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Here are my main areas of concern.
I get very uncomfortable when I get the sense that commercial entities are potentially censoring a forum such as this for "personal reasons". It is a slippery slope in which one would not like to think could ever be an issue of integrity. I am a big free speech person. Even if I disagree with someone, I will die and fight for the right for you to have the freedom to say it.
I am not going any further.
2nd. I find complaining about money or financial scenarios publicly so unbecoming and tacky. Even if it is in an indirect way via a financial agreement or rules regarding a business dealing. It comes down to crying poverty. Not cool. Suck it up.
That's really it in a nutshell.
Nothing more to ad. I mean it all. I also mean it in a real respectful way.
Lastly. A person or people not understanding that market forces are market forces. Each market has differences in more ways that can be imagined, they are still market forces. Laws apply to them just as they do in physics.
I am so thrilled this thread has went the way it did. Some real intellectual giants on this forum. (serious)
Also very mature way of people disagreeing and discussing.
Props to all.
Propellerheads to another 1 or 2.
good night.
I never said that the cheaper tablets are better for making music. I was pointing out that fact that they're out there and they weren't included in the analogy. As for devs releasing apps, it's one thing to understand that it's not feasible to add extra features. But the blatant disregard of bugs not getting fixed is rather shitty. So that part I don't like. Maybe it's okay with you. But hopefully you're not in the business of developing apps.
Hey,
I was sent a link to this thread on Twitter. Thanks for doing that, Goozoon. I'm a new member to this forum, and I would not have been aware of this thread without your message.
A few people in this thread have mentioned getting in touch with us, but never get a response. That should never happen, and I’m very sorry if it has. I’m curious to hear how you contacted us so I can look into how we can become more responsive. I'm guilty of this myself, as evidenced by me taking two days to notice the ping on Twitter.
Anyway...
As for the development of ReBirth and Thor: You’re absolutely right in that we haven’t updated them for a while. Time and resources are limited, and we have to make hard decisions about what we focus on. And right now we’re focusing our mobile efforts where most of our users are: Take and Figure. We take quality seriously, and it sucks that many of you are experiencing crashes and other problems with Thor and ReBirth. It’s on our to-do list to get that fixed. It might not happen as soon as you’d like to, but I'm committed to getting them back to our high standards for quality and performance.
Leo
Product Manager
Propellerhead
@leonathorst
Thanks for the response and will await updates to those two apps with patience
Nice response Leo!
Stephen
I still dream of Reason for iOS :-)
Awesome, thanks for the professional response.
How long is a piece of string?
And I was saying that cheaper tablets that are not better for making music would only support the analogy. The point of the analogy was "...if you want something that is high quality then you have to pay for it." Are you disagreeing with that? Or are you saying, iOS users should get high quality (and all the customer support that comes with it,) and also expect to pay little for it? If a dev gets hundreds of dollars for a product on the desktop, and a few dollars for that app on iOS, where do you expect their focus to be?
The "blatant disregard of bugs" is also a matter of perception. If you have a specific case that matches that description, then the possible cause could be discussed. Throwing it out there as a condemnation of the whole system, or an argument against the analogy that was made, is specious.
Thanks @leonathorst for visiting us here, it would be nice to have you heared here from time to time.
As for contacting, where ios crashlogs be sent for you to collect them and analize those crashes? Would it help?
As for me, i dont think Thor needs too much.. I would throw away that changing sound when you to switch presets. I was speaking about this with Kalle and he said it might be changed.
Rebirth... I would ask for reworked gui
An Link for all
@leonathorst just want to say, I would buy Reason in order to further my Figure/Take arrangements, if only I could do so without having to go through the community and its free-for-all user agreement. Make the community optional, perhaps?
If you get in touch with us about a crash, you're welcome to attach or link to any logs you might have available. It helps!
/K
Thanks
and what about the new stuff? ReBirth is frozen for ages?
What about Thor's changing sound mute?
It is so nice to see so much progress and dialogue regarding my thread.
It almost brings a tear to my eye.
I hope that the line of communication stays open and progress is made.
That is all I would have ever wished for.
THE PURPOSE OF THIS THREAD WAS NEVER TO CAST NEGATIVE ASPERSIONS UPON PROPELLERHEAD.
IT WAS MERELY MY FRUSTRATION THAT ONE OF MY FAVORITE COMPANIES WASN'T MAKING ENOUGH STUFF FOR ME TO BUY OR CONTINUE TO USE WITH OTHER CURRENT IOS ADVANCEMENTS.
Thank you for the posters and the Propellerhead representatives.
It is an important point for me through this ordeal.
Nevermind the crash logs. When selecting Audio Copy in ReBirth it crashes on iOS 9. Please take note of that.
@RustiK i do twit them to go here every time, so i guess Leo made just one shot reply, only :-(
Honestly i would give 39.90 for Rebirth 2.0 with 'modern' day gui. Dont know about others but current small gui bothers me, too much
If I were hanging out here all the time we'd never get the updates we're working on done
Just kidding, of course. I'm reading this thread. We're aware of the ReBirth audio copy bug @Rich303 mentioned above. We'll fix it. We have no plans currently for updating the ReBirth graphics though.
I'd probably give one of my kidneys to see link support in Rebirth!
Still dreaming of Reason for iOS :-)
Stephen
That's 303 hardcore right there!
I used Reason from 1.0 up to Record1.5 and Back to Reason6, but it lost my creative "run"&"flow" with the change to Record and the "flow" dont come back with the updates back to one combined software Reason6....i stop my updates here.
Until Record i used Reason as my Favorite Instrument and DAW.
I switched to Ableton Live, feels more intuitiv and better overview.
But think back in time, it was a real plessure to work with this resource-efficient and intuitiv technologie.
This with a intuitiv new touch GUI, would be very welcome on iOS, maybe with the Refill import options...yes.
I would buy it again.
Its a shame that Rebirth got no love from Propellerhead anymore....sad.
Update it with Link + XY Pads include Arps/Scales like the Korg chaosspads and REbirth is back in the business!
Figure is a nice little tool, but after 4-6weeks, its getting boring...
Please:
Mute/Solo Options in the Drums...
record the changes of the tonality
extend the max 8bars...up to 32bars
and export(open in) option with seperate tracks into DAW or Audioshare/zip
and it will be a useable sketchpad again
I just want to say, while we have Propellerheads' attention, that I'd LOVE Reason for iPad too! (And Ableton Live... :-))
Many thanks to the propellerheads!
@leonathorst As for the crashes: rebirth always crashes when i save a copy of a project and want to rename it.Does not happen when i rename it later but i tend to forget that often.Sometimes (worst case) it got stuck while saving (overwriting existing file) so i have to force quit rebirth but the project is corrupted then and can not be opened anymore.I tried to"share"a broken project via mail but this also makes rebith crash.Air 2 with iOS 9.1
Sorry about that
I'll make sure we'll take a look at that.
I've been a ReBirth owner since version 1.0 way back and when it was released for iOS i just knew I had to have it.
I'd honestly prefer (and would gladly pay) for a completely new 'ReBirth' app.
The 303 emulation is spot-on (Never owned the original so I can't really compare).
If or when the work on an update/remake takes place it would be awesome to have it modernised completely with dedicated mixer-channels for each of the drum sounds and if possible avoid usage of samples (ok, use samples where the original 909 had samples) and replace them with VA-Synthesis. The 'sequencer' could be modernised with an easy-to-use 'step-grid' (Similar to Korg's Gadget).
Just because the 'original' instruments ReBirth replicated are old it doesn't mean there is no use for them
Many thanks!
oh,before i forget: ableton link would be awesome,i would gladly pay for it as IAP
Thanks Leo! If you could also consider adding Ableton Link, I'm sure the effort involved would also increase new sales.
Ok no new gui for rebirth, no new features... Please Link it
So much this
What could possibly be a more reasonable business decision than giving us REASON for iOS? I think it would work with not too many UI changes for iPad Pro
All synths included? For 99.90?