KNOCK by DECAP (Released)

Gavinski

Bass Mint also nowhere in the same ballpark

Gavinski

Same goes for FAC Transient

michael_m

@Gavinski said:
Same goes for FAC Transient

Transient is a little different though, isn’t it? I think the idea of it is more about shaping the overall sound via transients, so it can be both additive and subtractive, so to speak.

Gavinski

@michael_m said:

@Gavinski said:
Same goes for FAC Transient

Transient is a little different though, isn’t it? I think the idea of it is more about shaping the overall sound via transients, so it can be both additive and subtractive, so to speak.

Sure, I only mention it because I think someone brought it up here as a possible replacement for Knock, unless I remember wrongly, which is possible - this thread has been pretty long lol. Transient certainly could be part of an fx chain that could do what Knock can, but definitely there is a bit of magic under that Knock hood, it is very very phat-sounding.

michael_m

@Gavinski said:

@michael_m said:

@Gavinski said:
Same goes for FAC Transient

Transient is a little different though, isn’t it? I think the idea of it is more about shaping the overall sound via transients, so it can be both additive and subtractive, so to speak.

Sure, I only mention it because I think someone brought it up here as a possible replacement for Knock, unless I remember wrongly, which is possible - this thread has been pretty long lol. Transient certainly could be part of an fx chain that could do what Knock can, but definitely there is a bit of magic under that Knock hood, it is very very phat-sounding.

Certainly doesn’t seem like a replacement for Knock, that’s for sure. With the addition of some other tools in the FX chain it might, but not alone.

hansjbs

@DanteCooper said:

@Simon said:

@hansjbs said:
People are not willing to pay but are asking for pro apps. Anyways. ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

There is no such thing as "pro apps". It is a marketing term. Like "gourmet food".

There is tasty food and there is boring food. There is healthy food and unhealthy food.

There are apps that sound good and are useful. There are apps that sound bad and not so useful.

Call food "gourmet" and you can charge more for it. Call an app "pro" and you can charge more for it.

This is like saying there is no such thing as industrial strength cleaning products (also considered professional). The problem with some people is the need to feel more intelligent than what they are with wasteful spillage from the mouth. An “app” or “software” sounds like crap when it is amateur made. You don’t have bad sounding professional apps or softwares only amateur users that don’t know how to use them correctly. Your food comparison is lame. This is a 1:1 port of computer software therefore to me you shouldn’t even be calling it an app it is software and at a fraction of the cost of its desktop counter with all the same functionality and sound. I would pay the equivalent desktop price for it had it been released at that. Instead of paying for 5 cheaply made apps to equal the same sound that add up to the desktop price once done paying for them.

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression. I’ve been investing in iOS since 2010. I’ve dropped thousands of dollars into iPads and apps. Too much to let people that want to be cheap come in and ruin everything. If you don’t want to spend the money fine but, leave your dim witted comments to yourself. Let us that have been here from the beginning continue to do what we do best. Help further the future of what took you years to realize even existed. iOS is the future you can have your 3rd party apps they will always be there. I approve of desktop prices, if you give me desktop functionality and desktop sound. Bring it software developers we are here and waiting!!!!

🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽. Say it again, they didn’t hear you in the back 😂😂😂

AlmostAnonymous

@DanteCooper said:

@Simon said:

@hansjbs said:
People are not willing to pay but are asking for pro apps. Anyways. ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

There is no such thing as "pro apps". It is a marketing term. Like "gourmet food".

There is tasty food and there is boring food. There is healthy food and unhealthy food.

There are apps that sound good and are useful. There are apps that sound bad and not so useful.

Call food "gourmet" and you can charge more for it. Call an app "pro" and you can charge more for it.

This is like saying there is no such thing as industrial strength cleaning products (also considered professional). The problem with some people is the need to feel more intelligent than what they are with wasteful spillage from the mouth. An “app” or “software” sounds like crap when it is amateur made. You don’t have bad sounding professional apps or softwares only amateur users that don’t know how to use them correctly. Your food comparison is lame. This is a 1:1 port of computer software therefore to me you shouldn’t even be calling it an app it is software and at a fraction of the cost of its desktop counter with all the same functionality and sound. I would pay the equivalent desktop price for it had it been released at that. Instead of paying for 5 cheaply made apps to equal the same sound that add up to the desktop price once done paying for them.

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression. I’ve been investing in iOS since 2010. I’ve dropped thousands of dollars into iPads and apps. Too much to let people that want to be cheap come in and ruin everything. If you don’t want to spend the money fine but, leave your dim witted comments to yourself. Let us that have been here from the beginning continue to do what we do best. Help further the future of what took you years to realize even existed. iOS is the future you can have your 3rd party apps they will always be there. I approve of desktop prices, if you give me desktop functionality and desktop sound. Bring it software developers we are here and waiting!!!!

What AI wrote this? Pretty Good.

Simon

@DanteCooper said:
The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression.

You are displaying your own sheer ignorance... LOL

michael_m

@AlmostAnonymous said:

@DanteCooper said:

@Simon said:

@hansjbs said:
People are not willing to pay but are asking for pro apps. Anyways. ✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾✌🏾

There is no such thing as "pro apps". It is a marketing term. Like "gourmet food".

There is tasty food and there is boring food. There is healthy food and unhealthy food.

There are apps that sound good and are useful. There are apps that sound bad and not so useful.

Call food "gourmet" and you can charge more for it. Call an app "pro" and you can charge more for it.

This is like saying there is no such thing as industrial strength cleaning products (also considered professional). The problem with some people is the need to feel more intelligent than what they are with wasteful spillage from the mouth. An “app” or “software” sounds like crap when it is amateur made. You don’t have bad sounding professional apps or softwares only amateur users that don’t know how to use them correctly. Your food comparison is lame. This is a 1:1 port of computer software therefore to me you shouldn’t even be calling it an app it is software and at a fraction of the cost of its desktop counter with all the same functionality and sound. I would pay the equivalent desktop price for it had it been released at that. Instead of paying for 5 cheaply made apps to equal the same sound that add up to the desktop price once done paying for them.

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression. I’ve been investing in iOS since 2010. I’ve dropped thousands of dollars into iPads and apps. Too much to let people that want to be cheap come in and ruin everything. If you don’t want to spend the money fine but, leave your dim witted comments to yourself. Let us that have been here from the beginning continue to do what we do best. Help further the future of what took you years to realize even existed. iOS is the future you can have your 3rd party apps they will always be there. I approve of desktop prices, if you give me desktop functionality and desktop sound. Bring it software developers we are here and waiting!!!!

What AI wrote this? Pretty Good.

I would imagine it’s AI that was developed by an amateur…

SLPGroundSoundMusic

all ios daw prices depending of how many features it comes with should be all around $25 to $50 no more then that,
and all auv3 depending of how many features it has should all be around $5 to no more then $25,
that is fair pricing in my book, and even though i endup not using the apps i would be ok with buying it, and collecting them, but any more then that on pricing i must likely wont endup buying the app specially if im sure i will endup not using it much or at all,

because we already have most of the necessary tools on ios for creating pro music only using those apps and our mobile devices,

plus i learn from coming from pc to iphone that when it comes to music production on a pro level now days, its not all about the apps, its all about the producer/beatmaker, the creativity and experience plus knowing how to use and master the tools that they already have

enkaytee

I definitely fall into the 'amateur app hoarders' category but I'm still made to feel welcome in this forum and the wider iOS music community. The amount of talent out there amazes me - but generally the real creators and innovators don't feel the need to put others down or tell them they're 'standing in the way of us real musicians'...

Stuntman_mike

🤔 Music production apps = Pokémon, gotta catch ‘em all? 😂

brambos

you shouldn’t even be calling it an app it is software and at a fraction of the cost of its desktop counter

Because apps are not software, but merely primitive scribbles on a touchscreen.

bargale

@brambos said:

you shouldn’t even be calling it an app it is software and at a fraction of the cost of its desktop counter

Because apps are not software, but merely primitive scribbles on a touchscreen.

What makes software an app besides the dev not being able to retrieve the money and time spent onto making it?
Or maybe it the unstable nature of most of iOS, the less stable and cheaper, the better it is.
🤦‍♂️
30$ for the same plugin that is right now at 80$ on sale, and people buy it for the full price, price that’s 3x over the iOS version that gets you an iPhone compatible app as well.

Slush

@DanteCooper said:

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression.

I always have a problem with the amateur/professional definition. As what is the definition of an amateur vs a professional? You make money with what you do, is that it? And ‘amateurs’ stand in the way of the ‘professionals’? Vincent van Gogh never sold a painting in his life. I have lived for years in Amsterdam and always been amazed at the long queues of people waiting to get inside the Van Gogh museum to see his ‘masterpieces’.
I think there are countless artists who are incredibly talented, but never make a dime while another ‘artist’ farts into a microphone and appears sometime later on MTV Cribs to show off his car collection. Beauty is in the eye (ear) of the beholder, and only God knows what kind of masterpieces some of these amateurs app hoarders (who stood in the way of professionals) are creating in their basements.

Eschatone

@richardyot said:

@king_picadillo said:
@JanKun @richardyot Beatformer is dead? Haven’t used it in a bit, but it’s on a few tracks on my old iPad Pro running iOS 13

Yes Beatformer was bought out by Facebook and vanished from the App Store, I think it's even gone from the purchased list, so it won't survive a device upgrade.

It should still be available to you. Recently updated to latest iPad OS and Beatformer is still on my purchase list.

richardyot

@Eschatone said:

@richardyot said:

@king_picadillo said:
@JanKun @richardyot Beatformer is dead? Haven’t used it in a bit, but it’s on a few tracks on my old iPad Pro running iOS 13

Yes Beatformer was bought out by Facebook and vanished from the App Store, I think it's even gone from the purchased list, so it won't survive a device upgrade.

It should still be available to you. Recently updated to latest iPad OS and Beatformer is still on my purchase list.

That’s good to know, thanks. I’ll be updating to a new iPad tomorrow.

[Deleted User]

@DanteCooper said:
The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression.

Unfortunately there aren’t enough “real musicians” using iPads around to support music app developers alone, so the masses of “amateur app hoarders” like me are taking up the slack, and putting our hard earned money into developers pockets, helping to fuel the platform’s evolution into a proper thing.

Same as desktop. The number of ‘amateur software hoarders’ no doubt greatly outnumbers “real musician” customers. Most of the “real musicians” I know don’t even have an iPad or a copy of Ableton Live - they jump up and down in pubs with guitars for money.

What is a “real musician” anyway? A confused punter paid 31p last week for one of my dreary Bandcamp sludges - am I a Pro now? Perish the thought.

bygjohn

@enkaytee said:
I definitely fall into the 'amateur app hoarders' category but I'm still made to feel welcome in this forum and the wider iOS music community. The amount of talent out there amazes me - but generally the real creators and innovators don't feel the need to put others down or tell them they're 'standing in the way of us real musicians'...

☝️This. Just because some musicians don’t try to make a living from music, doesn’t make them some sort of sub-musician. Look at the quality of the postings in the creations section here, most of which (I suspect) aren’t from “professionals”.

If you think the app will be useful, and you’ll get your money’s worth from the outlay, great. If you don’t think you’ll get enough use out of it to justify the cost, and can do something similar with your existing apps for the odd occasion you might need it, also great.

Creative people will create, with whatever they can lay hands on.

SLPGroundSoundMusic

@Slush said:

@DanteCooper said:

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression.

I always have a problem with the amateur/professional definition. As what is the definition of an amateur vs a professional? You make money with what you do, is that it? And ‘amateurs’ stand in the way of the ‘professionals’? Vincent van Gogh never sold a painting in his life. I have lived for years in Amsterdam and always been amazed at the long queues of people waiting to get inside the Van Gogh museum to see his ‘masterpieces’.
I think there are countless artists who are incredibly talented, but never make a dime while another ‘artist’ farts into a microphone and appears sometime later on MTV Cribs to show off his car collection. Beauty is in the eye (ear) of the beholder, and only God knows what kind of masterpieces some of these amateurs app hoarders (who stood in the way of professionals) are creating in their basements.

to me the definition of a pro, is having enough knowledge, experience and skills in whatever you know and do,
and the definition of amateur to me is someone who doesn't have much knowledge on a field, but by collecting experience can reach the potential with time and dedication !

magnusovi

I’m the definition of a noob/amateur… lol

oat_phipps

@hansjbs said:
Yes!!!!! I’m with this. Bring on pro apps to iOS. Another instabuy for me. That’s 2 great app in less than a week. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽. Let’s goooooooooo

What was the other? Must’ve missed it

oat_phipps

I personally love having this higher priced stuff here. Makes purchases have a little more weight to them and thus you end up valuing them more [and even more on top because you are buying way less overall]. This clamoring for cheap shit reminds me of my torrent pirating days..one day I realized I was just collecting data for the small thrill of it instead of truly appreciating the things I was acquiring. Having an excess ruins the value of everything, as we’ve seen on iOS.

Slush

@SLPGroundSoundMusic said:

@Slush said:

@DanteCooper said:

The shear ignorance behind this madness of speaking I’ve seen on this forum only proves most of you people are amateur app hoarders standing in the way of us real musicians that are truly making money doing music and are investing in iOS to further its progression.

I always have a problem with the amateur/professional definition. As what is the definition of an amateur vs a professional? You make money with what you do, is that it? And ‘amateurs’ stand in the way of the ‘professionals’? Vincent van Gogh never sold a painting in his life. I have lived for years in Amsterdam and always been amazed at the long queues of people waiting to get inside the Van Gogh museum to see his ‘masterpieces’.
I think there are countless artists who are incredibly talented, but never make a dime while another ‘artist’ farts into a microphone and appears sometime later on MTV Cribs to show off his car collection. Beauty is in the eye (ear) of the beholder, and only God knows what kind of masterpieces some of these amateurs app hoarders (who stood in the way of professionals) are creating in their basements.

to me the definition of a pro, is having enough knowledge, experience and skills in whatever you know and do,
and the definition of amateur to me is someone who doesn't have much knowledge on a field, but by collecting experience can reach the potential with time and dedication !

But having knowledge enough to call oneself a ‘pro’ doesn’t mean someone has talent. To know everything about oil painting doesn’t make one Leonardo DaVinci. Knowledge doesn’t make artists.

Gavinski

@oat_phipps said:
I personally love having this higher priced stuff here. Makes purchases have a little more weight to them and thus you end up valuing them more [and even more on top because you are buying way less overall]. This clamoring for cheap shit reminds me of my torrent pirating days..one day I realized I was just collecting data for the small thrill of it instead of truly appreciating the things I was acquiring. Having an excess ruins the value of everything, as we’ve seen on iOS.

It will also make some of the indie devs on the platform need to step up their game massively in terms of UI / UX in order to compete. Emphasis here on 'some', as of course we have great indie devs on the platform too ticking all the boxes: innovation, great sound, great UI, great UX

taeo

What’s the definition of cheap?

Stuntman_mike

Hey everyone, I was tinkering with KNOCK this morning: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/53505/snacks-sundae-deluxe-loop/p1?new=1, it definitely has that “It” factor 🤩

Gavinski

Definitely, it’s not empty hype

hansjbs

@taeo said:
What’s the definition of cheap?

It depends on the person. To me cheap means badly made, easy to break, made with no love or care. That’s cheap to me.

hansjbs

@oat_phipps said:

@hansjbs said:
Yes!!!!! I’m with this. Bring on pro apps to iOS. Another instabuy for me. That’s 2 great app in less than a week. 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽. Let’s goooooooooo

What was the other? Must’ve missed it

The recent delay app , Magic Delay