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Released: ToneBoosters Flowtones - virtual analog synthesizer

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  • yall this synth is something else. Every synth on ios and desktop sounds digital and like shit, because, well, they are digital. what you do with that shit is another story... Now, this synth in particular is giving me some of the most unique sounds ive heard come out of any synth in a while. The randomization is key. Turn it to between musical and FX and just keep randomizing. some really great stuff.

  • Unique sounding synth, and gorgeous ! Fits very well in a mix with zeeon and tal, really awsome ! Congrats @DJB

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Gravitas said:
    What does it sound like?

    Honestly? I don't love it. It's very digital-sounding to me. This is just me going on the presets, but I don't find anything that grabs me. I'm a Toneboosters fan; I have everything they put out, but this feels thin and needly.

    But if you create ravey stuff, who knows? Me, I want everything to sound like either "Autobahn" or a broken Aphex synth. Not really in the market for ANY clean "stab" sounds ever.

    Meh… Pretty much agree

  • @Telstar5 said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Gravitas said:
    What does it sound like?

    Honestly? I don't love it. It's very digital-sounding to me. This is just me going on the presets, but I don't find anything that grabs me. I'm a Toneboosters fan; I have everything they put out, but this feels thin and needly.

    But if you create ravey stuff, who knows? Me, I want everything to sound like either "Autobahn" or a broken Aphex synth. Not really in the market for ANY clean "stab" sounds ever.

    Meh… Pretty much agree

    So sad to say this, but I have to agree. The presets are not so inspiring.

  • What does Flowtones add to f.e. Synthmaster 2 ? I’ve read PWM on all waveforms so am hoping for some Alpha Juno sounds….I’m Dutch and want to like this so much (just like Fabfilter and Bram’s apps 😂)

  • You have infinite “presets” with the randomizer. 🎲

  • @jolico said:
    You have infinite “presets” with the randomizer. 🎲

    Yes, the Randomizer is among the best I’ve ever seen. Tons of options.

  • edited August 2021



    Now, I didn’t do anything too extensive or precise, because honestly to my ears when a/b ing single notes, I admit I couldn’t tell much difference other than the other synths had a little more ‘compressed’ sound to them.

    I’m a complete amateur at this, and like I said my direct ear test leads me to think I might just be imagining things. Maybe the TB’s are “too perfect” and thus sound a little cleaner and without that harsh high end accumulating? The top scope in each picture is the TB. The bottom scopes are 1) Model D 2) Model 15 3) mood. As you can see, the TB’s are textbook-shaped as advertised. Filters were off and/or all the way open, resonance all the way at 0.

    So what it comes down to is maybe I imagined the difference greater than it is, or it is the filters more the culprit than the actual oscs, but I still get that “off” feeling with the TB.

    Obviously feeling isn’t scientific nor reliable from person to person, so I hope I didn’t give the impression to anyone on the fence or to @DJB that I was outright trashing the synth. Or that I’m some kind of audio expert (I’m a decent musician but actually paying attention to tones and timbres is still something pretty new to me). I felt like I was being respectfully honest, and I think no less of TB now than I did before thanks to all the stuff they’ve done that did click with me.

    Finally, appreciate the back and forth DJB and you being totally cool about it.

  • @gregsmith said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @DJB said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Gravitas said:
    What does it sound like?

    Honestly? I don't love it. It's very digital-sounding to me. This is just me going on the presets, but I don't find anything that grabs me. I'm a Toneboosters fan; I have everything they put out, but this feels thin and needly.

    But if you create ravey stuff, who knows? Me, I want everything to sound like either "Autobahn" or a broken Aphex synth. Not really in the market for ANY clean "stab" sounds ever.

    To me, I wouldn’t call the oscs digital sounding, but they’re def not analog sounding either. But it’s so difficult to capture in words what makes the tone of one osc different than another. The best I can do for this one is neither the square nor the saw have any “bite” to them.

    Please see my reply about a page back on this. Happy to investigate if we can add more waveforms in the oscillator algorithms that provide the character you are looking for; it would be of great help if you could specify more concretely what the waveforms are missing (for example oscilloscope plots) or refer to another synth that is exactly what you miss with Flowtones. Thanks!

    I will try my best and think on it some more! Like I said, it’s a very difficult thing to describe in words. So yes, perhaps I’ll record a few dry examples of the other VAs.

    Is it because it doesn’t have the ‘slop’ and ‘vintage’ properties of something like Zeeon or Model D? FT sounds cleaner and more digital to those sorts of synth to me, but it’s refreshing tbh as we have so many VA options that sounds like that.

    True. Like I said, that’s just not what I’m looking for though. B)

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @DJB said:

    @oat_phipps said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @Gravitas said:
    What does it sound like?

    Honestly? I don't love it. It's very digital-sounding to me. This is just me going on the presets, but I don't find anything that grabs me. I'm a Toneboosters fan; I have everything they put out, but this feels thin and needly.

    But if you create ravey stuff, who knows? Me, I want everything to sound like either "Autobahn" or a broken Aphex synth. Not really in the market for ANY clean "stab" sounds ever.

    To me, I wouldn’t call the oscs digital sounding, but they’re def not analog sounding either. But it’s so difficult to capture in words what makes the tone of one osc different than another. The best I can do for this one is neither the square nor the saw have any “bite” to them.

    Please see my reply about a page back on this. Happy to investigate if we can add more waveforms in the oscillator algorithms that provide the character you are looking for; it would be of great help if you could specify more concretely what the waveforms are missing (for example oscilloscope plots) or refer to another synth that is exactly what you miss with Flowtones. Thanks!

    I will try my best and think on it some more! Like I said, it’s a very difficult thing to describe in words. So yes, perhaps I’ll record a few dry examples of the other VAs.

    Is it because it doesn’t have the ‘slop’ and ‘vintage’ properties of something like Zeeon or Model D? FT sounds cleaner and more digital to those sorts of synth to me, but it’s refreshing tbh as we have so many VA options that sounds like that.

    True. Like I said, that’s just not what I’m looking for though. B)

    Fair enough. To each their own and all that 👍

    I think we’re going to see a lot more from this synth though so it’s great that you’ve provided such detailed feedback to @DJB

  • edited August 2021

    @oat_phipps said:

    Obviously feeling isn’t scientific nor reliable from person to person, so I hope I didn’t give the impression to anyone on the fence or to @DJB that I was outright trashing the synth. Or that I’m some kind of audio expert (I’m a decent musician but actually paying attention to tones and timbres is still something pretty new to me). I felt like I was being respectfully honest, and I think no less of TB now than I did before thanks to all the stuff they’ve done that did click with me.

    Finally, appreciate the back and forth DJB and you being totally cool about it.

    Worth to note is that 'shape' doesn't always 'sound' different.
    Here's a simple example of of both a square-wave and saw-wave thru an all-pass filter.
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/kxyyyo35ww8xcvq/allpass.mp4?dl=0
    (iPadOS screen recording reduces the audio-quality).

    Notice how the 'shape' changes when sweeping the all-pass filter but the sound stays the same...

    Cheers!

  • As a sound designer I love this synth, it’s super-flexible and I can get interesting and musical sounds out of it straight away.

    My approach to sound design is always the same: start from an init patch and sculpt the sound until I get something that feels musical and that I feel I could make a tune with. I like evolving sounds that have interesting textures and this synth delivers.

    The only thing lacking is the ability to import/export banks. Without this it’s going to be really hard to share my presets with the community.

  • Of course. Thanks!

  • edited August 2021

    At least for me, there are two categories of synths.

    Model D, Model 15, DRC, VCS3, Zeeonm, ShockWave, Factory.... that I LOVE from a sound perspective

    And

    Synthmaster, Sunrizer, D1, Synth 1, etc, and this, Flowtones that have some in the character that I don't like.

    I'm not saying that the are more "analogue" or "digital" or even "bad synths". Only, for me taste, I don't love it.

    I have all the TB apps and of course I bought this synth for support, but I understand the @oat_phipps view

    The Randomizer is pretty amazing !

  • Whoa! Great synth! Good job

  • but....do i actually need another one dammit ???

  • edited August 2021

    Solution:
    Drawable oscillator waveforms so that everyone can create the exact waveforms they want.

    🤞

  • @Paul16 said:
    but....do i actually need another one dammit ???

    The answer is always “Yes”.

  • edited August 2021

    @OnfraySin said:
    At least for me, there are two categories of synths.

    Model D, Model 15, DRC, VCS3, Zeeonm, ShockWave, Factory.... that I LOVE from a sound perspective

    And

    Synthmaster, Sunrizer, D1, Synth 1, etc, and this, Flowtones that have some in the character that I don't like.

    I'm not saying that the are more "analogue" or "digital" or even "bad synths". Only, for me taste, I don't love it.

    I have all the TB apps and of course I bought this synth for support, but I understand the @oat_phipps view

    The Randomizer is pretty amazing !

    +1

    Just add OB-XD to the first list and maguellan to the second!

    I’d really wish Flowtones in the first list but being honest is not for me… it’s lacking the nuances in the oscillators

  • So I’m not nuts!

  • edited August 2021

    @Synthi said:

    @OnfraySin said:
    At least for me, there are two categories of synths.

    Model D, Model 15, DRC, VCS3, Zeeonm, ShockWave, Factory.... that I LOVE from a sound perspective

    And

    Synthmaster, Sunrizer, D1, Synth 1, etc, and this, Flowtones that have some in the character that I don't like.

    I'm not saying that the are more "analogue" or "digital" or even "bad synths". Only, for me taste, I don't love it.

    I have all the TB apps and of course I bought this synth for support, but I understand the @oat_phipps view

    The Randomizer is pretty amazing !

    +1

    Just add OB-XD to the first list and maguellan to the second!

    I’d really wish Flowtones in the first list but being honest is not for me… it’s lacking the nuances in the oscillators

    If you’re talking about presets, ignore them. You do realize this is a very deep synth with more layers than an onion, right? Try double tapping on some adjustment knobs (this behavior will change to a long press in an upcoming update) and look at the variety of options.

  • edited August 2021

    @oat_phipps said:
    So I’m not nuts!

    Man, you complain about everything. LOL. When you can provide detailed reasons why you don’t like something, that’s fine. But most of what you dislike is completely subjective and just your opinion. Everyone has an opinion.

  • edited August 2021

    I criticize too much, yes I tend to do that. I don’t complain too much. Complaining is what whiners do. I’m just talkin, not throwing a fit! Hardly anybody ever talks on these forums unless its to say everything rules or to complain about some app not having features they think it should.

    And if you think it’s annoying to put up with, think about how awful it must be for me to live with!

  • @Synthi said:

    @OnfraySin said:
    At least for me, there are two categories of synths.

    Model D, Model 15, DRC, VCS3, Zeeonm, ShockWave, Factory.... that I LOVE from a sound perspective

    And

    Synthmaster, Sunrizer, D1, Synth 1, etc, and this, Flowtones that have some in the character that I don't like.

    I'm not saying that the are more "analogue" or "digital" or even "bad synths". Only, for me taste, I don't love it.

    I have all the TB apps and of course I bought this synth for support, but I understand the @oat_phipps view

    The Randomizer is pretty amazing !

    +1

    Just add OB-XD to the first list and maguellan to the second!

    I’d really wish Flowtones in the first list but being honest is not for me… it’s lacking the nuances in the oscillators

    Totally yes. 100%

  • edited August 2021

    @oat_phipps said:
    I criticize too much, yes I tend to do that. I don’t complain too much. Complaining is what whiners do. I’m just talkin, not throwing a fit! Hardly anybody ever talks on these forums unless its to say everything rules or to complain about some app not having features they think it should.

    Regarding this particular synth, I get that you don’t like the sound but every synth isn’t going to appeal to every person and personally, I don’t think the developer should be trying to make their synth sound like every other synth. The more unique, the better. My issues with this synth have to do with ease of use, performance and details like being able to “favorite” patches or share and import patches. These are all fixable. But telling the developer you don’t like the sound and that they need to make it sound more like a synth you already like makes no sense to me. If you like some other synth, stick with that one. If you want something different, stick with this one.

  • edited August 2021

    @NeuM said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    I criticize too much, yes I tend to do that. I don’t complain too much. Complaining is what whiners do. I’m just talkin, not throwing a fit! Hardly anybody ever talks on these forums unless its to say everything rules or to complain about some app not having features they think it should.

    Regarding this particular synth, I get that you don’t like the sound but every synth isn’t going to appeal to every person and personally, I don’t think the developer should be trying to make their synth sound like every other synth. The more unique, the better. My issues with this synth have to do with ease of use, performance and details like being able to “favorite” patches or share and import patches. These are all fixable. But telling the developer you don’t like the sound and that they need to make it sound more like a synth you already like makes no sense to me. If you like some other synth, stick with that one. If you want something different, stick with this one.

    You doof, I never ever told the developer he/she needs to change anything about his/her project. Anything anyone else makes is theirs. I can criticize it, but I would never suggest for them to change anything about it just to suit me. That would be complaining…expecting something to be what it’s not. I’ve been perfectly clear about that and the developer engaged me to try to find out why I felt that way. And he/she was totally cool about it.

    Shoulda just left it at “I criticize too much” instead of inventing crap that in no way characterizes what I was doing with my posts. Read more carefully next time. There are well-placed qualifications littered throughout my responses.

    Anyway let’s move on. I don’t hate ya

    Edit: added more inclusive pronouns

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @NeuM said:

    @oat_phipps said:
    I criticize too much, yes I tend to do that. I don’t complain too much. Complaining is what whiners do. I’m just talkin, not throwing a fit! Hardly anybody ever talks on these forums unless its to say everything rules or to complain about some app not having features they think it should.

    Regarding this particular synth, I get that you don’t like the sound but every synth isn’t going to appeal to every person and personally, I don’t think the developer should be trying to make their synth sound like every other synth. The more unique, the better. My issues with this synth have to do with ease of use, performance and details like being able to “favorite” patches or share and import patches. These are all fixable. But telling the developer you don’t like the sound and that they need to make it sound more like a synth you already like makes no sense to me. If you like some other synth, stick with that one. If you want something different, stick with this one.

    You doof, I never ever told the developer he/she needs to change anything about his/her project. Anything anyone else makes is theirs. I can criticize it, but I would never suggest for them to change anything about it just to suit me. That would be complaining…expecting something to be what it’s not. I’ve been perfectly clear about that and the developer engaged me to try to find out why I felt that way. And he/she was totally cool about it.

    Shoulda just left it at “I criticize too much” instead of inventing crap that in no way characterizes what I was doing with my posts. Read more carefully next time. There are well-placed qualifications littered throughout my responses.

    Anyway let’s move on. I don’t hate ya

    Edit: added more inclusive pronouns

    To be clear, I don’t hate you either. 🤷‍♂️

  • For example, same sensation with Obsidian in NS2. Same “clinic” and “artificial” sound.

    Maybe good for psytrance, but not for my style.

  • edited August 2021

    This feels like a meaningful competitor to Continua, which is my current go-to poly synth.

    Nice touches:

    • The envelope attack/release picks up from the current value rather than resetting from zero (different than legato; I’ll explain more if you ask)
    • Impressive sequencer
    • Bitimbral
    • Once the forgivable v1 bugs are fixed, the “traditional” keyboard is more to my liking
    • For my uses, FT offers lower CPU usage
    • Double-tap to reset value!

    Continua has fewer pages and personally I prefer the continuously-variable oscillators vs. the drop down menu, but overall I’m very impressed.

    Also, both Audio Damage and Toneboosters make fantastic effects so I’m considering that a wash — but I think this one has a few more options.

    Edit to clarify: I don’t think of AD and TB as competitors, but since Flowtone and Continua are both semi-modular VA poly synths, there’s a major overlap in my usage. I will not be uninstalling Continua since it operates in some meaningfully-different ways and it’s not taking up space, but I may finally retire my Korg R3.

  • edited August 2021

    Such an interesting thread! It's like the parable of the blind men describing an elephant. This app reminds you of Continua? My goodness. Never in a million years would I put them in the same category. I'm at a loss, except to say it takes all kinds, and I see no reason in getting exercised over who likes this and who doesn't.

    But I think we can all agree that anyone who likes Flowtones also probably gravitates toward boutique hotels named something like "The Floyd" and calls bartenders mixologists and feels personally attacked by ads for anti-allergy medication that feature racially indistinct women having a delightful picnic in a field of wildflowers. THAT, at least, is something we can all agree on.

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