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  • @abf said:
    It never occured to me that Apple might reduce visual elements down to just knobs and sliders. I hope they gave some thought to the touch aspect, the graphics posted above aren't making me feel confident.

    Keep in mind people who were invited to use Logic Pro at Apple had nothing but positive things to say, so they must know something we don't.

  • @el_bo said:
    Ok...So i did some sleuthing. It's not entirely good news. Excuse the blurriness of the zoomed in photos :)

    This is what Retro Synth looks like on desktop LP, currently:

    This is how it will look in LPiOS:

    To my mind, the loss of all that graphical feedback is going in the wrong direction. Wile these might be necessary compromises for a smaller screen, my worry would be that desktop LP will have to follow suit, for compatibility's sake.

    However, what it does show is the addition of more inconsistencies in terms of graphics. Drum-designer seems to share the same styled knobs and sliders:

    But the new stylings of the compressor plugin does not share this new design language. Oy-Vay!

    More than that, the compressor has also ditched the large VU meters and Fabfilter-a-like running waveform display. This WILL definitely be a loss for the desktop versions, presuming they are also changed:

    This pictures are real?It looks horrible. 🫠

  • @el_bo said:
    Ok...So i did some sleuthing. It's not entirely good news. Excuse the blurriness of the zoomed in photos :)

    To me this says that it’s likely we’ll get every plug-in from desktop in one form or another at least (which hasn’t been confirmed yet from what I’ve seen). Not as nice as the old synths/FX having true re-designs, but better than not having them included on iPad at all imo.

  • I think Apple lost the source code for these plugins, so they can't improve them :lol:

  • Cash Converters just had a 256gb 5th edition 12.9 pro for £619. I say had coz I just bought it ho hum. Should arrive just in time for Logic :smiley:

  • edited May 2023

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Cash Converters just had a 256gb 5th edition 12.9 pro for £619. I say had coz I just bought it ho hum. Should arrive just in time for Logic :smiley:

    Blimey that's a good price - they're £929 on the Apple refurb site.

    Actually they've got some good deals on there, be interesting to know how you get on.

  • I've not been here for a while. Have I missed anything?

  • edited May 2023

    @klownshed said:
    I've not been here for a while. Have I missed anything?

    No.

    Not many app releases in the last few weeks and no major releases on the horizon.

  • edited May 2023

    @Simon said:

    @klownshed said:
    I've not been here for a while. Have I missed anything?

    No.

    Not many app releases in the last few weeks and no major releases on the horizon.

    Cool. I haven't logged in here for over a year! Good to know it's all calm...

    Just checked and my last post was May 2022. Good to know I wasn't missed :lol:

  • edited May 2023

    @klownshed said:
    Cool. I haven't logged in here for over a year! Good to know it's all calm...

    I'm a bit naughty... to be honest there have been a few major releases. You should have a quick scan through The Sound Test Room's videos on YouTube to see what you've missed.

    Oh, and there's some minor app called "Logic" or something coming out in about a week... nobody is that interested in it so probably not worth mentioning.

  • Plug design-wise this odd and multi era collection is not so unusual.
    (mind you, I'm not a Logic user, but I may be one shortly)

    I wonder if any here are FL users, and particularly users that have bought into the entire plug eco system.

    Fl is also a pretty long lived Daw and full of strange looking creatures from every design trend since the 90s. Some are low res, some skuemorphic, some in the contemporary "flat" style, and some that might be considered butt ugly etc. This is understandable given that they have been added piecemeal or in clumps in the course of decades

    I think coders that created some of these have long since left Image-Line and taken some partial rights (is that a thing) or at least their exclusive understanding of the code. Digging into these to revamp the GUI I assume is a pain in ass and time intensive, and coder time = money.

    Some plugs have gotten a makeover into a current design style (Styrus is one and nicely done, not stylish necessarily but the UX has been sorted) and I understand the plan is to do the rest eventually. But I hope not all because some older stuff is still pretty cool. I would redo the ones that are low res and or fiddly

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    Plug design-wise this odd and multi era collection is not so unusual.
    (mind you, I'm not a Logic user, but I may be one shortly)

    Problem with some of the Logic plugins, is not that they are just ugly, but the lack of updates means they are almost unusable.

    I was just looking at a couple of the synths on my Mac which are hideously bitmapped when resized - virtually unreadable. I’m a couple of versions behind, but as far as I’m aware they haven’t been updated in the most recent one.

  • GarageBand needs a mixer. LP is worth $50/yr just to have a freaking mixer. I’m willing to cut down on my addiction to Donuts to be able to mix something.

  • @pepebaõ said:

    @NeuM said:

    @abf said:
    It never occured to me that Apple might reduce visual elements down to just knobs and sliders. I hope they gave some thought to the touch aspect, the graphics posted above aren't making me feel confident.

    Keep in mind people who were invited to use Logic Pro at Apple had nothing but positive things to say, so they must know something we don't.

    Wait, who ?

    You know, the people in the... Apple video.

  • I've been watching a few videos on Logic this last week or so, this one I thought was particularly good. One thing that stood out: Logic on the Mac obviously makes use of multicore, so it's reasonable to assume the same will apply on the iPad:

  • @richardyot said:
    I've been watching a few videos on Logic this last week or so, this one I thought was particularly good. One thing that stood out: Logic on the Mac obviously makes use of multicore, so it's reasonable to assume the same will apply on the iPad:

    It has me thinking about going Mac (Logic Desktop).. Logic on the iPad will work hand in hand with Logic Desktop..
    Loaded up GarageBand on my old iPad (7 I think), it is working so smooth.. can only imagine Logic on an iPad M1..
    Seems holding on to Windows just for Sonar (to mix) is illogical now..
    Time to clear the desk of Maschine, and her hardware..

  • Im just going to remap controllers for now. Actually there will just be a drum track less to spare a utility section for 6 knobs to be either a sweeping pan or a sweeping filter. Plus a control for every volume. Then just mix across 3 Drambo hosts. Everything will be on different ipads though for storage and I cant sidechain a 3rd ipads koala but can just use eq or volume in koala. Or just move that track only to other mashine. If cpu allow. All controls from init to completion should be tweakable. I say that but it might not be.

    I checked out cubasis. You cant even map an auv3 effect.

    I may find I mix audio elsewhere though.

  • edited May 2023

    @richardyot said:
    I've been watching a few videos on Logic this last week or so, this one I thought was particularly good. One thing that stood out: Logic on the Mac obviously makes use of multicore, so it's reasonable to assume the same will apply on the iPad:

    Garage Band ios is multicore (I read here about that) and the same for Cubasis 3 (?) . The Ipad Air 4 is multicore even with Ax14 chip isn’t it ?

    By the way this guy explain my choice to use LP OS only on stock Logic.

  • @richardyot said:
    I've been watching a few videos on Logic this last week or so, this one I thought was particularly good. One thing that stood out: Logic on the Mac obviously makes use of multicore, so it's reasonable to assume the same will apply on the iPad:

    Yah I think since Cubasis has it and they also want to sell hardware with this thing / encourage other devs to make high end apps that it would look pretty lame if they do not support their own hardware properly. However... heh

  • I've been a Logic user since the very beginning. I first bought it when it was still called Emagic Notator Logic and used an ADB dongle (I still have the Dongle and floppies I think).

    Logic is still my main DAW 30 years later.

    And I'm really, really looking forward to Logic for iPad.


    I want it to be completely separate from my Mac. I have a ton of plugins that aren't (and probably never will be) available for the iPad. I have a much bigger screen on my Desktop. I've already got a mobile version of Logic that runs all my plugins. It's called a MacBook :-)

    I want a fresh system with a different pool of plugins and different ways of interacting with it to freshen things up from time to time. And Logic for iPad will still be very familiar with similar Instruments, plug-ins and general philosophies -- I'll be right at home. Only a freshly decorated home with everything re-organised a little bit, so I might not remember where the cups are for a few days ;-)

    And I'm very much looking forward to messing about with the new Alchemy Samplr. I mean Sampler ;-)

    I think using Logic on iPad as a self contained system will suit me down to the ground. I have no intention of using Logic on the iPad as if it was a Mac. I still want to make things with AUM etc, and make use of all the unique iPad apps only I'll now be able to bring anything interesting I make with those apps as loops into Logic on the iPad and have somewhere to build things in the early stages. All those 'workarounds' I developed because there wasn't a DAW I liked on the iPad will still be very useful and enjoyable. And I like just loading up, say, iElectribe and using the iPad as if it was just a drum machine and jam away and enjoy just playing an instrument as if I'd picked up an acoustic guitar.

    And whilst I don't like subs at all, in this case It might actually benefit me. I often dip in and out of making music on iPad. Sometimes I'll be productive with the iPad and other times I hardly touch it for months. Being able to stop paying when I don't use it will be nice. And I'll still have access to all the projects on the Mac.

    But if you're an iOS only musician, Logic should be a godsend. It's going to make people like me that like Logic much more productive instantly (assuming we can be open minded and use it for what it's best at rather than complain about what arcane Mac Logic features are missing, me included!).

    And most of all, even if you hate Logic, it helps legitimise the iPad as a "Pro" system when Apple bring their 'Pro' apps to their own platform. Not having Logic Pro has had the opposite effect for years.

    And I think that the subscription thing is also a good thing for music making on the iPad in general. If Apple had priced Logic for iPad similar to the Mac price, or a little lower, say $129 it would be way too much for a lot of people and would definitely put off new users. And we need new users to use the iPad to make music to encourage developers to make more software for us.

    Thinking of my eldest daughter; If she asked me for $5 for a few months so she could try out a cool app such as Final Cut Pro, yeah why not. It's the price of one of her magazines. $129? $99 Probably not.

    It will definitely allow young people access to a hugely powerful system. IF it's overwhelming, stop subscribing, very little lost. It massively lowers the barrier to entry without shafting the other developers on the platform and simultaneously will hopefully encourage more developers to make auv3s on the iPad AND Mac.

    $49 a year isn't nothing but it's really not a lot of money when you look at this forum and see how much the average user spends on apps. We've been spoilt on the Mac as I haven't had to pay for an update since 2014. That's clearly an anomaly.

    So yeah. It's going to be good. And people will complain like crazy and there will be YouTUbe videos where people go searching for all the 1990s era arcane features that are missing to try and make a stupid point for views. People love a bit of outrage apparently. Where 'people' is interchangeable with 'YouTube Algorithm'

    I'm fairly convinced I'm going to love it. It'll be interesting to watch it develop and to see what makes its way back to the Mac. But I'm going into it with an open mind and will be looking for all the things that make it different, not those that are the same. I want it to be different otherwise I'll stick to the MBP.

    Logic on the Mac is my one true DAW. Logic on the iPad won't replace it. I'm looking forward to it complementing it nicely though. And I can live with the pricing. I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.

    I'll save any criticism for when I've actually used it.

  • @klownshed - many good opinions and a very good text, read with joy…

    Five days left…

  • @klownshed said:
    Logic on the Mac is my one true DAW. Logic on the iPad won't replace it. I'm looking forward to it complementing it nicely though. And I can live with the pricing. I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face.

    Very good Klownshed. I feel the same way.

  • @richardyot said:
    I've been watching a few videos on Logic this last week or so, this one I thought was particularly good. One thing that stood out: Logic on the Mac obviously makes use of multicore, so it's reasonable to assume the same will apply on the iPad:

    From the time they introduced multi-threaded audio support in iOS, I suspected this was in support of plans to eventually port Logic Pro to iOS.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @pepebaõ said:

    @NeuM said:

    @abf said:
    It never occured to me that Apple might reduce visual elements down to just knobs and sliders. I hope they gave some thought to the touch aspect, the graphics posted above aren't making me feel confident.

    Keep in mind people who were invited to use Logic Pro at Apple had nothing but positive things to say, so they must know something we don't.

    Wait, who ?

    You know, the people in the... Apple video.

    Haha. Not only them.

    https://www.soundonsound.com/news/apple-introduces-logic-pro-final-cut-pro-ipad

    https://youtube.com/shorts/1-ZAx2i1FYQ?feature=share

    And Patrick at The GarageBand Guide edited his video to remove some things he thought might violate the NDA he signed with Apple before he saw Logic Pro on iPadOS for himself.

  • edited May 2023

    Apologies if this has already been mentioned. Is there any official word on Sculpture being included? Hilariously I only "discovered" Sculpture" in desktop Logic after reading a comment about it in one of these Logic for iPad threads, and man I am loving it! I've been able to pull out some wonderfully otherworldly sounds I've not heard from other synths.

  • Really excited about this, I’m hoping midi sync is solid so I can switch to Logic as my Daw for tracking and arranging SP-404 stems.

    This presents a huge opportunity for companies with experience on desktop and iOS already. IK Multimedia’s Mixbox comes to mind. Desktop and iOS versions exist, so if they can figure out how to make sessions work back and forth, it becomes a great all in one mixing tool with great consideration for the touch interface.

    I think of Arturia too. I ended up exploring their desktop options because of iSem and iProphet. The Arturia V collection running interchangeably on iOS and Desktop would be huge.

  • @SicksentZ said:

    This presents a huge opportunity for companies with experience on desktop and iOS already. IK Multimedia’s Mixbox comes to mind. Desktop and iOS versions exist, so if they can figure out how to make sessions work back and forth, it becomes a great all in one mixing tool with great consideration for the touch interface.

    I was actually thinking of the reverse of this where some of the iPadOS developers may have a new market on the desktop if they make their plugins available for m1+ desktop devices for a fee. I am personally hoping for this as it gets Round Trip closer to being properly usable two-way.

  • Icegear are doing a good job upgrading all their apps to be apple silicon MacBook compatible

  • edited May 2023

    @Cambler really good point. There’s been way more innovation in this space imo, so the prospect of more iOS stuff showing up to desktop has huge potential. Fun times!

    @BiancaNeve i hadn’t seen the IceWorks stuff, this is right up my alley. Thanks 🕊️

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