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Environment informs experience.
Experience informs perspective.
I don’t expect we’re the same.
Except the same right to be respected.
Justice is a privilege for many.
For others never expected.
A few are nourished and treasured.
Many feared or neglected.
Nobody cries when the innocent die for most atrocity happens outside of your reflection.
Worth noting that Trump has expressed the desire to execute 5 people who were completely innocent and continued to express that desire long after they were exonerated.
No judicial system can guarantee that innocents won't be executed. That really should be the end of the story.
Great info!
Still hopeful Mr. Grocer answers my questions.
Deepfake video AND audio.... how it is done...
If we wanna execute a bunch of child murderers/traffickers I’m ok with that honestly.
Exactly. We make laws that should count for everyone. If you start to make exceptions sense of justice will disappear and it will end in chaos. The only thing a democratic society can do is change laws and make them "better" in time.
And this is just it's infancy.
I agree, All life is precious.
The hole goes... deep
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2019/01/business/pentagons-race-against-deepfakes/
@greengrocer : currently, we are not able to guarantee that innocent people won't be executed. We can't even begin to have a conversation about the fair application of punishment until that apparently insurmountable obstacle is removed.
Currently, the U.S. judicial system is so poor with respect to application of justice, it is pretty hard for me to take seriously what-ifs based on the notion that there is a magic wand that would result in innocent people no longer being executed.
You responded for me, and saved me having to look up some numbers.
But, after reading through this thread, it seems that these are just numbers, and ‘many’ and ‘few’ are just opinions/POV.
I agree as well and would like to lend my support to those that do... I propose a compromise, the Left Wing should Trade an end to Fiscal Irresponsibility for the Right Wing's agreement to concede to and end the existence of Institutionalized Racism ... (I know what you're thinking, nice try koba but what's in the fine print right.... well of course the agreement would explicitly state that anyone whom so chooses would of course get to keep their non-Instutionalized racism I mean really we're not barbarians over here on the left, I mean how else would good god fearing salt of the earth type folk keep themselves warm at night otherwise)... the agreement would strictly state 'Institutionalized Racism Only' mmmmmkaaaaaaaaay
Right wing tax cuts for the extremely wealthy, illegal wars, corporate welfare...
I don’t think the Left is necessarily the fiscally irresponsible group.
But you got it right with the Right in regards to racism.
@kobamoto: it is factually incorr Ct that the right believes in fiscal responsibility. It is a historical fact that deficits over the last 50 or so years have risen under Republican administrations and shrunk under Democratic ones.
It also strikes me as strange that institutionalized racism and injustice could be seen as something acceptable regardless of your spending priorities.
Damn what is happening on this forum?? A lot of you are out here making perfect sense.
Rush Limbaugh recently admitted on air that the whole concept of Republican fiscal responsibility was bogus. Fuggedabout it!
And, poor us, if we lived for a few centuries we’d get a better picture of what’s going on here. But having to cram understanding human nature by observation and experience in three score and thirty.... impossible. We couldn’t even make it thru the Hundred Year’s War! A mind is a terrible thing to waste not making music. From history’s perspective no one gives a fuck about Ensign Touhy... who is Ensign Touhy? My point exactly.
c'mon guys in the book The Fine Art of Negotiations 101, it clearly states that one must not be concerned with individual truths but rather begin with a level playing field of False Equivalencies on start, in other words you can't suggest that the President of these United States is a Racist, bigoted, xenophobic, homophobic, errr traitor, you've got to start with stuff like the leftwing is soft on crime, the rightwing is hard on crime , or the leftwing spends too much money on welfare while the rightwing doesn't spend any money on welfare corporate or otherwise etc, it's gotta be true cause Preacher Richard Butler said so... no matter how far from the truth it is, or go with some of my personal favs like equating black lives matter to the kkk, or equating the issue of police brutality to Chicago gangbangers... there's lots to choose from the false equivalency dip so dive in but bring your own chips
It has changed because the the right wing has learned how to control the conversation. Down is up and up is down. 🙁
This.
I haven't heard that buffoon in years, but I happened to catch him earlier in the week.
I was delighted to hear that he is no longer able to produce that fake basso profundo "announcer" voice.
The substance of his bloviating remains...insubstantial.
But those facts contradict one of the right wing's favorite shibboleths!
It is interesting how a brief window of opportunity to radically benefit the extremely wealthy (and no one else) forced the GOP to reveal its actual agenda. I was surprised. I thought they'd savvily stick to the language of fiscal responsibility and middle-class values.
But they realized that their voters will vote for them anyway because "fiscal responsibility" means something entirely different -- for reasons it is probably best not to get into.
Curse you, Jeff!
How dare you make me learn something on this thread!
Now that I know what a shibboleth is, you bet I am going to use that term.
And reinstating the death penalty for federal prisoners isn't about the prisoners, it's about stirring up Trump's opponents, and galvanising his "base". The sooner Trump is out of office and in prison the better. The trouble is that at the moment a) impeachment won't work - it'd get voted down in the Senate, and b) the alternative, MP, is arguably worse than Trump. So the US public have to wait until 2020 and a bunch of people in federal prisons become collateral damage.
Yeah, but when you realise there’s been a miscarriage of justice you can at least let them out.
Game Of Thrones was such a disappointment this last season.
Matt_Fletcher_2000 wrote: " Yeah, but when you realise there’s been a miscarriage of justice you can at least let them out. "
I agree.
But what about a murderer like the N.Z. mosque guy who live streamed the killings. No doubt about who the murderer was in that case. There is footage of him doing the killings. And, now arrested, he says he did the right thing. He is not mentally unfit for trial and there is no doubt that he killed those innocent, elderly citizens.
The guilty murderer gets to live. The innocent victims don't. Fair?
Only 1.5 more years!
.........Until 4 more years!
Ugh. Nothing is going to make this thread more useless and boring than to make it specifically about the president.
Killing the murderer doesn't bring the victims back to life...and it encourages the notion of vengeance and retaliation.
Life unfortunately is unfair. Executing murderers doesn't change that. I think people should dig deep and ask themselves why they would feel comforted by anyone's death.
Many Americans seem to assume that everyone can relate to wanting to execute murderers when there are many countries where the population thinks of execution as barbaric.