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GarageBand 2.3! New drummers, 24-bit, more

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  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Say it to Apple. Live loops without any kind of remote control are useless for non-third-hand musicians :lol:

    I was yelling it at Apple... I just think they are going for a different market with GB. Which is a shame but happily we have apps aimed at the "pro" market.

    I understood ridiculous as a solution, which it is, but only to Apple no sense of “touch screen is the better interaction possible”. My apologies :sweat_smile:
    I’m agree they pursue different market but then why they don’t release mainstage fr iOS!?

    It’s nuts the missed chances in iOS sometimes...

  • AU effects no longer mute their track upon re-opening a saved song.

  • edited November 2017

    @PhilW said:

    @PhilW said:
    I hope you can select more effects for the built-in guitar, it has always bugged me that there are lots of options for real guitar players but the built-in guitar has always had severely limited options.

    Disappointed that there is no improvement in this area - lots of great goodies for sure though to counter this.

    Play your part on guitar with a clean sound, then click on the track and choose merge. If you want to keep the Original track just click duplicate before you do this. Then select just that one track and click on merge.

    Now create an amp track and drag the audio from the newly merged track onto that amp track. Now you can use any effects and amps that you want. Obviously you can also do this with any track, not just guitar. Why not run the orchestra through a screaming marshall ? \m/

  • edited November 2017

    @eross said:
    24 bit? what the big deal? is it higher quality sound, or faster processing? I am still learning. what should i be looking for and setting my Daw’s at?

    24 bit refers to the dynamic range available, meaning how much room you have to record your softest sound versus your loudest sound. When you’re recording at 24 bit you can aim to have your average level much lower so that any spikes in the sound have room to be there without distorting. I aim for -18 as my general level that I record at with just the occasional spike going higher. If you’re recording with virtual instruments and recording music that doesn’t have a huge contrast Between and loud soft it’s actually probably not as important because there’s no need to Overcome Tape hiss. But that is a completely different post, and will be a good idea to look up some articles online as there’s tons written about this and there’s some debate sometimes about things .

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @PhilW said:

    @PhilW said:
    I hope you can select more effects for the built-in guitar, it has always bugged me that there are lots of options for real guitar players but the built-in guitar has always had severely limited options.

    Disappointed that there is no improvement in this area - lots of great goodies for sure though to counter this.

    Play your part on guitar with a clean sound, then click on the track and choose merge. If you want to keep the Original track just click duplicate before you do this. Then select just that one track and click on merge.

    Now create an amp track and drag the audio from the newly merged track onto that amp track. Now you can use any effects and amps that you want. Obviously you can also do this with any track, not just guitar. Why not run the orchestra through a screaming marshall ? \m/

    On the other hand, the built-in instrument tracks can use a bunch of AU effects, whereas recorded guitar tracks only get one slot, and you have to delete reverb to get that!

  • Does GarageBand have Link?

  • Have they improved the editing functions yet in stuff like MIDI tracks? The last time I used Garageband, it just left me thinking that I really want these sounds in another app as it's all super-basic (even for me!).

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Now I want to see version 2 with mechanical swipe to delete ;)

  • @Love3quency said:
    It’s great! Loads of cool new sounds for free and bye bye to ruismaker et all

    NO.

  • @Michael_R_Grant said:
    Have they improved the editing functions yet in stuff like MIDI tracks? The last time I used Garageband, it just left me thinking that I really want these sounds in another app as it's all super-basic (even for me!).

    It's the same, ie. no editing of the recorded touch-instrument controllers, not even pitch or mod-wheel.
    The automation is recorded though so we can only hope that some day we'll have automation-editing together with AUv3 automation present in GarageBand.

    I do like the per track non-destructive quantise options, passing apple loops thru the guitar & voice effects.
    Access to iOS built-in AUv3 and the new drum machine :)

    And I do enjoy playing the touch-insrtuments.

    Export can now be done as *.wav and the Files.app integration is top-notch.

    When it comes to GarageBand I've turned from 'looking at what is missing' to actually enjoying what's already there and it's FREE!

  • @supadom said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Now I want to see version 2 with mechanical swipe to delete ;)

    Shake for undo :lol:

  • @supadom said:
    It sits just in the right place for the uninitiated grown ups and the kids.

    >

    Did you mean that to sound so patronising? ;)

  • @mrufino1 said:

    @eross said:
    24 bit? what the big deal? is it higher quality sound, or faster processing? I am still learning. what should i be looking for and setting my Daw’s at?

    24 bit refers to the dynamic range available, meaning how much room you have to record your softest sound versus your loudest sound. When you’re recording at 24 bit you can aim to have your average level much lower so that any spikes in the sound have room to be there without distorting. I aim for -18 as my general level that I record at with just the occasional spike going higher. If you’re recording with virtual instruments and recording music that doesn’t have a huge contrast Between and loud soft it’s actually probably not as important because there’s no need to Overcome Tape hiss. But that is a completely different post, and will be a good idea to look up some articles online as there’s tons written about this and there’s some debate sometimes about things .

    thanks for the detailed description. i really appreciate it. It makes total sense to my brain now. :)

  • @teleb said:
    Real strums like in Virtual Guitarist?

    Check out Doug’s excellent video on YouTube.

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    @supadom said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Now I want to see version 2 with mechanical swipe to delete ;)

    Shake for undo :lol:

    Kick to clear might work better if your hands are busy playing an instrument.

  • @supadom said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @supadom said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Now I want to see version 2 with mechanical swipe to delete ;)

    Shake for undo :lol:

    Kick to clear might work better if your hands are busy playing an instrument.

    Nono mechanical shake to undo fired from kick or knee clap :lol:

    Meanwhile your swipe to delete is being developed by lego...

  • @Zen210507 said:

    @supadom said:
    It sits just in the right place for the uninitiated grown ups and the kids.

    >

    Did you mean that to sound so patronising? ;)

    Yes, inadvertently.

  • @supadom said
    Yes, inadvertently.

    Ah, then there is an interesting opportunity.

    If anyone reading this thread works a lot with Garage Band, perhaps they wold like to provide a link to something they’ve made which they’re proud of, and you could do the same.

    Like a Pro/ Am challenge! ;)

  • @Dubbylabby said:

    @supadom said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @supadom said:

    @lukesleepwalker said:

    @Dubbylabby said:

    @Dubbylabby said:
    Still not midi mapping for live loops (or almost the playlist of them) so makes it still unreliable for live gigs where hands are busy...

    I answer myself.

    Ha, clever but ridiculous in the age of Bluetooth MIDI.

    Now I want to see version 2 with mechanical swipe to delete ;)

    Shake for undo :lol:

    Kick to clear might work better if your hands are busy playing an instrument.

    Nono mechanical shake to undo fired from kick or knee clap :lol:

    Meanwhile your swipe to delete is being developed by lego...

  • I agree! Brambos apps are top notch and well designed and maintained!

    @Jocphone said:

    @Love3quency said:
    It’s great! Loads of cool new sounds for free and bye bye to ruismaker et all

    Bit harsh.

  • edited November 2017

    @Zen210507 said:

    @supadom said
    Yes, inadvertently.

    Ah, then there is an interesting opportunity.

    If anyone reading this thread works a lot with Garage Band, perhaps they wold like to provide a link to something they’ve made which they’re proud of, and you could do the same.

    Like a Pro/ Am challenge! ;)

    Oh dude, I apologise for unintentionally hurting your feelings. By uninitiated I meant people who haven’t got a clue about working with DAWs, that’s all. I didn’t realise my comment was so broadly open to interpretation.

  • I currently have 0 time for challenges and competitions but would definitely like to see your input on my lunch break.

  • Back to new version of GB, replicant seem to crash GB on my Air 2.

  • Not much changed in terms of if MIDI / Audio editing/ Timeline. I’m hoping these will come in the NAMM 2018 time frame. Most of the new updates are on the content/instrument side of the app

  • @supadom said:
    Oh dude, I apologise for unintentionally hurting your feelings. By uninitiated I meant people who haven’t got a clue about working with DAWs, that’s all. I didn’t realise my comment was so broadly open to interpretation.

    You didn’t hurt my feelings in the slightest. Also, now you have clarified your meaning, I not only take but to some extent agree with your point. :)

    I find it very interesting that there is sometimes a perception that those trained to play a musical instrument have automatic superiority over those who are untrained. Today, those with sonic imagination have the tools - such as GB - and are able to flourish like never before.

    I’ve heard works from trained musicians which are wonderful, but it is never a given. The same thing is true for those working with imagination and serendipity as their major skills. The lines have become blurred, and even those brand new to IOS music can knock out a decent tune almost immediately using GB. Then, all being well, encouraged by that, allowed into the world of music making - initiated if you wish - they can get other apps, learn DAW’s, etc. This is surely a good thing for music, and bringing people together.

  • edited November 2017

    @supadom said:
    I currently have 0 time for challenges and competitions but would definitely like to see your input on my lunch break.

    >

    My contribution to RTM is as lyricist.

    :) :) :)

    I only play with GB, and have never used it to make a finished composition. But I’m sure there are those who have, and might be inclined to show you theirs. Who knows how inspired they might be if you would show them yours.

  • One thing that's cool is that you can download the sounds in the Sound LIbrary and try them out. If you need space later, you can delete them one at a time.

    I think the beat sequencer is one of the best in iOS. It's really easy to use.

    You can edit velocity, note repeat (one note can be divided into 2,3, 4 or 8 parts), chance (Very Drum Perfect-like) and Loop Start End, which is very cool--you can have some track four measures long, some 6 measures, some 8 measurse, etc.

    There are easy visual indicators for velocity, note repeat and chance. Better than most computer DAWs.

    The pattern can be as long as 64 steps, and the UI makes it very easy to create.

    Each instrument (or the whole song) can be set up to play forward, reverse, ping pong (back and forth) or random.

    You can change step length of notes while its playing from 1/8 notes, 1/16th notes, and 1/32 notes, plus 1/8 and 1/16 triplets. Very easy to hear how triplets on a percussion instrument plays against a 4/4 beat.

    It comes with a lot of factory patterns which are great to get started with. You can play one and change kits.

    It also has a random button for patterns. I think I speak for a lot of us here that we love random buttons. As best as I can tell it's really random, which makes it better than Groovebox which just randomizes the selection of pre-made beats that come with a set. In addition to beats, the Garageband drum machine randomizes velocity.

    The big weakness is that, while there are a lot of sounds, you can't customize your own kit. You can't put a Taiko drum with an acoustic drum kit or an 808. And that would be cool.

    I don't use Garageband at all so this may be an old feature, but you can select your song and send it to Audioshare, dropbox, and iCloud. I really don't know why we would want to send our files to "Files," as it's very limited at this point. Why not just send it to Audioshare which gets it into our other apps in a snap?

    The biggest problem with Garageband is that if you want to separate your tracks you need to solo them one by one and send them out, unless you send out Garageband files.

    For that reason, I doubt if I will make full tracks on this, but I can totally see myself making drum tracks on this, sending them out to Audioshare or Dropbox and using them in my iOS or PC DAW. Another use would be for loops for apps like Blocs Wave.

  • @Zen210507 I use GarageBand a lot for finished songs. I really like the built-in instruments.

    Last year I spent some time with my brother, which is something we rarely get to do, and he was curious about GarageBand so I thought I would set up a little project to show him how it works. I opened up the Smart Keyboard with an electric piano, and used it to record a little impromptu riff. Just to show him how it easy it was.

    I then added a bass guitar track, played the exact same riff on the bass, then added a Drummer track and within a few minutes put together a cool-sounding little loop. My brother was impressed.

    Then a few weeks later I listened to that little demo project again and decided that riff could be turned into a song, just needed some words and a melody. This is what I ended up with, it's pretty much 90% GB, even the guitar solo was played on the virtual guitar in GB:

    I have other finished tracks that make use of GB quite heavily (including my latest SOTMC entry), but this one had the best back story. :)

  • @Reid said:
    The biggest problem with Garageband is that if you want to separate your tracks you need to solo them one by one and send them out

    Yes that is a bit of a drag, but it doesn't take that long to solo out the tracks and export them one-by-one. Stem export would be killer though.

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