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@RetroNewb good question, I will try Tuesday if the audio interface is class compliant/if an iPad will recognise it.
The USB midi input is class compliant on push 3.
In regard to the audio interface quality here are the specs, looks like the headphone jack uses a different converter or at least set up differently.
https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/8483423483036
It is supposed to be class compliant, but I haven’t been able to try one of the production units yet to test myself.
@Tarekith @Danny_Mammy thanks both…await your tests with anticipation..
I’ve been wanting a Linnstrument for years, but Push 3 makes it quite a bit less appealing for the price. This looks like an MPE controller that might finally get me to bite.
It might be time to sell my Deluge/Push 2 and maybe Octatrack,
Yeah, Linnstrument had too quirks and forcing you to play it like a guitar. I don't think that will be an issue with Push3, so from a MPE instrument perspective, I'd choose it over anything else out there.
I think a LinnStrument is still many times better for MPE than a Push 3.
Here’s the FAQ of Roger Linn about Push 3 vs LinnStrument, I agree 100% (taken from his website):
„Q: How does LinnStrument compare to the 2023 Ableton Push?
The new 2023 Push adds MPE 3D-expressive touch control to its 8 by 8 matrix of play pads, and is an excellent design. This is great news for LinnStrument because it will introduce a large group of musicians to expressive touch control who wouldn’t otherwise have considered it.
The 2023 Push and LinnStrument cater to different types of musicians. The new Push has 64 pads of larger size, arranged in an 8 by 8 matrix, so it’s more focused on Live’s primary market of clip launchers, beatmakers, sequencing/looping, and simple musical play. By comparison, LinnStrument is more focused on being a quality expressive musical instrument with a large playing surface of either 128 or 200 pads.
LinnStrument's larger number of pads means that you won’t frequently bump into the edges of the playing surface during chord or solo play. And the smaller pads— the same spacing as human fingers— permit fingering of more complex chords in one hand, as well as easier and faster play of solo lines.
One analogy is a comparison to guitar. In both the new Push and LinnStrument, the primary tuning is rows of chromatics tuned in fourths, like a stringed instrument. So an 8x8 matrix is like 8 strings of 8 frets each. Just as guitarists would find it limiting to play a guitar with only 8 frets, many players of the new Push will find more complex musical parts difficult to play on an 8 x 8 pad matrix. And for those wishing split the keyboard into two zomes with two different sounds, 8 columns is impractically small.
This difference is illustrated in the videos of each product. The new Push’s videos focus on playing simple solo lines and Push’s traditional strength of arranging clips, whereas LinnStrument’s videos focus on skilled play of chords and solo lines, including two-handed play.
For some people considering the new Push primarily for skilled chord and solo play, they may consider LinnStrument 128’s 128 pads at $1099 to be more attractive than the 64 pads of the controller version of Push at $999.
I (Roger) thank Ableton for legitimatizing the entire product category of expressive MPE controllers, thereby raising the tide for all boats in the category. „
Forcing? You can configure the note the way you want.
For playing fast musical line of notes, the Linnstrument is easier. Also, complex chords can be hard to play on a Push (I had trouble with some chords on my Launchpad which is probably the same size as the Push). For drumming Push 3 will be better.
In others words, you can play Flight of the Bumblebee on a Linnstrument. Good luck with that on a Push 3.
2 differents things.
Fair points, my goal with MPE wouldn't be to be a prodigy on it but use it when needed. So for this Push 3 might be better for me.
Last I checked I don't think it's possible to use Linnstrument in a folded diatonic scale layout like a Launchpad or Push?
In a folded scale layout, you can play a lot more notes than on a configured layout like Linnstrument.
thats right, LinnStrument does not support „in key“ layout like on Push
great rumours about the ADAT.. if you have a ES8 you should be able to use Ableton Push ADAT for CV outs!!! the newer ES9 doesn't have ADAT.
lucky I have the Es8!!!
Oo me too though I’ve got an input extender es6 I think, I hope that doesn’t interfere!
Am I understanding it correctly, but with the standalone version you don't get the full version of Ableton? What?
And later, if you switch DAW, your Push will lose a lot of his value.
A Launchpad Pro MK4 with MPE would be a better choice in my case. I can dream. I hope the new Launchpad is near. And I hope it will be MPE.
dont think so, infact you can probably send audio via ADAT into push 3 but not CV.
@krupa AXL using it to drive his modular rig.
I had wondered about that, all very exciting stuff!
Ah cool, I will check that out, thanks 🙏
I got my standalone Push 3 on Tuesday and the MPE pads are superb.
My main focus will really be on using it in standalone mode, but I did briefly test it in controller mode so that I could connect the USB C port to the ipad pro and use it as an audio interface for the ipad. It worked, including ADAT.
As for the rest of the Push 3 in this mode, it looks like the same sort of story as the Push 2. The screen tells you to run Live, the controls output MIDI via the USB port, although this time the pads are sending MPE. Messages need to be sent back to the Push to get the pads to light up, and to reconfigure various aspects of the Push. Encoders and the ribbon also send note on messages when they are touched by human hands, so some scripting/filtering will be required to make the most of such things as an ipad controller. Also when it comes to the ipad, Im not sure as Apple have opened up ipad USB access enough for someone to be able to make the screen do something like people have done using desktop computers and the Push 2 (eg DrivenByMoss). Perhaps there is a chance that could be done via IOKit but that level of dev is beyond my current capabilities (I did learn how to control the push 2 screen using node.js years ago but even that was punching above my weight).
Like I said, personally I'll focus on using it in standalone mode, where I'll use something else as an audio interface for the ipad and will send/receive audio and midi to/from the push and ipad via other means. I already tried a WIDI Bud Pro plugged into the USB host port on the Push 3 for easy bluetooth MIDI to/from the ipad and that worked well so far. Which is nice given the number of decent MPE synths on the ipad. But I'll keep an eye on how controller mode is working out for other people and developers on ipad too.
Correct, it only comes with Live intro.
got mine yesterday, I been using Ableton live since the start and I would consider myself an expert user however it's my first Push.
I sold my seaboard, touche SE and a midifighter so the push 3 ultimately cost me 366 euro in hard cash and now covers my MPE and drum pad controller interface all in one unit. This was my main goal in buying a Push and made me comfortable in buying this machine. If MPE instruments is not your thing, then I would really research if push is for you.
It is definitely going to take time to learn this push process and integrate into my normal Ableton live way of working, more than i was expecting, I'm looking forward to that.
First impression was the thing is like a heavy brick and not a mobile product unless you are really touring.
Once I got the push up and running I quickly realised it is a real instrument and you can learn to play it. The MPE control is very impressive, little hard to do slow pitch slides as you finger sort of gets stuck in-between the square boarders, medium or fast pitch slides are no problem. Even playing my microfreak with no MPE was lovely to play on the Push.
So far i feel like i have a beautiful new heavy brick of an instrument. I think it feels premium in quality.
So, one issue which is yet to be solved, the USB C cable and trying to power the push from it. There is no documentation on what USB cable is required (gen 2?) and also, what power is required. I find this incredibly frustrating that the Owers are scrambling to figure this out themselves. It might be a bug or not even possible. Ableton have been silent up until now on this issue.
The troubleshoot page on Ableton.com states the following:
"Push 3 can be powered using a USB power bank. Use a PowerDelivery(PD)-capable power bank that can supply 20V/3A. "
I received push 3 yesterday and so far it hangs on 'restarting..', after downloading en installing the 1.1 firmware version. I finally shut the machine down after an hour and a half...gonna try again tonight.
hey man, yeah but what USB C cable is compatible? they give a link to compatible USB cables which doesn't exist?
Regarding your issue, i might have some help if you are already have an audio device linked to Ableton live on PC..
so, i had to first remove my audio device from Ableton live before I linked Push as live gets a conflict in searching for push audio device.
once you turn off the link to your existing audio device driver live doesn't hang. its only on the first time.
That same hang on restarting happened for me but the update continued automatically and went fine when powering the device back on again.
I believe any USB-c cable will work because USB-C supports up to 3A or 5A, so you can't go wrong. USB-A won't be sufficient (2.4 A I believe)
and thanks for the tip, I didn't have a audio device connected, but I'm gonna try again tonight.
Thanks! I'll try again tonight.
good luck tonight.
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USB-C charging is a bit hit or miss right now, hopefully next update will fix it. Definitely not a cable issue.
This thing is bloody amazing. I may be some time.
Any inside knowledge on when the next batch will be available for sale? To have stocks wiped out in a few days is a bit disconcerting, and 2+ months seems a bit extreme...
@SteveElbows is your iPad Pro one with a USB C port or lightning? I tried with both my lighting iPads, connecting a USB C to A lead to the camera connection kit thing to no avail…
No word other than sales were MUCH higher than even anticipated, along with Ableton having to deal with the same chip shortage everyone is dealing with. There are a lot of employees like myself who are also waiting for official units, so you're not alone.