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Too many chefs in the kitchen on the UI. And possibly lack of a consistent style guide. When you buy a company and product and try to shoehorn it into your own lineup, inconsistencies would be expected. Doing nothing to address those inconsistencies for a long, long time is 100% on Apple.
The general advice when buying computers for music and video creation has always been to buy the most powerful hardware, the most storage and the most RAM one can afford. The only thing I regret about going with the iPad I did (iPad 9 base model) is the 64 GB storage. But at the time, it was this or nothing. Of course, it's a case of 'first-world-problems', and just means I have to be a bit careful with what is installed at any given moment.
Agree, it surprises me from a company like Apple.
From what I’ve seen the iPad version looks good, but no idea what they did with those hideous Transformers® designs (if they’re even included).
Logic has parts - like the MIDI environment - that have not changed in 25 years. I would think they need serious work, also the old vst interfaces and the scoring editor, list editor... Everything is so ninetees. But it seems that they only infuse logic now and then with some facelift work and leave the rest as is. It does not mean that logic is bad, but you can feel its age more and more. Looking forward to Tuesday though.
Yeah, makes sense...and certainly how I'd imagine it's supposed to work out. but alas...
Yeah...Building on top of all that legacy code rather than stripping it all back to the bone. Personally, it doesn't really affect my day-to-day experience of Logic too much; well, except for those (What even is that colour?) Camel-Audio re-skinned interfaces
Still, i think it'll all come good.
Everyone will gets 30 days free by Apple. I think the best way is to explore the DAW and see what it offer. Not for changing, but sometimes you can get an idea of a cool feature (and then, you buy an AUv3 to get this feature in Cubasis).
I'm on Cubasis 3 and it's super intuitive to me. Not sure I want to relearn a new DAW when I already have all I want.
I know some of the iPad music apps I’ve bought over the years support Ableton Live set export. I don’t have Ableton so haven’t really paid it any attention, but I gather it’s a way to export audio, midi and other stuff(?) from an app and import this into Ableton creating a project automatically.
Is there anything like this for Logic Pro? It’d be a really good way to get stuff out of something like Loopy Pro into Logic.
It’s a lack of care, laziness.
Hopefully they’ve updated the UI of the 90’s Transformer stuff so it works/scales across multiple mobile device formats, otherwise they’re going to look seriously outdated compared to a lot of our existing iOS apps, not to mention the main UI of Logic itself.
Thx, that’s how I feel about it, too.
Yep. Going to head out with my current iPad on Friday and see if I can do an upgrade at CEX or something similar.
Looking forward to fingering that one on an iPad screen 😁
I would enjoy a hi-res version of this…
Am I actually the only one that is so childishly excited about Logic that I go to the Logic for iPad page on apple.com everyday only to get into the vibe? 😆
I literally waited for this app to come to iPad for more than 10 years now. Dang it!
Ok...So i did some sleuthing. It's not entirely good news. Excuse the blurriness of the zoomed in photos
This is what Retro Synth looks like on desktop LP, currently:
This is how it will look in LPiOS:
To my mind, the loss of all that graphical feedback is going in the wrong direction. Wile these might be necessary compromises for a smaller screen, my worry would be that desktop LP will have to follow suit, for compatibility's sake.
However, what it does show is the addition of more inconsistencies in terms of graphics. Drum-designer seems to share the same styled knobs and sliders:
But the new stylings of the compressor plugin does not share this new design language. Oy-Vay!
More than that, the compressor has also ditched the large VU meters and Fabfilter-a-like running waveform display. This WILL definitely be a loss for the desktop versions, presuming they are also changed:
Either way, if looks can be put aside, these are great plugins. The multi-mode compressor is a BEAST!!
And this video dives into the Side-Chain features:
You are not the only one 🫠
I’m no graphic graphics professional…but perhaps the newer designs were easier to “vectorize” for scaling purposes?
Yeah, that one wasn’t so bad, and a ‘retro synth’ doesn’t need to be reduced to something as bland, and uninspiring as that update. There are ways of ensuring consistency, and scalability without making things look like a spreadsheet pop-up. The colour scheme wouldn’t pass web accessibility guidelines either.
Looks like they’ve asked Dave from Sales to do the design work.
After graphics were redesigned for iPadOS, this means they can still be further refined. With the old UI, it was never going to change.
Cool. Hope you get an ipad.
Will wait to see what logic is like before returning. Although it still kinda makes sense to return, apart from the £300.
Just need a central hub logic. Which I guess has automation of auv3.
Although the current plugins are already scaleable all the way form tiny to huge, just by dragging the corner of the window, you might be right with regard to an iPad version.
Cheers.
Would be a 256gb.
So 750gb in total.
Just not on same ipad.
D'ya mean the Dave who uses Parallels to run Windows 95, because he still believes it came with the best iteration of 'Paint'? That Dave?
But yeah...Bland-A-Rama. Please don't bring these changes to the desktop! Please!
So the usb c cable does everything without a cck?
Plug into ipad and to iconnect audio4c
It routes audio and midi both ways?
Including 5 pin connected to audio4c.
Only issue if there were any.
Sometimes route an mpe screen out of aum to other ipad
Which means going through ccks.
This case would be a cck to usbc along the line.
Nice catch on Retro Synth. I'm not crazy about the desktop UI but I agree the one shown there is not an improvement. I don't see what you mean about the compressor plugin not following the design language though. The knobs and section dividers are the same. Those vertical elements are the meters, not sliders.
I'm going to assume until I see otherwise, that the desktop versions of the plugins will continue have larger/more detailed UIs. That said, I know Apple has gone from being overly skeuomorphic in UI design to being anti-skeuomorphic to a fault. I very much hope the multi-compressor will continue to include the waveform/timeline display, as that is really rather useful.
I assume Apple is also cognizant of the fact that people have been using these plugins on desktop for a long time and have developed muscle memory as to where the knobs are and such. I somewhat suspect that's the reason they allow such wildly outdated plugin UIs like the E* synths to remain so.
OTOH Ableton has been turning heads for years now with even more stripped-down UI elements, so maybe they're reacting to that.
Yes absolutely. We have such excellent tools like Koala, which is all drag and drop and touch. Incredible fast and haptic. All this knobs... there are many good UI ideas for touch - they even included Samplr to get some of that touch magic into logic. But the deeper you go the older the UIs gets down to command line MIDI
It never occured to me that Apple might reduce visual elements down to just knobs and sliders. I hope they gave some thought to the touch aspect, the graphics posted above aren't making me feel confident.
Yeah...I did work out that they were level-meters on the compressor, it was the knobs that threw me. Comparing again, it's just that the colour scheme on the compressor (At least on the Platinum model) is much more favourable. The contrast makes things 'pop' more. But even with a non-blurry, non-zoomed screen-grab, the Retro example looks garish and doesn't feel as solid as the compressor.
Three types of blue, along with black and green
Ditto on Apple embracing 'flat'. However, they don't seem to have done it as well as Sean from ValhallaDSP has managed to:
https://valhalladsp.com/2020/06/23/spanning-time-with-valhalla-design/
I don't mind flat design, as long as there's both consistency as well as contrast/distinctness. A lot of Apple's plugins got a more consistent treatment, a while back. Unfortunately, they didn't really get the memo about making the plugins at-a-glance distinct (Perhaps another job that was left to Dave, from 'Sales'
)
If we have to look for a title/header to know what the plugin is, something's gone wrong. Again, going back to Valhalla, his plugins are immediately distinguishable despite using the same design language.
I also quite like Ableton's (G)UI. It was quite a breath of fresh air when it first dropped. it feels consistent and works well. Have always hoped that docked plugins would end up in Logic, though not in the way they've now appeared.
Lastly, I'm definitely concerned about the visual fate of Sculpture and Ultrabeat. While UB's interface is somewhat confounding, I think it has a lot of charm. it's fun! I also really like the upper-half of Sculpture; well, aside from the brushed-metal dials. But the interface and the feedback it provides make sense, and are very useful. With the exception of the Morph section, the bottom half could do with some tidying-up. But I'm hoping the solution isn't just rows of garishly coloured, non-distinct knobs and sliders
Anyway...don't want to continue moaning about this. At 6 days out, it most definitely is what it is.
Logic having some great plugins isn't the main draw for me, and being disappointed in gui design ain't gonna stop me using it either.
Command line MIDI! Haha