Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

HotStrange

Wonder how many gigs of space this is gonna take up? I’m planning on upgrading to 1tb this summer but may have to offload some apps in the meantime. Potentially culling a lot of IAA only apps except Borderlands! It never leaves.

Lady_App_titude

How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

This feels like.. finally passing the canteen to that thirsty man begging in the desert, and then filling it with piss.

HotStrange

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

This feels like.. finally passing the canteen to that thirsty man begging in the desert, and then filling it with piss.

It doesn’t feel that way at all with me. Obviously I’m not excited it’s subscription based, but the value it’ll offer for me far offsets that. $5 a month is not bad at all and overall I’m not really disappointed. I can tell you are, and that’s fine, but really no reason to make the same comment over and over again when most people here are just really excited.

Totally fine to voice your concerns, but the same message with different wording every 10 comments is a bit tiresome and feels like purposefully raining on the parade at this point.

Tarekith

@NeuM said:

As I understand it, U-he is dependent on Steinberg and them updating their frameworks for U-he to be able to keep their software up to date. IMO, they have put themselves in a tenuous position by relying completely on a third party foundation for the life of their software.

Aren’t they one of the major players trying to get the Clap plug in format accepted too?

mjm1138

@HotStrange said:

Totally fine to voice your concerns, but the same message with different wording every 10 comments is a bit tiresome and feels like purposefully raining on the parade at this point.

I have to agree. And the hyperbole is a bit much. I think everyone gets it at this point: there are some folks here who will NEVVVVVARRR get LP because it is a subscription. Noted. Maybe y’all can start a thread with the folks who will NEVVVVARRR get another iPad until they bring back the headphone jack, and you can discuss how evil Apple is and how the rest of us are suckers. Enjoy!

Eclipxe

Software is very expensive to create and maintain. A subscription model is the only viable long term model for professional software.

I'm happy with a subscription for two reasons:

1. A recurring revenue stream means the software will continue to be invested in and receive updates. Abandonware is a real thing, especially on iOS (cough BM3).
2. I go through times where I'm not making music constantly or I try new software. A sub means I can simply pause/cancel and stop paying when I'm not using it.

Subscriptions align value delivery in a more efficient way. The vast majority of software will go this way. Just a matter of time. You can resist and be unhappy about it for moral grounds - but that's your loss. There's enough of us that have no issue with it and are happy to support quality software development that adds value to our lives. Sorry.

AudioGus

Well snap, if it is easy to import Endlesss loops and Beat Breaker is fun then I may just have to take that second mortgage out for 50$ whole USD dollars a year.

Lady_App_titude

@mjm1138 said:

@HotStrange said:

Totally fine to voice your concerns, but the same message with different wording every 10 comments is a bit tiresome and feels like purposefully raining on the parade at this point.

I have to agree. And the hyperbole is a bit much. I think everyone gets it at this point: there are some folks here who will NEVVVVVARRR get LP because it is a subscription. Noted. Maybe y’all can start a thread with the folks who will NEVVVVARRR get another iPad until they bring back the headphone jack, and you can discuss how evil Apple is and how the rest of us are suckers. Enjoy!

NeuM

@pepebaõ said:

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

This feels like.. finally passing the canteen to that thirsty man begging in the desert, and then filling it with piss.

This guy heard your call

How many people who ARE using this software professionally are very worried about this development?

EcalusSonda

Subscription is fantastic for my kind of usage. I have a lot of hobbies, have a lot of apps, places to go, people to see, work, family .. sometimes I will feel like working on a project for a month or two and then move on many other things… don’t want to pay for an app I don’t use an sits there like so many others already. Sometimes I just feel like use AUM. And if I do wish to use LP just pay 5 bucks. Not a big deal. I don’t have patience for negativity. How many people will get this an spend months not opening it.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

This feels like.. finally passing the canteen to that thirsty man begging in the desert, and then filling it with piss.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rzz2qut4ad54iu/crybaby.m4a?dl=0

(Note: This is meant to be a bit of light teasing.)

drez

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

>

I never thought about or cared about it. I just thought of having a great daw on the platform. It’s more important for me to use the daw than to worry about things like if it’s sub or not. My time is worth more than either the sub price or the price if bought outright. How it makes me feel when using it will be the barometer on if I pay for it or not. After that, if it’s worth the price, I pay it. If not, I don’t. Sub has nothing really to do with it.

NeuM

@pepebaõ said:
You’re right, I guess zero. Or a tiny percentage.

That’s the reason why they choose this model subscription I guess, spending $300 for a software is not accessible for anyone, but they have to stick to their « pro » labeled iPads ideology.

In my opinion, the best solution to satisfy both happy iPad pro users and amateurs who are entitled to use Logic on their iPad even if they don't own a Pro version of the iPad by choice or for financial reasons, is still the subscription.

Edit : I guess it shows the limits of the AppStore eco-system on iOS, seems that too high prices have no place there.

Since virtual instruments now appear in Logic for iPad, I wouldn't be surprised if GarageBand eventually disappeared and we could choose between a simple and an advanced version when we start Logic, just like on the desktop.

To get back to the video quickly, the guy makes me laugh. He talks about boycotting but he makes a whole video presentation more detailed than Apple's one 😄

I can’t see GarageBand disappearing because of this. They’re different products altogether.

RedSkyLullaby

All these promo pics and vids for Logic for iPad, not a single wire or dongle in sight

NeuM

@RedSkyLullaby said:
All these promo pics and vids for Logic for iPad, not a single wire or dongle in sight

"Now 100% dongle-free!"

alexwasashrimp

The real question is whether it will be able to slave to MIDI clock. The Mac version still lacks this basic feature.

NeuM

@pepebaõ said:

@NeuM said:

@pepebaõ said:
You’re right, I guess zero. Or a tiny percentage.

That’s the reason why they choose this model subscription I guess, spending $300 for a software is not accessible for anyone, but they have to stick to their « pro » labeled iPads ideology.

In my opinion, the best solution to satisfy both happy iPad pro users and amateurs who are entitled to use Logic on their iPad even if they don't own a Pro version of the iPad by choice or for financial reasons, is still the subscription.

Edit : I guess it shows the limits of the AppStore eco-system on iOS, seems that too high prices have no place there.

Since virtual instruments now appear in Logic for iPad, I wouldn't be surprised if GarageBand eventually disappeared and we could choose between a simple and an advanced version when we start Logic, just like on the desktop.

To get back to the video quickly, the guy makes me laugh. He talks about boycotting but he makes a whole video presentation more detailed than Apple's one 😄

I can’t see GarageBand disappearing because of this. They’re different products altogether.

Only time will tell.. , but I wouldn't be surprised.

Here in Europe they are already talking about obligations for Apple to open iOS to alternative stores to stop the monopolistic situation.

If this becomes a reality and becomes widespread, if the App Store disappears tomorrow, if MacOS and iOS become a unique system, they will have to find other sources of revenue.

Well, I'm starting to ramble here. And that's a lot of "ifs".

I've addressed it before and I'll say it again: iOS is not and has never been a monopoly. The EU saying otherwise does not change facts. The Android App Store sits on far, far more devices than iOS. In my opinion, if anyone wants the crapfest that is Android, they should stick with Android. Don't bring buggy, virus laden garbage to iOS.

jwmmakerofmusic

@drez said:

@Lady_App_titude said:
How many people have been dreaming of this day? Every single person raises their hand.
In that dream, how many people were wishing that when it finally arrived it would be subscription. Crickets chirping.

>

I never thought about or cared about it. I just thought of having a great daw on the platform. It’s more important for me to use the daw than to worry about things like if it’s sub or not. My time is worth more than either the sub price or the price if bought outright. How it makes me feel when using it will be the barometer on if I pay for it or not. After that, if it’s worth the price, I pay it. If not, I don’t. Sub has nothing really to do with it.

This is the same way I feel but didn't know how to put it into proper words. So +1.

zzrwood

@Lady_App_titude said:

@NeuM said:

Actually, I don’t think it is a fair point. Apple is not Waves. Their business models are quite different.

Apple can do things Waves can only dream of. Apple basically single-handedly killed Flash. Apple essentially transitioned the entire music business from CDs to iTunes mp3 and now streaming. (I do not subscribe to Apple Music, or any music stream service, BTW). Basically god-like industry power. If they can succeed in normalizing music software renting, the flood gates are open. That's why I find it so depressing. Yes, you can argue it's all going to go sub eventually, but I've been encouraged we customers have been able to hold out as long as we have, especially the renting of music software has been decidedly unpopular. The recent Waves showdown felt particularly empowering for the consumer. But fighting Apple. It's like taking on the IRS.

And thank God Apple killed Flash… utter garbage software…

RajahP

So who will not pay $5 a month for this? Was hoping that Drambo did this, yesterday…

And oh.. that Sampler…

Tarekith

@NeuM said:
How many people who ARE using this software professionally are very worried about this development?

0.

This is stupid cheap for what you get. In 4 years it equals out with what you pay for Logic on MacOS. In 6 years it equals out to what you pay for FCP on MacOS. Those are totally fair prices for those time periods I feel, especially if you're using these tools a lot as a core part of your workflow.

I get the subscription hate, I am generally that way too. Then I tried Lightroom for the iPad as my photography was improving, and holy cow was it SOOO much better and more stable than all the other options I had tried. It was a genuine improvement to my workflow, to the point I like using it almost a much as taking the actual photos.

I think for musicians in the same situation musically, it makes a lot of sense.

Assuming they get the UI right and all that, otherwise.... meh.

rs2000

@Lady_App_titude said:

@NeuM said:

@Lady_App_titude said:

@NeuM said:

@Lady_App_titude said:
Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed.

Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

I will never rent software. And the fact that they are doing it on iOS means it is surely coming to their macOS software too.

And I can't use any of their desktop software anyway because they only support the most recent operations systems, so if you are the kind of user who likes to get a stable system and upgrade cautiously, the only time you can really buy their desktop software is when you upgrade your computer, and that is the worst possible time to have to shell out additional funds. It's all just more reasons hate Apple. It means very little for me personally because I don't like or use Logic or FCP anyway. But the slippery slope towards software rental... And the fact that people have already been conditioned to started accepting this kind of thing as normal.. So depressing. But whatever. If it works for some people.. It's just not what I was expecting or what I hoped for. Garage Band is FREE, so I would have imagined maybe $4.99 (one time) for Logic on iOS. It's already the cheapest DAW on desktop. Of if they offered the iOS version FREE to desktop Logic users... That was more what I was hoping for.

But if none of this affects you, then why such a reaction?

I explained that in what I said. Because it is attempting to normalize software renting, and apparently that is working, if people think such a thing is a good idea. I hope that it fails massively like it did for Waves. But Apple has mighty, despot-like power, so they can dictate a lot of direction for the industry. Depressing. But just my opinion.

Although I've avoided subscriptions completely so far, looking at iOS developers specifically, I think that "normalizing software renting" could turn out to be a life saver for some of them.
The low prices of iOS apps have certainly helped many of us gather up a large app collection on our iDevices, but the small iOS music app market and hunt for even lower app sale prices hardly generate a sustainable income for software developers, except maybe if they're willing to release new apps regularly instead of constantly improving an existing app.
There are many developers who rarely update their apps other than bug fixes and I guess that confirms it.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Tarekith said:
Assuming they get the UI right and al that, otherwise.... meh.

LOL! I agree. I'm glad we get that one month free trial to figure out if Logic Pro is right for us or not.

LostInFoundation

About subscription (and people saying the ones not liking it are just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

What if, FOR ONE TIME, instead of arguing between us, we could unite and try to convince Apple to give us the choice?

If we all start sending Apple requests about a one purchase possibility on top of subscriptions instead of writing it here and then playing the “I’m right and subscriptions are good” “No, I am right and I want to pay and keep what I own” game, maybe we could convince them to give every user what fits better for him.

Lately some users “class act” worked (see Waves), so maybe we could learn from it and start thinking users acting United DO HAVE some voice on the matter

NeuM

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying who don’t like it is just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

What if, FOR ONE TIME, instead of arguing between us, we could unite and try to convince Apple to give us the choice?

If we all start sending Apple requests about a one purchase possibility on top of subscriptions instead of writing it here and then playing the “I’m right and subscriptions are good” “No, I am right and I want to pay and keep what I own” game, maybe we could convince them to give every user what fits better for him.

Lately some users “class act” worked (see Waves), so maybe we could learn from it and start thinking users acting United DO HAVE some voice on the matter

But what if a one-time cost for the new Logic Pro was $500?

mikewb

I’m pretty confident apple will never bring back the headphone jack, however with the release of the “pro” apps I wonder if they’ve considered adding an extra usb-c port, perhaps on the rumored 14 inch. One port for external storage the other for an audio interface or usb dongle.

AudioGus

@mikewb said:
I’m pretty confident apple will never bring back the headphone jack, however with the release of the “pro” apps I wonder if they’ve considered adding an extra usb-c port, perhaps on the rumored 14 inch. One port for external storage the other for an audio interface or usb dongle.

Sure, second port would be sweet. Would just love if it were up top where the headphone jack was. I miss carrying my ipad while making music.

motmeister

Sad… I won’t be convinced about subscriptions… I’ll use the Mac version.

LostInFoundation

@NeuM said:

@LostInFoundation said:
About subscription (and people saying who don’t like it is just moaning):
It would be cool if we could get BOTH choices.

What if, FOR ONE TIME, instead of arguing between us, we could unite and try to convince Apple to give us the choice?

If we all start sending Apple requests about a one purchase possibility on top of subscriptions instead of writing it here and then playing the “I’m right and subscriptions are good” “No, I am right and I want to pay and keep what I own” game, maybe we could convince them to give every user what fits better for him.

Lately some users “class act” worked (see Waves), so maybe we could learn from it and start thinking users acting United DO HAVE some voice on the matter

But what if a one-time cost for the new Logic Pro was $500?

The “what if” game has no sense. On Mac is 199…
And in any case, I say let’s ask for choices. If it will be 500, then we will all subscribe

Edward_Alexander

So who will not pay $5 a month for this? Was hoping that Drambo did this, yesterday…

And oh.. that Sampler…

What was she doing in this video that you couldn’t do in Drambo? I watched the entire thing, and while it looks like there’s a few more options, I didn’t see anything that couldn’t be done with Drambo’s piano roll. Curious?