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  • @Danny_Mammy said:
    i find it weird to post beta notes. guess I'm old fashioned.

    It’s a Public beta tho

  • edited May 24

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  • @Jökulgil said:

    Really needs midi export for it to continue to be a useful tool.

    I don't think it's meant as a standalone tool. The idea is to create stuff on the iPad which you can then open in Ableton. That's where you'd export the midi.

  • Lets say I record 24 tracks (24 X 8bars) in AUM, can I bring them into Note and populate Abletons session view this way? Can it group the tracks like in Ableton itself?

  • edited May 24

    @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Lets say I record 24 tracks (24 X 8bars) in AUM, can I bring them into Note and populate Abletons session view this way? Can it group the tracks like in Ableton itself?

    Nope 👎 Nothing in or out (except a wav of your tracks)

    I meant if I can import recorded WAVs from AUM inside the Audioshare folder and group them in Note instead of having to use Ableton on my Mac for this.

  • @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Lets say I record 24 tracks (24 X 8bars) in AUM, can I bring them into Note and populate Abletons session view this way? Can it group the tracks like in Ableton itself?

    Nope 👎 Nothing in or out (except a wav of your tracks)

    I meant if I can import recorded WAVs from AUM inside the Audioshare folder and group them in Note instead of having to use Ableton on my Mac for this.

    There is a basic Sampler you can load up to 16 bars into but Ableton Note is limited to 8 Tracks max. 1 Sampler per track only.

    This sucks, even Pro Tools Sketch looks like a more useful option.

  • @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Jökulgil said:

    @kirmesteggno said:
    Lets say I record 24 tracks (24 X 8bars) in AUM, can I bring them into Note and populate Abletons session view this way? Can it group the tracks like in Ableton itself?

    Nope 👎 Nothing in or out (except a wav of your tracks)

    I meant if I can import recorded WAVs from AUM inside the Audioshare folder and group them in Note instead of having to use Ableton on my Mac for this.

    There is a basic Sampler you can load up to 16 bars into but Ableton Note is limited to 8 Tracks max. 1 Sampler per track only.

    This sucks, even Pro Tools Sketch looks like a more useful option.

    It’s great for starting off ideas and has a beautiful UI but you reach a point when you want a more flexible palette of AUv3 sounds and effects and want the midi/audio out.

    On a phone where there's a limited app selection I can see how this could be useful. But on an iPad I'd want to take advantage of all those great creative AUv3s for ideation.

    It’s why I’ve switched to a more flexible system with AUM and Helium
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/60774/aum-set-up-for-quick-capture-default

    Makes sense. I'm covered as well and have my workflows for ideation in AUM or Drambo (soon trying out Loopy Pro). I was just looking for a way to bring the recordings into my DAW of choice which is still Ableton.

  • edited May 24

    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

  • If only there were other iPad sequencer apps that could host AUv3s.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    If only there were other iPad sequencer apps that could host AUv3s. /s

    Fixed that for you 😉

  • edited May 24

    @Jökulgil said:

    @mistercharlie said:

    @Jökulgil said:

    Really needs midi export for it to continue to be a useful tool.

    I don't think it's meant as a standalone tool. The idea is to create stuff on the iPad which you can then open in Ableton. That's where you'd export the midi.

    I know this. It’s laborious. Hence my suggestion. Just let me export the MIDI from the app so I can use it elsewhere (Helium or any DAW) and make the app useful again. The alternative is where we are now.

    Don’t get me wrong, I was a big fan of the app but I tired of the limited sounds and tweakability and, exporting the midi individually via Ableton was tiresome.

    I just realised that I feel the same. I mean, I get it, Ableton devs make ios app for Ableton users. I just liked how it worked as a, er, notepad for ideas but I feel like it's waste of effort as I don't export to Ableton from it. Sand is a bit like it but it gets in its own way, in some respects.

  • @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

  • I love the export to Live. The cloud transfer is easy IMO. The direct transfer of devices, automation, and session configuration on export is different (in a good way) than Ableton export out of Gadget and Groovebox.

    I wish it had just a little more basic functionality. Being able to set the time signature is the biggest want.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    Nobody?! Like...I'm a nobody?

  • @drez said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    Nobody?! Like...I'm a nobody?

    🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    Thank god I don't listen to you so that I can just use Note exactly like intended and think its great. I was worried that I was missing so much. But alas...I am not.

    And I've been an existing Ableton user since version 2 :lol:

    I can get an idea down in 10min anywhere. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again.

    Works for me, one of the Nobody.

  • edited May 24

    @drez said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    Thank god I don't listen to you so that I can just use Note exactly like intended and think its great. I was worried that I was missing so much. But alas...I am not.

    And I've been an existing Ableton user since version 2 :lol:

    I can get an idea down in 10min anywhere. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again.

    Works for me, one of the Nobody.

    I c an see what they mean tbf. It does feel like the workflow in Note is stifled as much to usher the user towards Ableton as it is for the notepad aesthetic. If it is about Ableton the DAW then be upfront about that but Note isn't making me want to crack out my copy. I think it's like someone else said, getting a tune from Note into Ableton and carrying on the creative vibe I get from Note doesn't happen for me and it's something about the process that kills it.

  • edited May 24

    @drez said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    Thank god I don't listen to you so that I can just use Note exactly like intended and think its great. I was worried that I was missing so much. But alas...I am not.

    And I've been an existing Ableton user since version 2 :lol:

    I can get an idea down in 10min anywhere. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again.

    Works for me, one of the Nobody.

    I need fleshed out tools to create what I have in mind, for ideas i rather use an actual note app like Apple notes. Ableton user since version 6.

    I use the session view in Ableton like mood board where I dump my recordings from the iPad. I have a UI/UX background and the nice UI and UX they have designed for Apple Notes doesn't let me forget the fundamental issues with it for my workflow.

    Then there's also r/Ableton which is probably the biggest Ableton online community. If you search for threads about Note you'll see that I'm not alone with my opinion. Most people there don't have a use for it because it fails in one of those mentioned areas. It's too opinionated because function (capability) follows form (UI), it's an UI/UX project and showing off those modernist design skills first and foremost in my opnion.

  • edited May 24

    it's quite simple, it's not designed to work with other ios music apps, its clearly marketed as that. It cost 7 euro and has a symbiotic link with Ableton live rather than other music iOS apps. Why would Ableton make note work with other IOS apps for only 7 euro? makes no business sense.

    Ableton note is not that old actually and it has constantly added features, good ones too. it will continue to improve.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @drez said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    Thank god I don't listen to you so that I can just use Note exactly like intended and think its great. I was worried that I was missing so much. But alas...I am not.

    And I've been an existing Ableton user since version 2 :lol:

    I can get an idea down in 10min anywhere. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again.

    Works for me, one of the Nobody.

    I need fleshed out tools to create what I have in mind, for ideas i rather use an actual note app like Apple notes. Ableton user since version 6.

    I use the session view in Ableton like mood board where I dump my recordings from the iPad. I have a UI/UX background and the nice UI and UX they have designed for Apple Notes doesn't let me forget the fundamental issues with it for my workflow.

    Then there's also r/Ableton which is probably the biggest Ableton online community. If you search for threads about Note you'll see that I'm not alone with my opinion. Most people there don't have a use for it because it fails in one of those mentioned areas. It's too opinionated because function (capability) follows form (UI), it's an UI/UX project and showing off those modernist design skills first and foremost in my opnion.

    You seem to have your workflow sorted out! I love the idea of the "mood board."

    It does seem like Note is not for you, though, and maybe that's why you find it irritating? I mean, of all the little sandboxed apps I can pull out on the subway on my way to work, Note is the most reliably inspiring. I do suspect that the Ableton team sees it as a vector primarily for new Ableton users. Note gives you a feel of the mother product, and the easy transfer of half-baked commute sketch into Ableton Suite is appealing. If you are Ableton-curious but maybe a little intimidated, Note is a very gentle way into the ecosystem.

  • i saw someone who wanted the capture feature but more open-ended iOS features, iOS logic can do that for a subscription fee.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @drez said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    Thank god I don't listen to you so that I can just use Note exactly like intended and think its great. I was worried that I was missing so much. But alas...I am not.

    And I've been an existing Ableton user since version 2 :lol:

    I can get an idea down in 10min anywhere. Then do it again. Then do it again. Then do it again.

    Works for me, one of the Nobody.

    I need fleshed out tools to create what I have in mind, for ideas i rather use an actual note app like Apple notes. Ableton user since version 6.

    I use the session view in Ableton like mood board where I dump my recordings from the iPad. I have a UI/UX background and the nice UI and UX they have designed for Apple Notes doesn't let me forget the fundamental issues with it for my workflow.

    Then there's also r/Ableton which is probably the biggest Ableton online community. If you search for threads about Note you'll see that I'm not alone with my opinion. Most people there don't have a use for it because it fails in one of those mentioned areas. It's too opinionated because function (capability) follows form (UI), it's an UI/UX project and showing off those modernist design skills first and foremost in my opnion.

    You seem to have your workflow sorted out! I love the idea of the "mood board."

    It does seem like Note is not for you, though, and maybe that's why you find it irritating?

    Yes unfortunately. I'd pay $100 if not more for a Logic 4 iPad or Cubasis Ableton alternative. Even FL Mobile seems more capable. They all offer a more seamless workflow.

    I mean, of all the little sandboxed apps I can pull out on the subway on my way to work, Note is the most reliably inspiring. I do suspect that the Ableton team sees it as a vector primarily for new Ableton users.

    On a phone and "ultra mobile" use it's probably great, e.g. in public transport or waiting in line. I guess iPad users are a lower priority.

    Note gives you a feel of the mother product, and the easy transfer of half-baked commute sketch into Ableton Suite is appealing. If you are Ableton-curious but maybe a little intimidated, Note is a very gentle way into the ecosystem.

    Their web app is quite nice as well if you're just starting out: https://learningmusic.ableton.com

    Somehow I didn't find the session view or device chains / racks intimidating because I've seen it as a more abstract and simplified Reason from Propellerheads which was what a friend was using back then. I've also used an MPC 2000 XL before and it felt kinda similar, probably the closest thing as a DAW in the 2000s.

    I think Koala might be closer to Live if you're into sampling and Hip Hop, and Drambo if you're into electronic music. Both work great on phones too.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @Danny_Mammy said:
    it's designed to be used with Ableton live. Doesn't make sense for the app to do otherwise. You want the iOS app to always lead to the main DAW on mac/PC.. possibly P3S. Doesn't make business sense to do otherwise for this 7 euro app.

    The problem is that it's not good enough in integrating with Live on the desktop, nobody wants to work the way they have envisioned you should work using that app.

    That's rather categorical.

    A bit exaggerated but it's the truth. You can't chop samples properly (where is Simpler?), you can't sequence properly (crippled Piano roll), you can't prepare Abletons session view properly (limited tracks). Who is this for? It's not for existing Ableton users that's for sure.

    I use Note a lot. Very different headspace to using Live on the computer which is a good thing.

  • edited May 24

    no need for IAP for midi in, that's already implemented for free.

    I find IAP's a terrible idea. don't think anyone has been defensive. it's just forum talk.

  • I do wish Note could sample from other apps though. I love that you can record into the pads of a Drum Rack, but having to hook up a loopback interface makes it a pain to sample from apps.

  • edited May 25

    Direct sampling from other apps would be convenient. Being able to import into sampler from the device does open Note up to external audio sources but I agree that sampling audio in another app then importing into Note or recording from another device is an extra step.

  • edited May 25

    @Jökulgil said:
    I’m talking about midi in and midi out via the app, not being restricted by having to use ableton.

    I respect your opinion regarding IAP’s, I was just thinking about how to make them money and give (some) customers what they want.

    I’m glad we’re on the same page about forum discussion even if we don’t agree in this instance. It’s clear we both like the app a lot 🤝

    cool, i wouldn't want to imply anything personal/emotional. in the end it just bunch of people's opinions.

    there will be improvement to note over this year.

    one of my personal hopes is midi MPE in since most Ableton instrument are MPE now.

    simpler slice mode be cool too.

    also, i love to be able to create my own presets via Ableton live and have the cloud send these presets to note, however i don't think they will implement this.

  • @Danny_Mammy said:

    @Jökulgil said:
    I’m talking about midi in and midi out via the app, not being restricted by having to use ableton.

    I respect your opinion regarding IAP’s, I was just thinking about how to make them money and give (some) customers what they want.

    I’m glad we’re on the same page about forum discussion even if we don’t agree in this instance. It’s clear we both like the app a lot 🤝

    cool, i wouldn't want to imply anything personal/emotional. in the end it just bunch of people's opinions.

    there will be improvement to note over this year.

    one of my personal hopes is midi MPE in since most Ableton instrument are MPE now.

    simpler slice mode be cool too.

    also, i love to be able to create my own presets via Ableton live and have the cloud send these presets to note, however i don't think they will implement this.

    Those would be awesome updates, I'd use it a lot more with MPE and preset exchange.

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