My thoughts on Logic Pro 2 weeks post release...

ErrkaPetti

@Luxthor said:
Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

Here is example of what I’m talking about:

I’ve been thinking about this since yesterday…
Why use Logic Pro as an environment when making sound design?
Must be a lot easier to run respective app in standalone mode in Stage Manager, or?

HotStrange

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Luxthor said:
Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

Here is example of what I’m talking about:

I’ve been thinking about this since yesterday…
Why use Logic Pro as an environment when making sound design?
Must be a lot easier to run respective app in standalone mode in Stage Manager, or?

I can’t speak for them but it’s useful for me to: automate parameters easier and record parameter changes, tweak the sound to your liking while a sequence or something else plays, being able to use midi controller to play and change sound simultaneously, or even just to add some inspiration.

Luxthor

@Samu said:

@Luxthor said:

Can I borrow your ears?!

Honestly I seldom use a spectrum analyzer or oscilloscope in the initial stage when creating sounds and go by 'feel'.
(It does help to have a clue about what type of sound one is about to create).

I used be almost an*l about shapes when I thought that the 'shape' of the waveform played a major role in how stuff sounds which turned out not to be the case. Just pass a simple saw, square or triangle wave thru a sweeping 1-pole all-pass filter and you'll see drastic changes in the shape while the 'sound' stays the same.

The shape does play a bigger role at lower <1Hz frequencies especially when used for parameter modulation.

Drawing a waveform can be a creative tool but by no means the only way to create the 'same sounding' sound.

Nowdays I'm more focused on controlling oscillator start-phases and polarities especially when combining multiple oscillators in various ways and for that Drambo is my go-to and for my use-cases it's WaveTable oscillator with its wave-effects is unbeatable. It does offer multiple pop-up windows for oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, midi-monitors etc. which make this a bit smoother, no need to use multiple AUv3's.

The most important thing is to find a tool or tools that covers the major parts of what needs to be done an work around that.
There will never be a single tool that fully covers everyones needs

So you essentially agree. 👍 Good catch with Drambo but it’s still not a solution. Of course you can design sound without any of these tools, if your goal is sound alone. But for me, usually designing sounds in the middle of the project, harmonizing other instruments. In a way, saturating them till they feel like an integral part. Whenever I tried to just design sound alone, I always ended up making the entire song.

Spectral analyser is a window to another dimension, 🤓 it’s for me what Tricoder is for dr.McCoy. It’s the only way I can target wrong harmony. I don’t have ‘ears’ to recognise a few chords playing at the same time, with this I can. Also, what saturation has done to the signal and if there is some freq. run over the ceiling, making nasty aliasing. What's happening in lows, etc…

Oscilloscope so I can connect sound with visual memory. Better pinpoint target sound before it starts to be complicated and indescribable (visually).

And finally, MIDI keyboard should be my choice, not some cubicle George’s from mindless corporation.

I'm a simple musician enthusiast, not a hyper talented Houdiny-like producer. I need every help I can get.

Luxthor

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Luxthor said:
Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

Here is example of what I’m talking about:

I’ve been thinking about this since yesterday…
Why use Logic Pro as an environment when making sound design?
Must be a lot easier to run respective app in standalone mode in Stage Manager, or?

With that statement, you really kicked ‘Logic iOS’ into the no-no zone! 😂

realdawei

Sound design is such a niche activity…yet since the beginning of time dominates music forum discussion more than making music itself 😂

Samu

@realdawei said:
Sound design is such a niche activity…yet since the beginning of time dominates music forum discussion more than making music itself 😂

LOL, Now that's a 'truth bomb' honestly

We have synths with gazillion of presets and shaping options but still no easy way to search based on how they 'sound' only by category and semi-random names which are no little to no help leading to wasted time browsing presets which irks me so I tend to start from an init preset and tweak even though I know there's most likely already a preset that is a >90% match and with a few minor tweaks 99% match.

Maybe in the future we have AI Preset Search where we can type 'I'm looking for a pad sound that sounds like xyzzy with a bit of extra added warmth and sharpness' or 'gimme a lead sound which combines a bit of noise and a sync sweep' or 'gimme a broken chord arpeggio that uses key sequence in legato-mode to control the pitch'. etc. etc.

Or what about an 'effect processor' that accepts natural language to shape the sound? (Add more ooopfff, make the transients a bit sharper, add more spaciousness to the sound, add slapback echo to a defined frequency range. Cut away everything bellow -70dbFS and things like that...

This kind of 'AI Assist' would really take things to the next level...

R_2

@Samu said:

@realdawei said:
Sound design is such a niche activity…yet since the beginning of time dominates music forum discussion more than making music itself 😂

LOL, Now that's a 'truth bomb' honestly

We have synths with gazillion of presets and shaping options but still no easy way to search based on how they 'sound' only by category and semi-random names which are no little to no help leading to wasted time browsing presets which irks me so I tend to start from an init preset and tweak even though I know there's most likely already a preset that is a >90% match and with a few minor tweaks 99% match.

The predictive algorithm hasn’t kicked in yet on my iPad, perhaps it’s still learning

Seriously though, I like Logic’s browser concept and it’ll probably become indispensable when more sounds are added.

Samu

@R_2 said:

The predictive algorithm hasn’t kicked in yet on my iPad, perhaps it’s still learning

Seriously though, I like Logic’s browser concept and it’ll probably become indispensable when more sounds are added.

Yeah, for stock sounds that might work, but how would it scan thru the sounds of all installed plug-ins including user-presets?
Maybe it'll play a note or chord with each preset in every installed synth app and let the AI 'learn' from them?

Oh well, this could get interesting especially if it can 'recommend' suitable sounds and loops based on what's already been recorded in the project, now that could be a blast

Luxthor

@realdawei said:
Sound design is such a niche activity…yet since the beginning of time dominates music forum discussion more than making music itself 😂

You want me to do more than a ’squeeek’?! Get out of here! 🤣

TheGarageBandGuide

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

HotStrange

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

I’m glad GB isn’t going anywhere. It lacks midi AU support which means it’ll never be my main DAW on iOS but it’s still a great app.

richardyot

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Which is super-handy, especially as there is a whole bunch of sounds in GB that aren't available in Logic yet. A lot of great Alchemy patches for example.

TheGarageBandGuide

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Which is super-handy, especially as there is a whole bunch of sounds in GB that aren't available in Logic yet. A lot of great Alchemy patches for example.

Yup, or IAA Apps which are still supported in GarageBand, but not LP.

ErrkaPetti

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Which is super-handy, especially as there is a whole bunch of sounds in GB that aren't available in Logic yet. A lot of great Alchemy patches for example.

Apples decision to reduce the amount of presets in Alchemy is a real joke!
And, Alchemy isn’t the only instrument or FX that lacks presets - Space Designer on Mac, 1085 (!) presets, Space Designer on iPad, 53… Hmmm…

ervin

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

richardyot

@ervin said:

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

I just keep the folders organised. So if I open a GB project in Logic, the project is duplicated and converted - I just make sure to move that project out of the GB folder and into the Logic one.

I know that's manual intervention and all, but I have always been a bit anal about file management, so it's second nature to me. I hate having a black box where the file management is done for me, so I'm happy to organise the files myself.

echoopera

I subbed for a year and love using it almost daily. Looking forward to the next year of development. As a 1.0 it’s insanely powerful and feature packed.

ErrkaPetti

@echoopera said:
I subbed for a year and love using it almost daily. Looking forward to the next year of development. As a 1.0 it’s insanely powerful and feature packed.

Welcome to the club!

We that keeping Logic Pro left on our iPads, hopefully we will see a great update today to Logic - for many this day is the last day on Logic, hopefully they find something else as good as Logic…

R_2

@ervin said:

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

If you turn “Show All Extentions” on in files you can see which are .logicx and .band projects.

jwmmakerofmusic

@ErrkaPetti said:

@echoopera said:
I subbed for a year and love using it almost daily. Looking forward to the next year of development. As a 1.0 it’s insanely powerful and feature packed.

Welcome to the club!

We that keeping Logic Pro left on our iPads, hopefully we will see a great update today to Logic - for many this day is the last day on Logic, hopefully they find something else as good as Logic…

For me, Logic stays despite my not using daily.

ervin

@R_2 said:

@ervin said:

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

If you turn “Show All Extentions” on in files you can see which are .logicx and .band projects.

Thank you very much!

ervin

@richardyot said:

@ervin said:

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

I just keep the folders organised. So if I open a GB project in Logic, the project is duplicated and converted - I just make sure to move that project out of the GB folder and into the Logic one.

I know that's manual intervention and all, but I have always been a bit anal about file management, so it's second nature to me. I hate having a black box where the file management is done for me, so I'm happy to organise the files myself.

No!!!!

🤣

I mean I'm happy for your OCD, my friend 👊😉 but this is a situation they created and they should have come up with a good solution, I should just be pleasantly surprised how smooth everything is.

Luckily, @R_2 's tip has revealed my lack of practical knowledge so I should be fine now, for the few hours left from my cancelled trial anyway. 👌

Gavinski

@MrSmileZ said:
I picked yearly and it will charge my account in July is what it said in the email…I count that as I paid, because I’ve earmarked it.

You can cancel any time before you are charged. The free month will continue regardless, then you will be unsubscribed once that expires and totally free to decide whether to go monthly, annually, or just not subscribe for now and decide later. This is how all appstore subscriptions with free trials work.

MrSmileZ

@Gavinski said:

@MrSmileZ said:
I picked yearly and it will charge my account in July is what it said in the email…I count that as I paid, because I’ve earmarked it.

You can cancel any time before you are charged. The free month will continue regardless, then you will be unsubscribed once that expires and totally free to decide whether to go monthly, annually, or just not subscribe for now and decide later. This is how all appstore subscriptions with free trials work.

I have decided to subscribe yearly. This is a great app. Songwriting is a breeze with this on my ipad.

MrSmileZ

Okay, now I have a few questions to make life easier for anyone reading this thread.

First: what file typesfrom desktop Logic can come over to iPad?
(midi, alchemy patches, effect presets, sampler patches, midi scripts, and etc)
Second: how is this done?
(is it patch by patch?…bulk?) is there a special place to put them?

NeuM

@R_2 said:

@ervin said:

@richardyot said:

@TheGarageBandGuide said:

@ervin said:

@Simon said:
5 Things GarageBand Can Do That Logic Pro on iPad CAN'T:

What a heroic attempt from Patrick @TheGarageBandGuide to extend the shelf life of his chosen channel name!
👊😎👍

One thing that has become obvious in the month since Logic pro for iPad's release is that GarageBand isn't going anywhere.

No-one has been more surprised than me at how many folks are choosing to stick with it, despite partaking in Logic's free trial.

Logic Pro is definitely a powerful and fully featured DAW, but it loses a lot of the 'fun factor' that drew a lot of beginners and hobbyists to music production on iOS in the first place.

Well one of the best things about the GB/LP combination is that GB tracks can be opened in Logic, so you can start your project in GB and then do the final mix etc... in Logic.

Yes, but I find it super annoying that whichever app I'm opening now I find all these duplicated projects and it's very easy to open the "wrong" one and not be able to manipulate stuff or do another conversion etc. It should be clearly labelled what is currently a Garageband project what is a logic project etc.

(I can totally imagine I'm missing some obvious, already existing way of knowing what is what in that big project folder...🙂)

If you turn “Show All Extentions” on in files you can see which are .logicx and .band projects.

That's genuinely helpful! I never saw that before.

ErrkaPetti

@MrSmileZ said:
Okay, now I have a few questions to make life easier for anyone reading this thread.

First: what file typesfrom desktop Logic can come over to iPad?
(midi, alchemy patches, effect presets, sampler patches, midi scripts, and etc)
Second: how is this done?
(is it patch by patch?…bulk?) is there a special place to put them?

Unfortunately a little tedious work…
I have moved over some great Alchemy presets, the missing Scripter MIDI FX script presets - have also picked few presets here and there, both instruments and FX…

You have to do an Logic saved file on Mac there use have all this in the projectfile…

Don’t miss to consolidate in Mac Logic before you save the document…

Good luck!

NeuM

@ErrkaPetti said:

@MrSmileZ said:
Okay, now I have a few questions to make life easier for anyone reading this thread.

First: what file typesfrom desktop Logic can come over to iPad?
(midi, alchemy patches, effect presets, sampler patches, midi scripts, and etc)
Second: how is this done?
(is it patch by patch?…bulk?) is there a special place to put them?

Unfortunately a little tedious work…
I have moved over some great Alchemy presets, the missing Scripter MIDI FX script presets - have also picked few presets here and there, both instruments and FX…

You have to do an Logic saved file on Mac there use have all this in the projectfile…

Don’t miss to consolidate in Mac Logic before you save the document…

Good luck!

In a related note, anyone who is using both Logic Pro and GarageBand on desktop/macOS can use quite a few features of Logic Pro inside of GarageBand simply by saving custom instruments in LP and then using those special patches on tracks in new GarageBand projects.

MrSmileZ

To whomever this may help:

Found another missing feature…if you used binaural mixing on LPX for Mac, you can’t import that logic file.
(no binaural panning)

I have found a few substitutes for some effects too…

Ssl master bus compressor =‘ barricade ‘- subtle glue setting
If you have movement and or infiltrator…you can get close with a combo of flux pro, wow, and effectrix/beatbreaker

I can’t update my IMac to Ventura as it will slow my i7 processor and kill a lot of my plug ins, so I can’t do round trip
I can still however move from iMac LPX to ipad Logic Pro.

Crabman

@HotStrange said:

@mjm1138 said:

@HotStrange said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@realdawei said:

@NeuM said:

@realdawei said:
I’m totally in even more than before. Never realized how good sculpture was…never tried it on desktop…but it is a a BEAST

It's really fantastic, isn't it? I wonder why no developer has tried to crib this part of Logic Pro as a standalone AUv3 app?

sculpture alone is worth twice the yearly sub of Logic

Unfortunately the GUI of Sculture is a disaster, but, it sounds tremendous!

It’s so bad. Scrolling through 5-6 pages with knobs everywhere. But man it sounds amazing. I’d kill to have a physical modeling AUV3 that good.

My (optimistic? naive?) take is that they probably did these clumsy, barebones UIs for the built-in plugins using SwiftUI in order to get the product out the door, and we’ll likely see improvements in future updates. I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff that the Logic product engineering team wanted in the 1.0 product that they had to punt on, so I suspect and hope that the first couple years of updates will be significant. Things like better handling of multi-out plugins and project templates, but also stuff like a real multisampler and real Alchemy. My fingers are crossed.

I agree with you. Hopefully it won’t take too long. If they take too long to add features people want, people will start jumping ship or just going back to C3 i feel like.

If Logic desktop works as an indicator, rolling out updates will be slow but include a TON of fixes and not so many new features. They don‘t like smaller (but faster) bugfix updates but maybe (hopefully) they‘ll be faster with lpx ipad cause subscription…