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Wow +100
Curious what you think a better alternative is.
I repeat. Execution is guaranteed to result in the deaths of total innocents. How one can support a system that will murder innocents to exact revenge that serves no other purpose than revenge is beyond me.
A government for all the people.
EyeOhEss wrote: "Life’s too fast/hectic/overloaded for most people to have the time or energy to study all of these things to any real depth.. "
Yes, true, Yet we have the time to watch endless hours of reality TV and football and NASCAR etc. on TV.
EyeOhEss wrote: "The playing field’s a total mess... People are manipulated and lied to."
Yes, but it has always been that way. Go back to the pre TV days and have a look at what outright lies newspapers used to report. Have a look at the Hearst owned papers.
At least today we have more communication available than ever before. And "people at the top" are more accountable than ever before. The corrupt or criminal mayor, senator, police chief, priest, movie producer etc gets outed and goes to jail. There is more accountabilty in the western world than ever before. That's got to be good.
More accountability than ever before? Do explain. Sadly, I disagree.
The notion that more available information automatically leads to people being better informed has been shown to be false.
I'm going to say that anyone who was on Death Row and then exonerated will, to put it mildly, most likely disagree with you....
Someone spending years, decades even, incarcerated for a crime they did not commit is horrific, but it is infinitely better than someone who was wrongly executed. There are no do-overs when you kill someone.
"But what if we could know, with absolute certainty, that the person is guilty?" Well, there are moral and philosophical arguments for why a State should not have that power, but the simple, prosaic answer is, "in the real world we cannot know, with absolute certainty, that an individual is guilty". There can be a preponderance of guilt, but there have been cases that seemed open-and-shut, that turned out to have a lot more nuance. And so, again, "there are no do-overs with capital punishment."
This is a small but nonetheless important step on the road to self destruction, last century 100 million souls still scream, in this pursuit, yet the toll continues.
espiegel123 wrote: "I repeat. Execution is guaranteed to result in the deaths of total innocents."
Yes, you are correct.
But only if execution is applied casually to a wide range of criminals.
Remember, there are criminals who murder and admit to it. They don't deny it. They clearly are not innocents.
The guy who murdered all those people in Vegas. He was in his room with a ton of guns and ammo. Clearly not an innocent.
The guy who murders someone, is captured on CCTV doing the killing, and is covered in blood and DNA and tries to escape chased by police cars. Clearly not an innocent.
They guy who posts on FaceBook that he is going to kill his classmates at school and then goes on a rampage with automatic weapons... clearly not an innocent.
It comes down to how the law is applied.
You could argue that we should never put anyone in prison at all because "it might result in the incarceration of total innocents". They might spend years or decades in jail before someone discovers they are innocent. Their innocence might never be discovered. But we do put people in jail after we are sure they are guilty.
Same with the death penalty. In the types of cases I have mentioned above there would be no doubt that those criminals are guilty. The only exemption for them would be if it could be proved that they were mentally ill to a degree that they didn't know what they were doing. For example, perhaps the FaceBook guy is totally mental and should be put in a mental hospital, not jail or death row.
Our priority in serious, violent crime should be the support of victims not the rights of the criminal.
espiegel123 wrote: "More accountability than ever before? Do explain. Sadly, I disagree."
I mean that in the past priests could molest children and get away with it. In the past movie producers could assult actresses and get away with it. In the past presidents could have affairs and get away with it. In the past cops could kill people and get away with it. In the past the military could commit massacres and get away with it. And so on...
I bet the people in power today long for "the good old days" :-)
Man, are you reading current headlines here?
I swear, all those things are still going on, and the perpetrators are still getting away with it. It is just recently that the general public became aware of these things. I haven’t seen many people convicted yet, but a few have been.
But the sense that a lot of those things are actually wrong or bad, that is new. Death Penalty coming back is going backward, I think.
EyeOhEss wrote: " Let everyone do their thing then come home and watch some NASCAR or whatever on tv and/or hang with their family. "
Yes, I agree. I "waste" a lot of time watching motor racing.
But if the road workers and waitresses don't get engaged in politics, or at least keep an eye on it, they might find they will always be on the minimum wage and have weak employment rights.
EyeOhEss wrote: " Today I can go lie to potentially almost the whole world if I wanted to, just by going and posting something on Reddit/YouTube"
True, you might be able to lie to the whole world but will the whole world believe you?
When I see/read something on a "legitimate" news outlet, whether it is BBC, CNN, FoxNews, Guardian, ABC Australia or whoever (i.e an outlet that can be sued) I am a lot more likely to believe it than some anonymous guy mouthing off on Reddit and YouTube.
I am hopeful that over time the public will wise up and learn not to believe a lot of the nonsense they hear on the nuttier corners of the internet.
It is like not paying attention to the loudmouth making crazy claims down the pub or the neighbour spreading false rumors over the back fence.
CracklePot wrote: "I haven’t seen many people convicted yet, but a few have been."
More than a few. How many of Trump's campaign team/lawyers are behind bars... I've lost count.
How many priests have gone to jail? Heaps. How many millions of $$$s has it cost the Catolic Church?
How many powerful people in the entertainment industry have been busted? Again, heaps.
My point was that the goalposts have moved in the last 10 years. Powerful people who knew they could get away with wrongdoings in the past now know that they night not.
Sure, there may be lots of bad things still happening in offices and factories to people who are not famous celebrities or high profile politicians. But the bosses know that if legal action is taken against them they are in big trouble.
EyeOhEss wrote: "As a society we should seek to lead by example. It’s the only way to have any hope to evolve as a race. To strive to ‘rise above’. Vengeance and murder? Not such great things to be waving around in front of our children as any kind of ‘solution’ or a means of justice. "
I know what you are getting at, and I don't totally disagree, but I have a different viewpoint on many of your phrases...
"Lead by example": yes, this is preferable but sadly murderers don't seem to follow our peaceful example. We obey the law and they take innocent lives.
"To strive to ‘rise above": you don't "rise above" by failing to deliver justice.
"Not such great things to be waving around in front of our children as any kind of ‘solution’ or a means of justice": again, is failing to deliver justice something we should teach our children.
Let me repeat: I am for the death penalty only in the most extreme cases with repeat offenders where there is undenyable proof of guilt.
I don't think either side in this debate can say they are 100% correct in their views. It is like abortion - both sides have strong arguments.
Maybe we can agree that the correct punishment for thieves is not cutting off their hands...? :-)
EyeOhEss wrote: "You’re removing my point from its original context. "
My apologies. It wasn't my intention to twist what you were saying.
EyeOhEss wrote: "The original context was that in a democracy the best qualified person/people often doesn’t decide. Instead ‘popularity’ decides. "
Agreed. Not a perfect system. But again, if not a system based on popularity then what? Who gets to decide who is "the best qualified person/people"? I think I am the best qualified! :-)
EyeOhEss wrote: "Its fantasy to imagine that EVERYONE can/will educate themselves to anywhere near ‘expert’ knowledge in every field of policy in such a complex world.
Agreed. I don't expect people to become experts. But I would hope that people might pay attention to their politics a little more closely. That gets me back to the old saying "the public gets the government it deserves and deserves the government it gets".
EyeOhEss wrote: "If you’re looking only for the online equivalent of loud people making claims down the pub then you’re unlikely to even notice it.."
It was a casual analogy. But I guess false claims are false cliams, down the pub or anywhere else. Even on the AudioBus forum.
EyeOhEss wrote: "I don’t have an answer or alternative, I just hope we can eventually do a lot better..."
Yes, I think we all do. Whatever form that "better" might take.
Europe FTW!!!
May I add that I do not support the death penalty with any glee. It is more like having your leg amputated. A horrible thing to have to do but necessary. I understand that many of you don't feel the same and your reasons are quite sound.
Anyone who thinks the Death Penalty is a just form of punishment or that mistakes are not made should watch this old documentary, it follows the execution of a clearly and proven innocent man.
14 Days In May
Max23 wrote: "wait, so you did nothing, end in jail, want to end it all and admit you did it ...
ppl have strange motivations to say I did this ...
its 2nd hand suicide"
I was not referring to people already in jail who then confess to end it all. I'm sure this happens in rare cases.
I was talking about criminals who murder and are caught at the scene of the crime covered in blood, or are filmed killing or who have a bunch of witnesses who see it happen - criminals who clearly can't say "it wasn't me".
Max23 wrote: "we cant bring back the dead ppl that we killed in what seemed to be sound judgment. "
True. But we also can't give a person back the years or decades of being locked behind bars in a hell hole based on a "sound judgement" from the court. Both are awful outcomes. But at some point you have to accept the court system and the verdict it comes up with.
Yes, you can't bring a person back to life but you also can't erase the years or lifetime they might have been locked up in prison. So, do you give up on putting them on trial because you might get it wrong?
If you had a case where there was doubt, I hope the court would not give the death penalty.
But in those cases where there is no doubt who did the crime (like the Vegas mass murderer or the person who shot up the gay club or the person who shot up the church or the person who shot up the kindergarten or the person who shot up the cinema, or the person who shot up the N.Z. mosque and streamed it live to FaceBook, i.e. cases where there is no doubt in anyone's mind who did it, then I would suggest the death penalty is correct.
Max23 wrote: "so someone is hearing voices in his head, is seeing things that aren't true and ends up killing ppl.
lets kill the insane?"
Of course not.
As I said in an earlier post... anyone mentally ill who doesn't know what they are doing should be put in a mental hospital and helped.
I am talking about criminals who rape and murder because they feel like doing it and they think they can get away with it. Criminals who rob stores and shoot anyone who gets in their way. Criminals who decide they don't like black folk and so they go and shoot up a church of innocent people. Criminals who think gays are evil so they shoot up a gay club. Criminals who don't like Islam so they kill enderly, unarmed, innocent worshippers at their mosque. Criminals who don't like ther fellow workmates so they go to work with an automatic weapon and start shooting. Criminals who do a car jacking and the driver is shot dead. Criminals who want money for drugs so they kill to get their hands on an innocent person's wallet. Criminals who get pulled over by a cop and decide to shoot the cop to get away. Criminals who rape a woman and murder her so she can't report them.
I think you know the situations I am talking about but you keep coming up with these "unique" examples as excuses.
Yes, not all cases require the death penalty but I think the more serious ones do. You don't. Fine. I don't think you have to agree with me.