do get verbal diarrhea sometimes and come across like I'm preaching :o , but my intention is to share and discuss

    <3

  • Call any Vegtable :)

  • Whatever gets you through the day, right?

    I guess I appreciate it when people challenge my assumptions and "well-worn grooves"/mental models, etc. I'm sure not everyone appreciates it, though.

  • @supadom said:
    This is possibly the most blatant comment but I'll say it anyway.

    After something like 3 years on this forum I've come to realise that there's such a spectrum of ways people here make music that it would be silly to start questioning other's approach. At the same time it is absolutely unavoidable to think 'bullocks this or that' so I think stopping that urge is the first step to having a constructive time here. I'm not referring to this thread in particular but premade Vs own loops triggered my brain.

    Just musing.

    Amusing musing and right on the money. It's what comes out of the sausage maker etc.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @supadom said:
    This is possibly the most blatant comment but I'll say it anyway.

    After something like 3 years on this forum I've come to realise that there's such a spectrum of ways people here make music that it would be silly to start questioning other's approach. At the same time it is absolutely unavoidable to think 'bullocks this or that' so I think stopping that urge is the first step to having a constructive time here. I'm not referring to this thread in particular but premade Vs own loops triggered my brain.

    Just musing.

    Amusing musing and right on the money. It's what comes out of the sausage maker etc.

    Was that a plug for using a certain compression app? :p

  • edited January 2016

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    Amusing musing and right on the money. It's what comes out of the sausage maker etc.

    Are you likening the sausage maker to the music making process or the musician, because if you mean musician my mental picture of this just totally changed :D

  • edited January 2016
  • @JohnnyGoodyear - that ruined my appetite for breakfasts! LOL

    I've haven't even got to the new loop stuff yet, been having tons of fun with the new instruments. I LOVE how seemless iSEM works as an AU instrument...especially when reloading a song...there's nothing to do, it just freaking works!!!

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