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But when we discover that we have murdered someone not guilty of that crime, do we put society on trial for their murder, then carry out it’s (society’s) execution.
Damn @Simon. I see you responding to everyone except me. I wonder why that is?
I understand what you are saying. I repeat that no system has achieved the perfection you want.
Given the practical impossibility of having a perfect system, you have a choice of taking capital punishment off the table OR becoming an accessory to the murder of some innocents.
You imagine a perfect system but such a system has never and will never exist.
You imply that justice requires vengeance. Many countries have no capital punishment and their citizens don't clamor for executions and the have lower murder rates than the U.S.
Even if perfection in the determination of guilt were possible (which isn't possible at a systemic level) there are additional reasons to reject execution which I mentioned earlier and which you have ignored. For example, having a vengeance based system of justice perpetuates that notion in the culture at large. Rather than encourage humans to reach beyond satisfaction of their immediate emotions, it promotes the notion of violent solution.
Nothing brings back the dead.
Killing the murderer doesn't bring them back.
Many families of murder victims don't want to be complicit in the cruelty of execution. Those that find solace in execution have probably been raised to believe in capital punishment.
You stated earlier that it was more cruel to lock people up for life than to execute them. By your own logic, life in prison would be the greater punishment.
Simon: My point is basically that wrongfully convicted prisoners can be set free, but no one can be brought back to life. Many times certainty isn’t in doubt, but who gets to decide what is certain enough? The criminal justice system...with its long record of accidental wrongful convictions.
When someone is wrongfully convicted and executed, which has and does happen, doesn’t their family have a right to the same “fairness” revenge? How do they get their closure?
I hear your point. I guess it is splitting hairs, but in regard to your vengeance and retaliation.
I do question those attributes as inherently natural or perhaps even perpetuated by social norms and concepts. As far as art and literature many times vengeance is a heroic thing. And then we have cultures and social values by some peoples that actually reinforce these as good things.
I find with complex issues like this taking action or promoting my viewpoint done on the local level. Albeit, city, county, or state to make changes based on local norms.
Killing is killing but human nature is also a real factor.
I much rather talk about pets.......
Those are nice big words. And the argument is well- defended. But the mental gymnastics required to justify that a fetus is somehow not human are an indication of how far those who benefit from abortion have gone to mis-educate society. The fact that people can conclude the death penalty and abortion are “apples and oranges” is evidence that their mis-education is complete.
The whole “ chunk of cells... individuum” argument? Take that, and climb up a tree and smash some endangered eagle egg “chunk of cells” and lets see what happens.
Point being: it’s not a question of humanity, it is a question of who thinks they have a right to end or terminate life ... which is very much the same issue as murder/ death penalty/ war.
By all accounts, any pregnant woman who actively keeps herself alive and healthy is also “sitting on the egg”.
Symbiosis is irrelevant to the discussion ... unless you are saying if any person’s existence is dependent on another individual then that other individual has the right to terminate them? 😬
Well then maybe you are actually in favor of dictators and mass murderers? ( not actually suggesting this is true of you, but hopefully you see my point)
I find it ironic, if not utterly baffling that this topic can bring out such strong defense of human life and autonomy on one perspective and the same people will disregard humanity on another level.
It happens on the other extreme as well of course. “Pro-lifers” who love war, etc.
Perhaps those who believe in killing, should go to see the murder of those, guilty of whatever their crime is, be that some depraved maniac or an unborn child, then you will have at least opened your eyes and mind in part to it’s implications.
Wow, ok then. “Could maybe become a person” is statistically incorrect if you look at birth rates globally. The fetus will become a person, with a tiny percentage ended of natural causes.
Please tell me how you can give preference to one over the other unless you actually support mass murdering dictators. They make the exact same judgment call.
Oh shit. Real talk right there. If any one of us could witness an execution or an abortion firsthand... I can’t imagine it would be possible to come away believing in either... I can’t imagine.
And with that, I need to step away from this discussion. I want to leave with a few points of clarification:
[Edit: to those who can’t see the correlation to a discussion on the death penalty, I’m respecting your views. That’s part of why I’m signing out. Peace to all, truly]
Damn that’s cold. You prove my point.
Please start a separate thread @Hmtx
Thanks
Folks. Discussion is unlikely to change people's minds on the topic of abortion.
People tend to have strong feelings and I've never seen a discussion about end well as it strikes at core values emerging from fairly irreconcilable world views.
In the U.S., it has been especially divisive.
And the internet speeds, data plans and prices... Streaming audio, FaceTime, etc are a waste without unlimited plans. They offer unlimited data on home WiFi for $50 but would give unlimited on mobile devices even for $100 without throttling.
Asian countries are way ahead of us - they have dirt cheap plans like 3GB or more per day for pennies!
To kill someone, all we need to do is create the perception they are a thing, worthless, something less than human.
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I especially like where you literally changed my quote to fit your agenda. Not quite deep fake, but good start I guess ...
Your narrative here ^ fits precisely what some very powerful people want us all to believe. (such as the idea that dislike of abortion is indicative of a non-concern for women. Or that abortion does not have massive industry that benefits far more than any perceived benefit to the woman)
I had thought you were attempting to understand my perspective ... anyway, I’ll stick to my word and not comment further here. Let’s discuss on personal message if you’d like.
Please don’t quote (or mis-quote) any more of my previous comments as a few others have suggested they aren’t interested in taking this thread in that direction.