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Released: ToneBoosters Flowtones - virtual analog synthesizer

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  • richardyotrichardyot

    Personally I like synths can create interesting textures and mix timbres, and Flowtones does this very well.

    Maybe if you’re looking for a very meaty analog character then possibly you might be disappointed, but then there’s plenty of synths that can do that (Moog and Zeoon).

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps
    edited August 2021

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Such an interesting thread! It's like the parable of the blind men describing an elephant. This app reminds you of Continua? My goodness. Never in a million years would I put them in the same category. I'm at a loss, except to say it takes all kinds, and I see no reason in getting exercised over who likes this and who doesn't.

    But I think we can all agree that anyone who likes Flowtones also probably gravitates toward boutique hotels named something like "The Floyd" and calls bartenders mixologists and feels personally attacked by ads for anti-allergy medication that feature racially indistinct women having a delightful picnic in a field of wildflowers. THAT, at least, is something we can all agree on.

    Haha, I will ignore the latter half of your post (with a barely perceptible half-nod) to agree with the first part. Besides the Moogs, mood, and Zeeon, Continua is also in that group with great sounding oscillators.

  • jrjuliusjrjulius

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Such an interesting thread! It's like the parable of the blind men describing an elephant. This app reminds you of Continua? My goodness. Never in a million years would I put them in the same category. I'm at a loss, except to say it takes all kinds, and I see no reason in getting exercised over who likes this and who doesn't.

    But I think we can all agree that anyone who likes Flowtones also probably gravitates toward boutique hotels named something like "The Floyd" and calls bartenders mixologists and feels personally attacked by ads for anti-allergy medication that feature racially indistinct women having a delightful picnic in a field of wildflowers. THAT, at least, is something we can all agree on.

    Definitely curious — what do you see as the major differences between Flowtones and Continua? I agree that they’re meaningfully unique when you get into the weeds but I would 100% put them in the same categories:

    High-level: Virtual analogue > polyphonic-by-design > semi-modular: tap to assign opposed to mod matrix or virtual cables

    Sound-wise: Focus on PWM/cross-mod/FM/waveform skew > decent filters but not quite part of the “core appeal” > tons of love put into FX

    Typing this from The Le Germain Hotel while I infuse rosemary into simple syrup. I own and use beard oil.

    Not challenging your opinion, either — we no doubt use synths differently and I’m interested where you’re coming from.

  • Pierre118Pierre118

    It's a good synth, but nothing special. A bit overhyped.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @jrjulius said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    Such an interesting thread! It's like the parable of the blind men describing an elephant. This app reminds you of Continua? My goodness. Never in a million years would I put them in the same category. I'm at a loss, except to say it takes all kinds, and I see no reason in getting exercised over who likes this and who doesn't.

    But I think we can all agree that anyone who likes Flowtones also probably gravitates toward boutique hotels named something like "The Floyd" and calls bartenders mixologists and feels personally attacked by ads for anti-allergy medication that feature racially indistinct women having a delightful picnic in a field of wildflowers. THAT, at least, is something we can all agree on.

    Definitely curious — what do you see as the major differences between Flowtones and Continua? I agree that they’re meaningfully unique when you get into the weeds but I would 100% put them in the same categories:

    High-level: Virtual analogue > polyphonic-by-design > semi-modular: tap to assign opposed to mod matrix or virtual cables

    Sound-wise: Focus on PWM/cross-mod/FM/waveform skew > decent filters but not quite part of the “core appeal” > tons of love put into FX

    Typing this from The Le Germain Hotel while I infuse rosemary into simple syrup. I own and use beard oil.

    Not challenging your opinion, either — we no doubt use synths differently and I’m interested where you’re coming from.

    Continua has character. The TB reminds me of how I feel about most Korg hardware analog synths (just the feeling, not the sound)—severely lacking in that department.

  • aleyasaleyas
    edited August 2021

    Sometimes I feel like too much emphasis is put on 'character'. Like we're just droning and doing resonant filter sweeps all day, judging every nuance of the filter or the raw oscillator tone. The longer I use synths, the more I realize it's not necessarily all about tone, but for me its about sound design potential. Pads, rez bass, chord stabs.. any synth can do that. But a subtractive synth that can make a realistic(ish) harpsichord, acoustic piano, good EPs, cello, nylon strings, etc is something special. When I'm trying to design a sound like that, the 'character' of a filter or any other component is generally quite secondary. These days I find myself running the filters mostly dry, keeping resonance between 0-10%. Most filters sound similarish when used as a tool rather than an asset. In fact, I'd go far as to say that classics like the OB-XA and Prophet 5 are rather weak synths, with generally limited sound design potential. Subtractive synthesis has developed by leaps and bounds since the 80's. Tonewise they're great, no arguments there.. but the same old 'analog' sounds get boring after a while. I'd rather explore a synth that I could make excellent presets with, that go beyond this kind of low effort filtered wave sound. I feel that Flowtones is one of those synths with immense synthesis potential - most the tools are there. Dual layer in particular is one of the biggest assets. The only additional thing I could have hoped for is dual filter per layer, which could open up some even greater transient shaping potential in combined sounds.
    This is all just my own opinion and preference though.

  • lastmessiahlastmessiah

    @aleyas said:
    Sometimes I feel like too much emphasis is put on 'character'. Like we're just droning and doing resonant filter sweeps all day, judging every nuance of the filter or the raw oscillator tone. The longer I use synths, the more I realize it's not necessarily all about tone, but for me its about sound design potential. Pads, rez bass, chord stabs.. any synth can do that. But a subtractive synth that can make a realistic(ish) harpsichord, acoustic piano, good EPs, cello, nylon strings, etc is something special. When I'm trying to design a sound like that, the 'character' of a filter or any other component is generally quite secondary. These days I find myself running the filters mostly dry, keeping resonance between 0-10%. Most filters sound similarish when used as a tool rather than an asset. In fact, I'd go far as to say that classics like the OB-XA and Prophet 5 are rather weak synths, with generally limited sound design potential. Subtractive synthesis has developed by leaps and bounds since the 80's. Tonewise they're great, no arguments there.. but the same old 'analog' sounds get boring after a while. I'd rather explore a synth that I could make excellent presets with, that go beyond this kind of low effort filtered wave sound. I feel that Flowtones is one of those synths with immense synthesis potential - most the tools are there. Dual layer in particular is one of the biggest assets. The only additional thing I could have hoped for is dual filter per layer, which could open up some even greater transient shaping potential in combined sounds.
    This is all just my own opinion and preference though.

    Yes, most of the time when people criticize a synth for its "character" you can assume they are just preset surfers. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what synthesis even is. It is a synthesizer - you make it sound how you want it to sound.

  • richardyotrichardyot

    The formant filter is a pretty unique feature, it can create some pretty weird and cool sounds.

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    @lastmessiah said:

    @aleyas said:
    Sometimes I feel like too much emphasis is put on 'character'. Like we're just droning and doing resonant filter sweeps all day, judging every nuance of the filter or the raw oscillator tone. The longer I use synths, the more I realize it's not necessarily all about tone, but for me its about sound design potential. Pads, rez bass, chord stabs.. any synth can do that. But a subtractive synth that can make a realistic(ish) harpsichord, acoustic piano, good EPs, cello, nylon strings, etc is something special. When I'm trying to design a sound like that, the 'character' of a filter or any other component is generally quite secondary. These days I find myself running the filters mostly dry, keeping resonance between 0-10%. Most filters sound similarish when used as a tool rather than an asset. In fact, I'd go far as to say that classics like the OB-XA and Prophet 5 are rather weak synths, with generally limited sound design potential. Subtractive synthesis has developed by leaps and bounds since the 80's. Tonewise they're great, no arguments there.. but the same old 'analog' sounds get boring after a while. I'd rather explore a synth that I could make excellent presets with, that go beyond this kind of low effort filtered wave sound. I feel that Flowtones is one of those synths with immense synthesis potential - most the tools are there. Dual layer in particular is one of the biggest assets. The only additional thing I could have hoped for is dual filter per layer, which could open up some even greater transient shaping potential in combined sounds.
    This is all just my own opinion and preference though.

    Yes, most of the time when people criticize a synth for its "character" you can assume they are just preset surfers. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what synthesis even is. It is a synthesizer - you make it sound how you want it to sound.

    You can assume. But you can also assume that most people who use synthesizers are just preset surfers.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @oat_phipps said:

    @lastmessiah said:

    @aleyas said:
    Sometimes I feel like too much emphasis is put on 'character'. Like we're just droning and doing resonant filter sweeps all day, judging every nuance of the filter or the raw oscillator tone. The longer I use synths, the more I realize it's not necessarily all about tone, but for me its about sound design potential. Pads, rez bass, chord stabs.. any synth can do that. But a subtractive synth that can make a realistic(ish) harpsichord, acoustic piano, good EPs, cello, nylon strings, etc is something special. When I'm trying to design a sound like that, the 'character' of a filter or any other component is generally quite secondary. These days I find myself running the filters mostly dry, keeping resonance between 0-10%. Most filters sound similarish when used as a tool rather than an asset. In fact, I'd go far as to say that classics like the OB-XA and Prophet 5 are rather weak synths, with generally limited sound design potential. Subtractive synthesis has developed by leaps and bounds since the 80's. Tonewise they're great, no arguments there.. but the same old 'analog' sounds get boring after a while. I'd rather explore a synth that I could make excellent presets with, that go beyond this kind of low effort filtered wave sound. I feel that Flowtones is one of those synths with immense synthesis potential - most the tools are there. Dual layer in particular is one of the biggest assets. The only additional thing I could have hoped for is dual filter per layer, which could open up some even greater transient shaping potential in combined sounds.
    This is all just my own opinion and preference though.

    Yes, most of the time when people criticize a synth for its "character" you can assume they are just preset surfers. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what synthesis even is. It is a synthesizer - you make it sound how you want it to sound.


    You can assume. But you can also assume that most people who use synthesizers are just preset surfers.

    If so, then there is a huge opportunity for preset designers to unleash their genius using this synth for those who won’t take the time.

  • aleyasaleyas
    edited August 2021

    @lastmessiah said:

    @aleyas said:
    Sometimes I feel like too much emphasis is put on 'character'. Like we're just droning and doing resonant filter sweeps all day, judging every nuance of the filter or the raw oscillator tone. The longer I use synths, the more I realize it's not necessarily all about tone, but for me its about sound design potential. Pads, rez bass, chord stabs.. any synth can do that. But a subtractive synth that can make a realistic(ish) harpsichord, acoustic piano, good EPs, cello, nylon strings, etc is something special. When I'm trying to design a sound like that, the 'character' of a filter or any other component is generally quite secondary. These days I find myself running the filters mostly dry, keeping resonance between 0-10%. Most filters sound similarish when used as a tool rather than an asset. In fact, I'd go far as to say that classics like the OB-XA and Prophet 5 are rather weak synths, with generally limited sound design potential. Subtractive synthesis has developed by leaps and bounds since the 80's. Tonewise they're great, no arguments there.. but the same old 'analog' sounds get boring after a while. I'd rather explore a synth that I could make excellent presets with, that go beyond this kind of low effort filtered wave sound. I feel that Flowtones is one of those synths with immense synthesis potential - most the tools are there. Dual layer in particular is one of the biggest assets. The only additional thing I could have hoped for is dual filter per layer, which could open up some even greater transient shaping potential in combined sounds.
    This is all just my own opinion and preference though.

    Yes, most of the time when people criticize a synth for its "character" you can assume they are just preset surfers. It betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of what synthesis even is. It is a synthesizer - you make it sound how you want it to sound.

    Nothing wrong with preset surfing. After all, I do value a deep synth so that I can meticulously program great sounds for future jams. I can't fully criticize folks for loving and judging synths based on their character or fundamental 'tone', after all, I subscribed to that mentality for many years myself. Knob twiddling and tweaking are no less important that targeted synthesis. I think for tweaks, character is really important in a synth - hence the endless 303, 101, 909 debates. If a synth is that limited, I suppose its character is really its defining feature. But in the case of synths like Moog One, MatrixBrute, Synthmaster One, Mela, their careful engineering to take the highest advantage of synthesis are their greatest asset. A careful balance of tone vs capability is of course important.. I just find myself increasingly bored of all the synths whose sole differentiating feature are their filters and VCOs.

  • horsetrainerhorsetrainer

    Why I like TB's new Flowtones synth...

    The brilliantly designed user interface is clean and laid out very intuitively. The sound shaping parameters are a mix of traditional with some unique elements such as unison, and an interesting attack bending feature called punch on each of the four oscillators.

    For me this is a great synth for exploring sound creation ideas. It's not just programming your average subtractive synth. The new features provide additional dimensions to explore for thinking about sound.

    The oscillators seem to use a wavetable-type method for modulating pulse width. But it seems more than pulse-width for certain available waveforms, it's looks more to me like wavetable.

    Maybe @DJB could verify if this is indeed a form of wavetable?

    @DJB mentioned a possibility for adding additional waveforms earlier in this thread. If this is wavetable based, and even a small collection of wavetables could be added, I think that would further broaden the creative scope of Flowtones significantly.

    The sequencer is really fun. It's more like a very playable and easy to setup arpeggiator capable of both simple or complex patterns.

    @DJB ..... If the sequencer could be made to output Midi for recording or playing other synths, I think that would be a great feature.

    I think the sequencer is so good that it could be an app all by itself.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited August 2021

    @horsetrainer said: ... additional dimensions to explore for thinking about sound.
    ... and how about that in a several synth situation, that's what many I guess here are playing, multitimbrally, in the mix, fast/slow, sequenced, arpeggiated, free-form etc. ... it's a good synth, like all on ios, aren't there/these not most of them/all overwhelmingly good synths, really? and then played together/ensemble? another gate to another dimension and so forth

  • abfabf

    The presets I've gone through so far are ok but I didn't love the sound until I started with the detuned saw template and went from there. Many soft synths have come and gone in my life, Flowtones will stay.

    In my opinion, with the soft synths I've owned, there is little difference in how the oscillators sound on their own. But combining oscillators is when I begin to hear irritating issues. I also dislike, to the point of finding unusable, the resonance on many softsynths. On some (unnamed) synths I especially dislike the sound of highly resonant patches with an lfo modulating the cutoff. Shiny screech. I don't hear those issues so far when creating patches on Flowtones. It sounds like a soft synth to me, but nice and smooth with a bit of grit. The unison is beautiful.

    I'm not a preset surfer, though. This synth might be disappointing for presets, I don't know. Start with the detuned saw template, add a lp filter, a slow lfo to cutoff, slow attack, a bit of release, turn on unison and that is a beautiful sound.

    Thanks to Toneboosters for another great sounding, very lovely and affordable tool for my music. I love your user interfaces, your attention to detail, and the sound quality of all your plugins, iOS and desktop. I'm grateful!

  • MadGavMadGav

    @richardyot said:
    The formant filter is a pretty unique feature, it can create some pretty weird and cool sounds.

    I’m wondering if this gives Flowtones the potential to replace the formant sounds of the FS1R I once had… liked those sounds but they did have a particular character which I won’t miss.

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    I know that maybe was discussed.

    I’m on pc versions now.

    Wondering if I will buy it also for iPad.

    Dumb question.

    I can not save preset 😂😂😂

    How do You do saving?

  • branisbranis

    @Charlesalbert said:
    I know that maybe was discussed.

    I’m on pc versions now.

    Wondering if I will buy it also for iPad.

    Dumb question.

    I can not save preset 😂😂😂

    How do You do saving?

    Click the hamburger menu top right and select “save as copy”. After saving you can rename your preset

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

    Ok. I bought it and I was able to do on IPad. But same thing does not work for me on pc😂
    The save program (copy) is unselectable😳

  • CharlesalbertCharlesalbert

  • OnfraySinOnfraySin

    @Charlesalbert said:
    Ok. I bought it and I was able to do on IPad. But same thing does not work for me on pc😂
    The save program (copy) is unselectable😳

    You have the demo version

  • DJBDJB

    Saving is disabled on PC / mac if you run the demo version. These options will become available as soon as a valid license has been detected. If that doesn't explain the issue of not being able to save, please drop us a line via our contact form so we can sort it out asap...

  • SergiuSergiu

    I want the Nlog pro to be fixed! :)

  • DJBDJB

    @oat_phipps said:


    Now, I didn’t do anything too extensive or precise, because honestly to my ears when a/b ing single notes, I admit I couldn’t tell much difference other than the other synths had a little more ‘compressed’ sound to them.

    I’m a complete amateur at this, and like I said my direct ear test leads me to think I might just be imagining things. Maybe the TB’s are “too perfect” and thus sound a little cleaner and without that harsh high end accumulating? The top scope in each picture is the TB. The bottom scopes are 1) Model D 2) Model 15 3) mood. As you can see, the TB’s are textbook-shaped as advertised. Filters were off and/or all the way open, resonance all the way at 0.

    So what it comes down to is maybe I imagined the difference greater than it is, or it is the filters more the culprit than the actual oscs, but I still get that “off” feeling with the TB.

    Obviously feeling isn’t scientific nor reliable from person to person, so I hope I didn’t give the impression to anyone on the fence or to @DJB that I was outright trashing the synth. Or that I’m some kind of audio expert (I’m a decent musician but actually paying attention to tones and timbres is still something pretty new to me). I felt like I was being respectfully honest, and I think no less of TB now than I did before thanks to all the stuff they’ve done that did click with me.

    Finally, appreciate the back and forth DJB and you being totally cool about it.

    Thanks @oat_phipps ; that's very helpful! Certainly triggers thoughts on adding new oscillator algorithms in the VCO :-)

  • abfabf

    One thing I'm not understanding- how do I overwrite a patch? I've created a patch, saved it, now I've made minor adjustments and want to overwrite the patch with my new version. What is the simplest way to do that?

  • craftycuratecraftycurate
    edited August 2021

    @abf said:
    One thing I'm not understanding- how do I overwrite a patch? I've created a patch, saved it, now I've made minor adjustments and want to overwrite the patch with my new version. What is the simplest way to do that?

    The only way I’ve found is to “save program” a second time. It saves immediately. There’s no overwrite warning so if you want to create a new patch, use “save program (copy) from the Burger menu.

  • abfabf

    @craftycurate
    Thank you, that's easy! "Save Program" brings up the same box as "Save Program Copy" so I was confused as there is no alert message.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @craftycurate said:

    @abf said:
    One thing I'm not understanding- how do I overwrite a patch? I've created a patch, saved it, now I've made minor adjustments and want to overwrite the patch with my new version. What is the simplest way to do that?

    The only way I’ve found is to “save program” a second time. It saves immediately. There’s no overwrite warning so if you want to create a new patch, use “save program (copy) from the Burger menu.

    @DJB Yes, a warning in case one did not intend to overwrite the standard patch would be helpful, with “Overwrite” and “Cancel” (and maybe even “Save A Copy”) options would be great.

  • DJBDJB

    By the way can I express our appreciation of everyone here and on other forums to provide feedback (by means of compliments and constructive feedback for improvements and new features)? It is this kind of feedback that keeps us going and implementing improvements in our apps!

    We may not be able to respond to each and every suggestion, and not every suggestion may make it in the app, but reading the discussions are are absolutely valuable so thank you!

  • echooperaechoopera

    @DJB so looking forward to this synth. Congrats on the release. Can’t wait to play with it.

  • branisbranis

    @DJB one minor suggestion. When tapping a value underneath a knob the iOS keyboard opens for manual value input. Could the keyboard open in numerical mode (as if the “.?123” button was pressed)? I think I saw this in another app, I can’t remember which one though. It’s not a big deal, but saves a click :)

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