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WTF Will Smith?
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“Mostly because we tend towards sexist attitudes that make it a unfriendly place for females.” Can you give some examples of your sexist remarks?
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I’m not speaking for McD and I’m trying hard to stay out of these threads but I’ve noticed, over time, many threads and posts that open up addressing the forum with “gentlemen, fellas etc..” written with the (maybe unconscious) false attitude that there are no women that post here or ever will. That’s the thought that crosses my mind when ever I see it.
Do you disagree?
Ummm, not so often, I believe. I occasionally say “guys” but I’m thinking that’s pretty vernacular, but maybe that’s not the case.
I’ve never said “gentlemen” or “fellas” and I don’t see that very often. But maybe I’m missing them. Still, a good example. And it’s hard not to have in mind that it’s almost all older men here.
I don’t know if @Lady_App_titude wants to waste her time on this. But she certainly would have the perspective.
I was not directing that at you or anyone in particular! I just know I’ve had that thought more than once here. I’m sure I’ve done the “guys” thing too which is kind of unisex at this point IMO. Side note: in the past when I was trained at a chain restaurant as server, we were encouraged not to address the table as “Hi guys”, they wanted “folks” or something different- “Good evening, everyone” etc etc. But the reason was that it’s too casual and our place was “Polished casual” or something like that. Not sexism. It was also forbidden to pop the top of a wine bottle… Also, almost every server, host and all the managers said “Hi guys” to almost every table, every night. 😂
Good point. On the other hand he proved himself in many people’s eyes.
Hhhm a bit hypocritical considering his sexual assault of Alicia Silverstone onstage at the 1997 MTV Movie Awards where he grabbed and forcibly kissed her whilst she clearly tried to push him away.
A 35 year old man forcing himself into a 19 year old girl…
For anyone that wants to see the "assault" Roll tape from 25 years ago:
IMHO, Carrey is more vulnerable for his years as an anti-vaxxer when the "autism scare" was going strong. He was at the time married to Jenny McCarthy.
I believe in redemption.
It's just all bullshit, isn’t it.
Maybe we’ll also forgive Will Smith in 25 years.
Pretty fucking much.
Maybe the scepticism about the sexual assault in the video partly explains why so few women seem to post in forums such as thus.
Anyone touching another person in a sexual or intimate fashion without consent given is committing a sexual assault.
I wonder if any of the sceptics would be so relaxed if it was their mother/sister/daughter etc being kissed/touched/etc against their will ?
There’s no skepticism here Carey was wrong then but that doesn’t excuse Smith’s behaviour now, it just shows the inflated egos that come with fame.
McD for one seems to sceptical putting the assault in quotation marks…
It does also show the hypocrisy, privilege and racism that seems to permeate this issue (in society not just specifically here) as there’s many illustrations of Oscar winners having committed similar or worse offences over the years without the same cries for punitive action, even to the point where Jim Carey felt he could go on TV and pontificate about the situation when he is just as guilty of such an offence.
I agree and hopefully we can talk with respect to one another about these issues and hopefully learn from them to.
I didn't have cable TV growing up, so I never saw this until now. 😱 What an asshole!
If any of those other incidents happened within the last few days, I guarantee the majority here would be treating the subject and those involved with the same level of disdain, or greater. I don't think anyone is excusing anything.
Also, are you saying that Carrey couldn't have atoned; that in all of this time he hasn't grown, and doesn't regret past issues? Once guilty, always guilty?
I’ve yet to see an evidence of it…
As for Jim Carey I’ve seen no public apology or show of contrition, not even an understanding of how someone can act rashly in a moment and then come to regret.
Just a self righteous interview where he claims if he was in that position he’d have sued Will Smith for a large amount of money as the video will exist and humiliate him for ever.
I wonder how he would feel if Alicia Silverstone followed his advice ???
Also time does not excuse an offence, the Harvey Weinstein crimes were exposed in recent times and he has suffered to removal of his awards etc.
Still, they are both white…
I didn't say time excuses an offence. Time wasn't the operative word, atonement was.
Lest we dare forget...
You start by saying
“If any of those incidents happened within the last few days…”
Which certainly seems to infer that that time is a factor, anyway as for JIm Carey have you any evidence that he has offered any atonement ?
I’ve certainly not seen any…
The whiteness of past offenders certainly does seem to play into it, considering that the current outcry against WS and the lack of for others.
Another video showing Will Smith slapping a white man, was highlighted by a UK newspaper, purely to create hate towards Will Smith IMO, after watching it I would say Will Smith was assaulted by the white man, in much the same way Alicia was.
When you can’t blame the victim, blame everyone who talks about the crime.
Still not sure if CR is an individual, troll-farm or a chat-bot.
The victim is WS wife not CR not WS, she was the one who had her medical condition mocked on national TV.
Everything else is a result of that poor decision.
Medical condition 😂 🤣 🤣
I mentioned time in reference to two separate things: One being the topical-ness of this most recent issue, and the time in which I speculated Carrey could've atoned/grown.
The narrative you're pushing is causing you to draw negative conclusions based on speculations about how you believe a group of (essentially) strangers on an internet forum would've responded to events that happened anytime up to 25 years ago. You can't seem to grok that the reason this is being talked about is because it happened a few effin' days ago, and the whole world happens to be talking about it. It's got nothing to do with his race, but everything to do with it being a cultural 'moment', durimg a time when cultural 'moments' are beamed direct to our phones within seconds, and when we all have many different outlets with which we can instantly share our opinions.
The whiteness of past offenders, has nothing to do with any of it. You're conveniently ignoring comments within this thread that are testifying to the fact that all given examples are considered reprehensible.
Hypothetically, had it been Ricky Gervais getting slapped by Brad Pitt, for making a joke about Brad's wife, I'm guessing the situation would be almost the same. Ironically, I think it might be slightly less jarring because I don't think Pitt is held in the same 'upstanding citizen' regard as Smith.
Calling JPS a “victim” throws victimhood totally out of whack, IMO. Is she a victim of a disease, of a poor joke, of society, of her husbands insensitivity, of a cruel world? Where on the victim scale does she fall compared to the “victims” in the Urkranian massacres.
Orthodox Jewish women are not allowed to show their hair (sex arousing for pale Jewish Talmudic students). The rich ones buy $2000 wigs which are far more arousing than their own hair. JPS could wear a gorgeous wig… price is no object, right? It’s no stigma for stars to do such things. I’m sure she considers herself beautiful bald. We see such in the pages of fashion magazines every day.
As to Carey, he is, indeed, a hypocrite for not bringing up his own misdeeds.
You’re missing my point, it’s not the fact it’s being discussed that bothers me, people talk, that’s the way of the world.
Its the cries for punitive action to be taken against him which hasn’t happened to other white Oscar winners who have committed offences.
You don’t think alopecia is a medical condition ?
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/70956
Sorry if I offended bald people around the world. I didn’t mean to be baldist.
Jesus some nice victim blaming and misogyny going here mate.
JPS has a medical condition which is publicly known, she’s the victim as CR made a “joke” that was a best crass and tasteless and at worst cruel and bullying depending on the situation.
She is the only one blameless in the situation,
Yes CR is a victim too as he was struck by WS, although he shares some responsibility for the provocation due to his tasteless “joke” so my sympathy for him is small.
As for other woman around the world and other tragedies they are terrible too however one does not discount the other and thankfully there is no scale to caring, nice try at a bit of whatabouterry though.
Irrespective of how JPS feels about herself and how she looks she should be able to do so without having to have cruel jokes made at her expense.