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My thoughts on Logic Pro 2 weeks post release...

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  • Again, I might very well be clueless here, but the fact that they haven’t shipped a bug fix update yet suggests to me that the first update will be non-trivial. Hopefully we’ll see soon!

  • @MrSmileZ said:

    I am hopeful…
    I already paid for my year.

    There's no way to 'pre-pay' before the initial 30 day trial is over :sunglasses:
    You can opt for a monthly or annual plan and the money leaves you after the trial ends.

    Yea I can live with a good deal of the new guis…but there are some I dislike highly atm.

    They will 'grow' on you the more you use the app, check out he different sizes of the layouts.
    (default is auto and that can create a 'jumpy' feel when resizing so it's best to lock the sizes).

    I am for all the file features, that would indeed be nice and flexible for everyone!

    Yeah, it's really a no-brainer as the slide-over mayhem is shaky at best.
    (preview doesn't work as seamlessly as they say if you have apps that claim 'ownership' of the file-type, so one tap is NOT the same as QuickLook but rather it will open the file in the app that 'owns' it, so to preview long-tap and select quick look, arggghhh!).

    This is really a 'flaw' in iPadOS as there's no way to select the default apps for various file-types they get 'automagically' assigned to some random app that supports the file-type.

    I work differently than you with samples, I edit samples using ocenaudio on Mac…and export them. I just bought Wavebox, so I will eventually get to using that, just not soon.

    The WaveBox IAP (to apply AUv3 effects etc) was free for a while so I grabbed it.

    I do edit most of the samples on my Mac (Renoise, TwistedWave and Logic are few of the tools).
    But I'd love to see at least the basics being covered in a DAW to avoid shuffling around files.

    Time will tell where things go...

  • @klownshed said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @klownshed said:

    @realdawei said:
    one thing i’m missing is clip nudging…don’t think it’s in there…but used that a lot on desktop to nudge vocalists into the pocket

    You can use the delay parameter to nudge regions by precise amounts. -ve delay brings regions forward. Plus like everything else in the parameter panel it’s non destructive.

    isn’t easier to use the appropriate input into the Inspector?
    There you can nudge a region one tick forward/backward…

    er, that is exactly what I said! The delay parameter is in the inspector. Just drag up and down on the value to change it or tap it to enter precise amounts. Parameter panel = inspector.

    Best way is to have it cycle around the region and drag the parameter until it sounds right.

    Hmmm…
    I still don’t get it - what have Delay to do with nudge the region forward/backward?
    I see what Delay does, but it seems strange to use it as the nudge tool here, or?

    To use the Inspector and move a region with great precision must be better, or?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    To use the Inspector and move a region with great precision must be better, or?

    And this brings me to one thing I absolutely love in Logic Pro for iPad, and that is the numerical input pop-up.
    So to get the 'nudge' functionality, tap on the Position and use the up & down arrows to adjust the position of the region.

  • @Samu said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    To use the Inspector and move a region with great precision must be better, or?

    And this brings me to one thing I absolutely love in Logic Pro for iPad, and that is the numerical input pop-up.
    So to get the 'nudge' functionality, tap on the Position and use the up & down arrows to adjust the position of the region.

    Yeah, there’s several methods to move a region around - your tip here that tap and bring up the window with arrows etc ect is really good!

    Another way, point at one of the numbers (position region), still holding your finger on the surface, move your finger a bit at the right, drag your finger up or down to move a region forward/backward…

  • @Samu said:

    @MrSmileZ said:

    I am hopeful…
    I already paid for my year.

    There's no way to 'pre-pay' before the initial 30 day trial is over :sunglasses:
    You can opt for a monthly or annual plan and the money leaves you after the trial ends.

    I picked yearly and it will charge my account in July is what it said in the email…I count that as I paid, because I’ve earmarked it.

    Yea I can live with a good deal of the new guis…but there are some I dislike highly atm.

    They will 'grow' on you the more you use the app, check out he different sizes of the layouts.
    (default is auto and that can create a 'jumpy' feel when resizing so it's best to lock the sizes).

    I seen this but haven’t tried it yet

    I am for all the file features, that would indeed be nice and flexible for everyone!

    Yeah, it's really a no-brainer as the slide-over mayhem is shaky at best.
    (preview doesn't work as seamlessly as they say if you have apps that claim 'ownership' of the file-type, so one tap is NOT the same as QuickLook but rather it will open the file in the app that 'owns' it, so to preview long-tap and select quick look, arggghhh!).

    Haven’t experienced this one yet, but now I know.

    This is really a 'flaw' in iPadOS as there's no way to select the default apps for various file-types they get 'automagically' assigned to some random app that supports the file-type.

    I work differently than you with samples, I edit samples using ocenaudio on Mac…and export them. I just bought Wavebox, so I will eventually get to using that, just not soon.

    The WaveBox IAP (to apply AUv3 effects etc) was free for a while so I grabbed it.

    I do edit most of the samples on my Mac (Renoise, TwistedWave and Logic are few of the tools).
    But I'd love to see at least the basics being covered in a DAW to avoid shuffling around files.

    I wouldn’t say no…laughing out loud

    Time will tell where things go...

  • @Samu said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    I have begin to move over the most interesting one from Mac to iPad - tedious work…

    I will just wait for Apple to make them available as 'future downloads' which is bound to happen sooner or later if they want to validate the existence of the monthly subscription thing...

    There's a bunch of packs that will NOT transfer properly due iPadOS version missing the plug-ins they rely on...
    ...I just love all the classic 'Jam Packs' which rely heavily on plug-ins not present in the iPad version (UltraBeat being one of them) and another is the 'legacy sampler'(ie. not ESX24 or it's refreshed Sampler iteration).

    ...some of the really old sounds rely on the legacy plug-ins that can be shown on the Mac when using option/alt and bringing up the plug-in menu, these will also fail on import to Logic Pro for iPad...

    As for the iPad versions of the existing plug-ins I actually enjoy them more than the desktop versions, they are easier on the eyes compared to the eye-strain causing ES2 and Sculpture on the desktop and as I mostly know what I'm looking for the 'section overview' menu gives me quick access to different areas of the plug-in and the numerical entry pad is really nice :sunglasses:

    Cheers!

    Talking about UltraBeat - it’s moving over to iPad from Mac as it should (precise like the EXS24 Instruments we use in Logic for Mac).
    But, pretty annoying that we can’t save the full kit in UltraBeat into iPad.
    There’s an drum kit in UltraBeat, African Beats, that I had hope for ability to save and use in DMD…
    Is the Drum Kit different between DMD and UltraBeat?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    Is the Drum Kit different between DMD and UltraBeat?

    Yes, they are completely different plug-ins with separate factory content.
    Many of the legacy instruments are really OLD dating back to Soundtrack Pro.

    But sure when we get a proper built-in files.app browser with an option to do drag'n'drop of multiple files to a DMD Drumkit in Logic Pro for iPad I may consider dumping over some of the classic samples to the iPad and rebuild some of the kits on a need to use basis but they would still miss all the performance parameters present in UltraBeat.

    At least all the UltraBeat factory *.wavs are easy enough to locate but it also has a synthesis engine that is quite 'unique' and it's a pity Apple chose not to modernize it.

    For now I'll just treat Logic Pro for iPad as a separate app and try avoid thinking too much about what I have on the desktop...

  • @klownshed said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @klownshed said:

    @realdawei said:
    one thing i’m missing is clip nudging…don’t think it’s in there…but used that a lot on desktop to nudge vocalists into the pocket

    You can use the delay parameter to nudge regions by precise amounts. -ve delay brings regions forward. Plus like everything else in the parameter panel it’s non destructive.

    isn’t easier to use the appropriate input into the Inspector?
    There you can nudge a region one tick forward/backward…

    er, that is exactly what I said! The delay parameter is in the inspector. Just drag up and down on the value to change it or tap it to enter precise amounts. Parameter panel = inspector.

    Best way is to have it cycle around the region and drag the parameter until it sounds right.

    tried both the delay and the position parameter…both appear to get the job done thanks folks

  • So, I picked up the desktop version of Logic (well, the trial for now but most likely will buy), and it is awesome. I'll say this about some of the plugin UIs. While I definitely hope they improve the iPad versions, I actually hope they make new universal UIs for both platforms.

    To be honest, the desktop versions of the ones that look unfinished on iPad such as Sculpture, the ES synths, etc., only look a little better than the iPad versions to my eyes. I mean with the desktop versions, at least the design hints at the architecture of the synth rather than just being an endless sea of vanilla knobs. But they look very dated to me, skeuomorphic, sort of confusing, and frankly are pretty hard on the eyes. I have to blow them up to at least 150% just be able to read some of the labels.

    I really like the design of Sampler, Alchemy, Quick Sampler, Sample Alchemy, etc. My hope is that the Logic team is on a mission to make all the plugins look more like these UIs like these on both iPad and Mac.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @klownshed said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @klownshed said:

    @realdawei said:
    one thing i’m missing is clip nudging…don’t think it’s in there…but used that a lot on desktop to nudge vocalists into the pocket

    You can use the delay parameter to nudge regions by precise amounts. -ve delay brings regions forward. Plus like everything else in the parameter panel it’s non destructive.

    isn’t easier to use the appropriate input into the Inspector?
    There you can nudge a region one tick forward/backward…

    er, that is exactly what I said! The delay parameter is in the inspector. Just drag up and down on the value to change it or tap it to enter precise amounts. Parameter panel = inspector.

    Best way is to have it cycle around the region and drag the parameter until it sounds right.

    Hmmm…
    I still don’t get it - what have Delay to do with nudge the region forward/backward?
    I see what Delay does, but it seems strange to use it as the nudge tool here, or?

    To use the Inspector and move a region with great precision must be better, or?

    If you’re only nudging forward or back by a few ticks it’s much better (IMO) to use delay. This leaves the region snapped to the grid and makes life much easier when it comes to moving regions around, duplicating, looping etc.

    I personally never want the regions of the grid. For example if I want to cut a 4 bar region into two 2 bar regions and it’s start point is not exactly on the bar you don’t get 2 bar regions (at least it’s really tricky).

    Leave the region boundaries exactly on bar (or beat) lines and it’s easy.

    When you’re only nudging small amounts you can’t tell by looking in the arrange area that the region is off grid.

    Using delay to shift the content of the region earlier and later fixes all this as the region boundaries don’t move. Any splits, duplicates etc just work and regain the delay settings. Which are non destructive so it’s easy to tweak the amount of delay at any time.

    there’s a setting in the mac version of Logic which when you split audio regions can do so on zero crossing and it’s maddening. I kept ending up with timing of loops drifting due to regions not being exact divisions of a bar. Took me ages before I worked out why my audio was cronky after I’d, say, cut out a four bar section of audio and looped it.

    So yeah. TLDR. I’m my opinion you should always have regions hang on the grid. Use delay to nudge the audio or midi back or forth without moving the region boundaries. Nudging the actual region itself is asking for trouble down the line when you edit the regions/ re-arrange etc.

  • @realdawei said:

    @klownshed said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @klownshed said:

    @realdawei said:
    one thing i’m missing is clip nudging…don’t think it’s in there…but used that a lot on desktop to nudge vocalists into the pocket

    You can use the delay parameter to nudge regions by precise amounts. -ve delay brings regions forward. Plus like everything else in the parameter panel it’s non destructive.

    isn’t easier to use the appropriate input into the Inspector?
    There you can nudge a region one tick forward/backward…

    er, that is exactly what I said! The delay parameter is in the inspector. Just drag up and down on the value to change it or tap it to enter precise amounts. Parameter panel = inspector.

    Best way is to have it cycle around the region and drag the parameter until it sounds right.

    tried both the delay and the position parameter…both appear to get the job done thanks folks

    Delay is the way to go. Trust me :-)

  • @mjm1138 said:
    Again, I might very well be clueless here, but the fact that they haven’t shipped a bug fix update yet suggests to me that the first update will be non-trivial. Hopefully we’ll see soon!

    I would read nothing into there not having been an update yet. Logic is part of a long-term strategy. There isn’t a pressing need for them to turn things around fast…given the number partially implemented features people have mentioned, they have probably been working on those and will toll in bug fixes with releases that implement either incomplete features or address issues that seem pressing.

  • edited June 2023

    @SuperNiCd said:
    So, I picked up the desktop version of Logic (well, the trial for now but most likely will buy), and it is awesome. I'll say this about some of the plugin UIs. While I definitely hope they improve the iPad versions, I actually hope they make new universal UIs for both platforms.

    To be honest, the desktop versions of the ones that look unfinished on iPad such as Sculpture, the ES synths, etc., only look a little better than the iPad versions to my eyes. I mean with the desktop versions, at least the design hints at the architecture of the synth rather than just being an endless sea of vanilla knobs. But they look very dated to me, skeuomorphic, sort of confusing, and frankly are pretty hard on the eyes. I have to blow them up to at least 150% just be able to read some of the labels.

    I really like the design of Sampler, Alchemy, Quick Sampler, Sample Alchemy, etc. My hope is that the Logic team is on a mission to make all the plugins look more like these UIs like these on both iPad and Mac.

    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

  • @RajahP said:
    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Haha, yeah I have kept looking at Macs ever since the M1 came out wondering if I should make the switch. I guess I just needed that "one more reason" to tip me over the edge. Turns out showing me Logic on the iPad was that reason. Well played, Apple.

    The Mini is probably the lowest cost option assuming you already have a decent monitor and keyboard and don't need a laptop.

  • edited June 2023

    @SuperNiCd said:

    @RajahP said:
    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Haha, yeah I have kept looking at Macs ever since the M1 came out wondering if I should make the switch. I guess I just needed that "one more reason" to tip me over the edge. Turns out showing me Logic on the iPad was that reason. Well played, Apple.

    The Mini is probably the lowest cost option assuming you already have a decent monitor and keyboard and don't need a laptop.

    Yep.. the hunt is on… but does M1 matter?

    Logic removes all the ‘Technical Issues’ and you can focus on making MUSIC.. This is it..

  • @Samu said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    But sure when we get a proper built-in files.app browser with an option to do drag'n'drop of multiple files to a DMD Drumkit in Logic Pro for iPad I may consider dumping over some of the classic samples to the iPad and rebuild some of the kits on a need to use basis but they would still miss all the performance parameters present in UltraBeat.

    Is the koala browser implementation where you can “add location” similar to what you are referring to here? Or is there a better implementation in other apps? Looks like it would be a winner for Logic’s browser…but almost “too good to be coming soon”

  • @RajahP said:

    @SuperNiCd said:

    @RajahP said:
    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Haha, yeah I have kept looking at Macs ever since the M1 came out wondering if I should make the switch. I guess I just needed that "one more reason" to tip me over the edge. Turns out showing me Logic on the iPad was that reason. Well played, Apple.

    The Mini is probably the lowest cost option assuming you already have a decent monitor and keyboard and don't need a laptop.

    Yep.. the hunt is on… but does M1 matter?

    Logic removes all the ‘Technical Issues’ and you can focus on making MUSIC.. This is it..

    You mean does M1 vs. Intel matter? It does. Many, if not most, of the iOS AUv3 plugins that have been ported to Mac require an M1 or M2 processor. M1 also runs rings around any Intel chip that has ever shipped in a Mac mini. Finally, with the announcement of the M2 Ultra Mac Pro a couple weeks ago, I believe Apple is officially out of the business of shipping Intel-based computers.

    If you mean does M1 vs M2 matter, my answer is nah, not for Logic. Bounce operations might go a bit faster on M2, but the GPU cores won’t buy you anything in Logic, at least that I’m aware of.

  • @RajahP said:

    @SuperNiCd said:

    @RajahP said:
    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Haha, yeah I have kept looking at Macs ever since the M1 came out wondering if I should make the switch. I guess I just needed that "one more reason" to tip me over the edge. Turns out showing me Logic on the iPad was that reason. Well played, Apple.

    The Mini is probably the lowest cost option assuming you already have a decent monitor and keyboard and don't need a laptop.

    Yep.. the hunt is on… but does M1 matter?

    It is a significant leap forward from its predecessors for audio performance.

  • @realdawei said:

    @Samu said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    But sure when we get a proper built-in files.app browser with an option to do drag'n'drop of multiple files to a DMD Drumkit in Logic Pro for iPad I may consider dumping over some of the classic samples to the iPad and rebuild some of the kits on a need to use basis but they would still miss all the performance parameters present in UltraBeat.

    Is the koala browser implementation where you can “add location” similar to what you are referring to here? Or is there a better implementation in other apps? Looks like it would be a winner for Logic’s browser…but almost “too good to be coming soon”

    Yepp, Koala and Sitala have the best files.app integration I’ve seen so far.
    If/when Logic Pro for iPad gets something similar and also adds drag’n’drop export to the locations it’ll be a blast!

  • @RajahP said:

    @SuperNiCd said:
    So, I picked up the desktop version of Logic (well, the trial for now but most likely will buy), and it is awesome. I'll say this about some of the plugin UIs. While I definitely hope they improve the iPad versions, I actually hope they make new universal UIs for both platforms.

    To be honest, the desktop versions of the ones that look unfinished on iPad such as Sculpture, the ES synths, etc., only look a little better than the iPad versions to my eyes. I mean with the desktop versions, at least the design hints at the architecture of the synth rather than just being an endless sea of vanilla knobs. But they look very dated to me, skeuomorphic, sort of confusing, and frankly are pretty hard on the eyes. I have to blow them up to at least 150% just be able to read some of the labels.

    I really like the design of Sampler, Alchemy, Quick Sampler, Sample Alchemy, etc. My hope is that the Logic team is on a mission to make all the plugins look more like these UIs like these on both iPad and Mac.

    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Macbook Air or Mac mini. Both great computers.

  • Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

    Here is example of what I’m talking about:

  • @Luxthor said:
    Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

    Here is example of what I’m talking about:

    I mostly use my ears when making sounds ;)

  • @Samu said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

    Here is example of what I’m talking about:

    I mostly use my ears when making sounds ;)

    Can I borrow your ears?! ;)

  • @Luxthor said:

    Can I borrow your ears?! ;)

    Honestly I seldom use a spectrum analyzer or oscilloscope in the initial stage when creating sounds and go by 'feel'.
    (It does help to have a clue about what type of sound one is about to create).

    I used be almost an*l about shapes when I thought that the 'shape' of the waveform played a major role in how stuff sounds which turned out not to be the case. Just pass a simple saw, square or triangle wave thru a sweeping 1-pole all-pass filter and you'll see drastic changes in the shape while the 'sound' stays the same.

    The shape does play a bigger role at lower <1Hz frequencies especially when used for parameter modulation.

    Drawing a waveform can be a creative tool but by no means the only way to create the 'same sounding' sound.

    Nowdays I'm more focused on controlling oscillator start-phases and polarities especially when combining multiple oscillators in various ways and for that Drambo is my go-to and for my use-cases it's WaveTable oscillator with its wave-effects is unbeatable. It does offer multiple pop-up windows for oscilloscopes, spectrum analyzers, midi-monitors etc. which make this a bit smoother, no need to use multiple AUv3's.

    The most important thing is to find a tool or tools that covers the major parts of what needs to be done an work around that.
    There will never be a single tool that fully covers everyones needs :sunglasses:

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @RajahP said:

    @SuperNiCd said:

    @RajahP said:
    It's pretty tempting to go Mac just for Logic Desktop..... Don't really see any need for Ableton Live or Maschine and a host of plugins..... I think a 'For Sale sign will be erected soon.

    Wonder what's the best, least expensive Mac Path is for a PC guy?

    Haha, yeah I have kept looking at Macs ever since the M1 came out wondering if I should make the switch. I guess I just needed that "one more reason" to tip me over the edge. Turns out showing me Logic on the iPad was that reason. Well played, Apple.

    The Mini is probably the lowest cost option assuming you already have a decent monitor and keyboard and don't need a laptop.

    Yep.. the hunt is on… but does M1 matter?

    Logic removes all the ‘Technical Issues’ and you can focus on making MUSIC.. This is it..

    You mean does M1 vs. Intel matter? It does. Many, if not most, of the iOS AUv3 plugins that have been ported to Mac require an M1 or M2 processor. M1 also runs rings around any Intel chip that has ever shipped in a Mac mini. Finally, with the announcement of the M2 Ultra Mac Pro a couple weeks ago, I believe Apple is officially out of the business of shipping Intel-based computers.

    If you mean does M1 vs M2 matter, my answer is nah, not for Logic. Bounce operations might go a bit faster on M2, but the GPU cores won’t buy you anything in Logic, at least that I’m aware of.

    Pretty interesting what Apple have done with the Mac Pro - before the M2 Ultra announcement we could buy an Mac Pro with Intel Xeon CPU, and nothing strange about that, but, if we go to Apples site and wants to buy the best they can offer in a Mac Pro it’s land on 12200 dollar.

    Before M2 Ultra, if you choose the best configuration with Intel Xeon it landed on over 50000 dollar (when I checked in may this year)…

    Does that mean that Mac Pro, albeit M2 Ultra, must have difficult to compete with Windows machines with high ends Xeon CPUs?

    Hard to believe that an Mac Pro with M2 Ultra for 12200 dollar is as fast as an Mac Pro with best Xeon on the market at 50000+ dollar?

  • Seems if I don’t cancel my free trial Apple assumes I rollover onto the £49 per year subscription.Cancelled.

  • @dannysteel said:
    Seems if I don’t cancel my free trial Apple assumes I rollover onto the £49 per year subscription.Cancelled.

    It will 'roll over' to the option you selected when you initially started the trial :sunglasses:
    You can change it to monthly but it needs to be done before the 'roll over' date...

  • @dannysteel said:
    Seems if I don’t cancel my free trial Apple assumes I rollover onto the £49 per year subscription.Cancelled.

    To be clear, you don’t wanna use Logic Pro on your iPad any more?

    If you don’t wanna go annual you can easily convert it to monthly sub.

    A monthly sub can be better if you make music in different periods and other parts of the year do something else…

    It’s easy to hop in and out and still have your Logic installation left on the iPad…

  • edited June 2023

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    @Luxthor said:
    Multi AU windows are a must for me, how can anyone design sound without it, not just that…

    Here is example of what I’m talking about:

    Looks pretty nice.. Hope it comes soon.. and Logic Remote..

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