My thoughts on Logic Pro 2 weeks post release...

Samu

@HotStrange said:
So I take it no sub from you at this time?

I’m still undecided. I think I’m gonna pay for a month to dive in a bit more but I honestly think what I already have is enough.

What made you think that way?

I’ve already chosen to do the annual plan for Logic Pro for iPad and will stick with it as I ‘save’ two months every year by doing so 😎

For me it’s like ‘coming home’ and I can do what I need to do.

ErrkaPetti

@boomer said:
I am just starting on my second week and I am thinking the same thoughts as you. It’s buzzkill on the creative process. I too will give it another week to see if I can find a workflow that lets me get to what I want to hear quicker. I will offer a couple of pain points in LP…. Midi editing is super powerful in a couple ways but completely lacking in others. Most glaring is the inability to even see velocities separate from notes, never mind being able to edit them en mass. E.g. simply draw a crescendo. And I have not yet found a way to simply quantize or set absolute note lengths or ends on multiple notes. Sometimes you just want every note to be 2 beats long. Getting tired of editing these things one note at a time. There is the clunkiness of re-opening the midi editor everytime you want to go back to it - needs 2 menu selections. NS2 blows LP out of the water for midi editing, which is what I mostly do. Maybe LP will improve on these issues, but in the meantime I will plug away at it for another week or so. Your experience does not give me much hope. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

One feature you seems to lack is there, in Logic Pro for iPad:

Ability to set absolute note length and ends on multiple notes - it’s there, in the inspector:

klownshed

@ErrkaPetti said:

@boomer said:
I am just starting on my second week and I am thinking the same thoughts as you. It’s buzzkill on the creative process. I too will give it another week to see if I can find a workflow that lets me get to what I want to hear quicker. I will offer a couple of pain points in LP…. Midi editing is super powerful in a couple ways but completely lacking in others. Most glaring is the inability to even see velocities separate from notes, never mind being able to edit them en mass. E.g. simply draw a crescendo. And I have not yet found a way to simply quantize or set absolute note lengths or ends on multiple notes. Sometimes you just want every note to be 2 beats long. Getting tired of editing these things one note at a time. There is the clunkiness of re-opening the midi editor everytime you want to go back to it - needs 2 menu selections. NS2 blows LP out of the water for midi editing, which is what I mostly do. Maybe LP will improve on these issues, but in the meantime I will plug away at it for another week or so. Your experience does not give me much hope. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

One feature you seems to lack is there, in Logic Pro for iPad:

Ability to set absolute note length and ends on multiple notes - it’s there, in the inspector:

Yeah, I showed that :-) Am I on ignore?? !!!

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1216607/#Comment_1216607

ErrkaPetti

@klownshed said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@boomer said:
I am just starting on my second week and I am thinking the same thoughts as you. It’s buzzkill on the creative process. I too will give it another week to see if I can find a workflow that lets me get to what I want to hear quicker. I will offer a couple of pain points in LP…. Midi editing is super powerful in a couple ways but completely lacking in others. Most glaring is the inability to even see velocities separate from notes, never mind being able to edit them en mass. E.g. simply draw a crescendo. And I have not yet found a way to simply quantize or set absolute note lengths or ends on multiple notes. Sometimes you just want every note to be 2 beats long. Getting tired of editing these things one note at a time. There is the clunkiness of re-opening the midi editor everytime you want to go back to it - needs 2 menu selections. NS2 blows LP out of the water for midi editing, which is what I mostly do. Maybe LP will improve on these issues, but in the meantime I will plug away at it for another week or so. Your experience does not give me much hope. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

One feature you seems to lack is there, in Logic Pro for iPad:

Ability to set absolute note length and ends on multiple notes - it’s there, in the inspector:

Yeah, I showed that :-) Am I on ignore?? !!!

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1216607/#Comment_1216607

Ok, have missed that!

In the same time, we have to correct everyone here saying that functionalities is missing, but they are there already…

So, in the end, some info here will go on repeat…

HotStrange

@Samu said:

@HotStrange said:
So I take it no sub from you at this time?

I’m still undecided. I think I’m gonna pay for a month to dive in a bit more but I honestly think what I already have is enough.

What made you think that way?

I’ve already chosen to do the annual plan for Logic Pro for iPad and will stick with it as I ‘save’ two months every year by doing so 😎

For me it’s like ‘coming home’ and I can do what I need to do.

Ah okay I misunderstood. I’m doing monthly atm until I decide where exactly it fits into my workflow and if even even fits at all. Timeline has never been my go to, but I don’t think logic is bad at all. It may or may not be for me though.

jwmmakerofmusic

@ErrkaPetti said:

@klownshed said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@boomer said:
I am just starting on my second week and I am thinking the same thoughts as you. It’s buzzkill on the creative process. I too will give it another week to see if I can find a workflow that lets me get to what I want to hear quicker. I will offer a couple of pain points in LP…. Midi editing is super powerful in a couple ways but completely lacking in others. Most glaring is the inability to even see velocities separate from notes, never mind being able to edit them en mass. E.g. simply draw a crescendo. And I have not yet found a way to simply quantize or set absolute note lengths or ends on multiple notes. Sometimes you just want every note to be 2 beats long. Getting tired of editing these things one note at a time. There is the clunkiness of re-opening the midi editor everytime you want to go back to it - needs 2 menu selections. NS2 blows LP out of the water for midi editing, which is what I mostly do. Maybe LP will improve on these issues, but in the meantime I will plug away at it for another week or so. Your experience does not give me much hope. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

One feature you seems to lack is there, in Logic Pro for iPad:

Ability to set absolute note length and ends on multiple notes - it’s there, in the inspector:

Yeah, I showed that :-) Am I on ignore?? !!!

https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/1216607/#Comment_1216607

Ok, have missed that!

In the same time, we have to correct everyone here saying that functionalities is missing, but they are there already…

So, in the end, some info here will go on repeat…

Yep, I'm not concerned so much about any missing functionality. For me it's in the swiftness with which I can form an idea.

I for one am glad to have a place (Logic) to mix down stems and record vocals and master tracks and EPs in quick fashion. Logic for me excels in the swiftness with which I can do those tasks.

jwmmakerofmusic

@rs2000 said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@rs2000 said:
Haha, why would Logic Pro be better on iOS than the desktop version? 😉

Hahaha! I remember you mate when I was on my Gadget kick during my "Summer of Minimalism 2021". Those were the days. How have you been these days?

Not too bad, thanks man!
Gadget still has its solid place on my iPhone. Fire up and go when melodies surround my head. Backed by great drum and bass riffs from Stockholm. And endless synth presets, including lovely memories of my first synth, a MonoPoly. Those were the days 😅

Hahaha! Yep, those were the days when a hardware synth, let alone an entire physical studio, costed far more in value than a 12.9" 2TB M2 Pro. 😂 But I think we both agree that Monopoly, whether in hardware or software form, is a fantastic synth and the main reason I went back to Gadget lol.

Luxthor

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
I really like Logic Pro a lot, but...I still find it rather cumbersome to get an idea up and off the ground. After the first week, I figured "well, I'm still learning the software, it'll take some time", but honestly I was just as slow in the second week as I was in the first week.

So, this is what I did on my iPad Mini 6. I have deleted Pure Synth Platinum off of here (was about 30gb of storage space on a 256gb device), and I have installed the rest of the Korg ecosystem on here (Gadget, its IAPs, and the rest of the Gadget-compatible apps and their IAPs). To be quite honest, I'm much quicker at coming up with music in Gadget. Plus I missed the heck out of iMono/Poly. Honestly there's no synth like it on iOS.

So what about Logic Pro then? Well, when I create an instrumental track, it'll be mixed in Gadget but mastered in Logic Pro. When I create a vocal track, I will create the instrumental, bounce the stems, import into Logic Pro, record my vocals and process those with Brusfri and either Vocal Tune Studio or Bleass Voices, then mix everything down, and then master the track. EPs? Yes, mastered in Logic Pro.

The built-in tools and plugins Logic Pro comes with are absolutely some of the best I've had the pleasure working with. It's that Logic Pro isn't fast enough for my rapid-fire brain when my brain concocts ideas on the fly. 😂 Thank goodness for Gadget.

I knew that Logic iOS won't be my starting ground from the day of announcement, but what I still don’t know after 2 weeks is where it will land in my workflow. But that needs more time, I was just over hopeful that it will click right away.

As for now, Logic iOS has become a super tool for every kind of new idea that needs excessive and precise automation. And WIP project packer, so it can be imported to Logic macOS without usual fuss.

How is automation in Gadget? I’m kinda having a slight phobia from Korg tools, you know, like Antlion, if I come even close I will never get out until he eats me alive. 😳

jwmmakerofmusic

@Luxthor said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
I really like Logic Pro a lot, but...I still find it rather cumbersome to get an idea up and off the ground. After the first week, I figured "well, I'm still learning the software, it'll take some time", but honestly I was just as slow in the second week as I was in the first week.

So, this is what I did on my iPad Mini 6. I have deleted Pure Synth Platinum off of here (was about 30gb of storage space on a 256gb device), and I have installed the rest of the Korg ecosystem on here (Gadget, its IAPs, and the rest of the Gadget-compatible apps and their IAPs). To be quite honest, I'm much quicker at coming up with music in Gadget. Plus I missed the heck out of iMono/Poly. Honestly there's no synth like it on iOS.

So what about Logic Pro then? Well, when I create an instrumental track, it'll be mixed in Gadget but mastered in Logic Pro. When I create a vocal track, I will create the instrumental, bounce the stems, import into Logic Pro, record my vocals and process those with Brusfri and either Vocal Tune Studio or Bleass Voices, then mix everything down, and then master the track. EPs? Yes, mastered in Logic Pro.

The built-in tools and plugins Logic Pro comes with are absolutely some of the best I've had the pleasure working with. It's that Logic Pro isn't fast enough for my rapid-fire brain when my brain concocts ideas on the fly. 😂 Thank goodness for Gadget.

I knew that Logic iOS won't be my starting ground from the day of announcement, but what I still don’t know after 2 weeks is where it will land in my workflow. But that needs more time, I was just over hopeful that it will click right away.

As for now, Logic iOS has become a super tool for every kind of new idea that needs excessive and precise automation. And WIP project packer, so it can be imported to Logic macOS without usual fuss.

How is automation in Gadget? I’m kinda having a slight phobia from Korg tools, you know, like Antlion, if I come even close I will never get out until he eats me alive. 😳

😆 Hahaha. Well, automation is per clip, per scene. And it's "draw only", so turning off "snap to grid" by way of the function button before drawing in the automation is recommended. That said, I've learned how to master drawing in the automation by hand (rather, by finger lol), so it's easy for me to set it up.

Janosax

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Luxthor said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
I really like Logic Pro a lot, but...I still find it rather cumbersome to get an idea up and off the ground. After the first week, I figured "well, I'm still learning the software, it'll take some time", but honestly I was just as slow in the second week as I was in the first week.

So, this is what I did on my iPad Mini 6. I have deleted Pure Synth Platinum off of here (was about 30gb of storage space on a 256gb device), and I have installed the rest of the Korg ecosystem on here (Gadget, its IAPs, and the rest of the Gadget-compatible apps and their IAPs). To be quite honest, I'm much quicker at coming up with music in Gadget. Plus I missed the heck out of iMono/Poly. Honestly there's no synth like it on iOS.

So what about Logic Pro then? Well, when I create an instrumental track, it'll be mixed in Gadget but mastered in Logic Pro. When I create a vocal track, I will create the instrumental, bounce the stems, import into Logic Pro, record my vocals and process those with Brusfri and either Vocal Tune Studio or Bleass Voices, then mix everything down, and then master the track. EPs? Yes, mastered in Logic Pro.

The built-in tools and plugins Logic Pro comes with are absolutely some of the best I've had the pleasure working with. It's that Logic Pro isn't fast enough for my rapid-fire brain when my brain concocts ideas on the fly. 😂 Thank goodness for Gadget.

I knew that Logic iOS won't be my starting ground from the day of announcement, but what I still don’t know after 2 weeks is where it will land in my workflow. But that needs more time, I was just over hopeful that it will click right away.

As for now, Logic iOS has become a super tool for every kind of new idea that needs excessive and precise automation. And WIP project packer, so it can be imported to Logic macOS without usual fuss.

How is automation in Gadget? I’m kinda having a slight phobia from Korg tools, you know, like Antlion, if I come even close I will never get out until he eats me alive. 😳

😆 Hahaha. Well, automation is per clip, per scene. And it's "draw only", so turning off "snap to grid" by way of the function button before drawing in the automation is recommended. That said, I've learned how to master drawing in the automation by hand (rather, by finger lol), so it's easy for me to set it up.

What do you mean by draw only automation? Gadget can be automated just by touching knobs on screen.

jwmmakerofmusic

@Janosax said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Luxthor said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
I really like Logic Pro a lot, but...I still find it rather cumbersome to get an idea up and off the ground. After the first week, I figured "well, I'm still learning the software, it'll take some time", but honestly I was just as slow in the second week as I was in the first week.

So, this is what I did on my iPad Mini 6. I have deleted Pure Synth Platinum off of here (was about 30gb of storage space on a 256gb device), and I have installed the rest of the Korg ecosystem on here (Gadget, its IAPs, and the rest of the Gadget-compatible apps and their IAPs). To be quite honest, I'm much quicker at coming up with music in Gadget. Plus I missed the heck out of iMono/Poly. Honestly there's no synth like it on iOS.

So what about Logic Pro then? Well, when I create an instrumental track, it'll be mixed in Gadget but mastered in Logic Pro. When I create a vocal track, I will create the instrumental, bounce the stems, import into Logic Pro, record my vocals and process those with Brusfri and either Vocal Tune Studio or Bleass Voices, then mix everything down, and then master the track. EPs? Yes, mastered in Logic Pro.

The built-in tools and plugins Logic Pro comes with are absolutely some of the best I've had the pleasure working with. It's that Logic Pro isn't fast enough for my rapid-fire brain when my brain concocts ideas on the fly. 😂 Thank goodness for Gadget.

I knew that Logic iOS won't be my starting ground from the day of announcement, but what I still don’t know after 2 weeks is where it will land in my workflow. But that needs more time, I was just over hopeful that it will click right away.

As for now, Logic iOS has become a super tool for every kind of new idea that needs excessive and precise automation. And WIP project packer, so it can be imported to Logic macOS without usual fuss.

How is automation in Gadget? I’m kinda having a slight phobia from Korg tools, you know, like Antlion, if I come even close I will never get out until he eats me alive. 😳

😆 Hahaha. Well, automation is per clip, per scene. And it's "draw only", so turning off "snap to grid" by way of the function button before drawing in the automation is recommended. That said, I've learned how to master drawing in the automation by hand (rather, by finger lol), so it's easy for me to set it up.

What do you mean by draw only automation? Gadget can be automated just by touching knobs on screen.

AH, I forgot you can record automation too. I don't record automation. I always "draw it in". What I meant to say is "point by point" automation input doesn't exist in Gadget. It's either "draw it in", or as you said, "record it in".

Luxthor

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Janosax said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:

@Luxthor said:

@jwmmakerofmusic said:
I really like Logic Pro a lot, but...I still find it rather cumbersome to get an idea up and off the ground. After the first week, I figured "well, I'm still learning the software, it'll take some time", but honestly I was just as slow in the second week as I was in the first week.

So, this is what I did on my iPad Mini 6. I have deleted Pure Synth Platinum off of here (was about 30gb of storage space on a 256gb device), and I have installed the rest of the Korg ecosystem on here (Gadget, its IAPs, and the rest of the Gadget-compatible apps and their IAPs). To be quite honest, I'm much quicker at coming up with music in Gadget. Plus I missed the heck out of iMono/Poly. Honestly there's no synth like it on iOS.

So what about Logic Pro then? Well, when I create an instrumental track, it'll be mixed in Gadget but mastered in Logic Pro. When I create a vocal track, I will create the instrumental, bounce the stems, import into Logic Pro, record my vocals and process those with Brusfri and either Vocal Tune Studio or Bleass Voices, then mix everything down, and then master the track. EPs? Yes, mastered in Logic Pro.

The built-in tools and plugins Logic Pro comes with are absolutely some of the best I've had the pleasure working with. It's that Logic Pro isn't fast enough for my rapid-fire brain when my brain concocts ideas on the fly. 😂 Thank goodness for Gadget.

I knew that Logic iOS won't be my starting ground from the day of announcement, but what I still don’t know after 2 weeks is where it will land in my workflow. But that needs more time, I was just over hopeful that it will click right away.

As for now, Logic iOS has become a super tool for every kind of new idea that needs excessive and precise automation. And WIP project packer, so it can be imported to Logic macOS without usual fuss.

How is automation in Gadget? I’m kinda having a slight phobia from Korg tools, you know, like Antlion, if I come even close I will never get out until he eats me alive. 😳

😆 Hahaha. Well, automation is per clip, per scene. And it's "draw only", so turning off "snap to grid" by way of the function button before drawing in the automation is recommended. That said, I've learned how to master drawing in the automation by hand (rather, by finger lol), so it's easy for me to set it up.

What do you mean by draw only automation? Gadget can be automated just by touching knobs on screen.

AH, I forgot you can record automation too. I don't record automation. I always "draw it in". What I meant to say is "point by point" automation input doesn't exist in Gadget. It's either "draw it in", or as you said, "record it in".

Thanx, going to check this out, maybe Antlion will eat me after all! 😂

klownshed

@ErrkaPetti said:

In the same time, we have to correct everyone here saying that functionalities is missing, but they are there already…

So, in the end, some info here will go on repeat…

Indeed no worries.

Some people seem to get a little bit excited when they think they've found something 'essential' that's missing that they don't stop to ask first before telling us all why the UI suck so bad and why it's not good enough for them

It's OK not to like an app though... :-)

You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

TheGarageBandGuide

@klownshed said:
You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

100%

Samu

@klownshed said:

You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

Absolutely and we SHOULD do that!

There's plenty of apps here on the forum that I personally simply can't stand using which are praised by others

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

After the initial heat settled the focus shifted to what tools everyone was using to process their images, and again more 'drama' until at the end the focus shifted to the 'end result' and less focus on the 'tools' to get there.

So while Logic Pro for iPad for me is like 'coming home' I could probably do 99% of the stuff I need to do on the iPad with Drambo and SunVox which both can be hosted as AUv3's when needed...

Cheers!

ErrkaPetti

@Samu said:

@klownshed said:

You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

Absolutely and we SHOULD do that!

There's plenty of apps here on the forum that I personally simply can't stand using which are praised by others

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

After the initial heat settled the focus shifted to what tools everyone was using to process their images, and again more 'drama' until at the end the focus shifted to the 'end result' and less focus on the 'tools' to get there.

So while Logic Pro for iPad for me is like 'coming home' I could probably do 99% of the stuff I need to do on the iPad with Drambo and SunVox which both can be hosted as AUv3's when needed...

Cheers!

My second bought digital camera was an Canon Powershot G5 with a one (1) GB of memorycard (Compact Flash Drive).
It cost me more then $1000 back in 2003…
Consensus, I was not the Nikon hater like others, and two, money money money have been spent on electronics in my life since my first computer 1982 (Commodore VIC-20)…

ervin

@Samu said:
the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars'

I was Canon SLR all the way, but Nikon for small cameras so I kind of played both teams. 🙂

Working in the localisation industry back then, both of them were my customers at some point. That's when I realised that the firms themselves actively promoted this tribal war, because offering an external enemy cemented their customer base. In some languages, they even insisted on calling very basic things like "shutter speed" by different names, so you couldn't even speak about photography without immediately revealing which tribe you belonged to. 😎

klownshed

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Samu said:

@klownshed said:

You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

Absolutely and we SHOULD do that!

There's plenty of apps here on the forum that I personally simply can't stand using which are praised by others

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

After the initial heat settled the focus shifted to what tools everyone was using to process their images, and again more 'drama' until at the end the focus shifted to the 'end result' and less focus on the 'tools' to get there.

So while Logic Pro for iPad for me is like 'coming home' I could probably do 99% of the stuff I need to do on the iPad with Drambo and SunVox which both can be hosted as AUv3's when needed...

Cheers!

My second bought digital camera was an Canon Powershot G5 with a one (1) GB of memorycard (Compact Flash Drive).
It cost me more then $1000 back in 2003…
Consensus, I was not the Nikon hater like others, and two, money money money have been spent on electronics in my life since my first computer 1982 (Commodore VIC-20)…

My first computer was a VIC-20 too! I got it with the Jelly Monsters cartridge PacMan clone which was great. IIRC Jelly Monsters was so good, they were made to stop selling it by Namco or whoever it was that made Pac-Man

ik2000

@Samu said:

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

Absolutely with you there. As a former professional photographer (who was in the Nikon camp) I never ever got anything but praise from my "Canon" friends... You reach a certain level and it's about the final result and not what you use to create it. There is the fact that once you invest in a "system" it can be hard to move away from it... Back then, I had invested so much in Nikon gear there was no way I could move to Canon, Sony or Fuji, etc...

auxmux

@ervin said:

@Samu said:
the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars'

I was Canon SLR all the way, but Nikon for small cameras so I kind of played both teams. 🙂

Working in the localisation industry back then, both of them were my customers at some point. That's when I realised that the firms themselves actively promoted this tribal war, because offering an external enemy cemented their customer base. In some languages, they even insisted on calling very basic things like "shutter speed" by different names, so you couldn't even speak about photography without immediately revealing which tribe you belonged to. 😎

Everyone loves binary tribalism. It's part of human nature.

klownshed

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:

@Samu said:
the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars'

I was Canon SLR all the way, but Nikon for small cameras so I kind of played both teams. 🙂

Working in the localisation industry back then, both of them were my customers at some point. That's when I realised that the firms themselves actively promoted this tribal war, because offering an external enemy cemented their customer base. In some languages, they even insisted on calling very basic things like "shutter speed" by different names, so you couldn't even speak about photography without immediately revealing which tribe you belonged to. 😎

Everyone loves binary tribalism. It's part of human nature.

You might. I don't.

klownshed

@ik2000 said:

@Samu said:

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

Absolutely with you there. As a former professional photographer (who was in the Nikon camp) I never ever got anything but praise from my "Canon" friends... You reach a certain level and it's about the final result and not what you use to create it. There is the fact that once you invest in a "system" it can be hard to move away from it... Back then, I had invested so much in Nikon gear there was no way I could move to Canon, Sony or Fuji, etc...

I never got into the brand tribalism. I had an Olympus, a Nikon then a Fuji,

Now I prefer film to digital. I just love B&W film. If I ever get time I need to set up my darkroom again. There's nothing like making your own prints to send the satisfaction levels off the chart.

anickt

Use one app for several years and several cycles of upgrades - “it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread!”

Use another app for two weeks with no upgrades yet - “this thing is shite!”

Give me a break…

auxmux

@klownshed said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:

@Samu said:
the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars'

I was Canon SLR all the way, but Nikon for small cameras so I kind of played both teams. 🙂

Working in the localisation industry back then, both of them were my customers at some point. That's when I realised that the firms themselves actively promoted this tribal war, because offering an external enemy cemented their customer base. In some languages, they even insisted on calling very basic things like "shutter speed" by different names, so you couldn't even speak about photography without immediately revealing which tribe you belonged to. 😎

Everyone loves binary tribalism. It's part of human nature.

You might. I don't.

😁

ervin

@anickt said:
Use one app for several years and several cycles of upgrades - “it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread!”

Use another app for two weeks with no upgrades yet - “this thing is shite!”

Give me a break…

It's not an impossibility though, is it. Have you never seen an app where you could see after only a few minutes, let alone two weeks, how crap it was? 🙂

ik2000

@klownshed said:

@ik2000 said:

@Samu said:

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

Absolutely with you there. As a former professional photographer (who was in the Nikon camp) I never ever got anything but praise from my "Canon" friends... You reach a certain level and it's about the final result and not what you use to create it. There is the fact that once you invest in a "system" it can be hard to move away from it... Back then, I had invested so much in Nikon gear there was no way I could move to Canon, Sony or Fuji, etc...

I never got into the brand tribalism. I had an Olympus, a Nikon then a Fuji,

Now I prefer film to digital. I just love B&W film. If I ever get time I need to set up my darkroom again. There's nothing like making your own prints to send the satisfaction levels off the chart.

Film.... I miss those days. The smell of the darkroom and the moment when the photograph appears for the first time. You can't beat it. Just don't have the time or space for developing film now, as much as I'd like to go total old school one day and go for a large format camera and release my inner Ansel Adams!

TimRussell

Wait..we’re on Logic Pro 2 already ??

ErrkaPetti

@klownshed said:

@ErrkaPetti said:

@Samu said:

@klownshed said:

You can dislike something without it having to be 'bad' though. Sometimes something just isn't for us.

Absolutely and we SHOULD do that!

There's plenty of apps here on the forum that I personally simply can't stand using which are praised by others

All it reminds me of is the 'drama' that happened way back when I was knees deep into Digital Photography and the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars' started. Until there was more viable options (brands) available things got pretty hectic but in the end most of us learned to appreciate the knowledge created by both 'camps'.

Back then I was in the Nikon camp but never disliked Canon users like some others did...
...the 'camp mentality' is pretty childish to be honest.

After the initial heat settled the focus shifted to what tools everyone was using to process their images, and again more 'drama' until at the end the focus shifted to the 'end result' and less focus on the 'tools' to get there.

So while Logic Pro for iPad for me is like 'coming home' I could probably do 99% of the stuff I need to do on the iPad with Drambo and SunVox which both can be hosted as AUv3's when needed...

Cheers!

My second bought digital camera was an Canon Powershot G5 with a one (1) GB of memorycard (Compact Flash Drive).
It cost me more then $1000 back in 2003…
Consensus, I was not the Nikon hater like others, and two, money money money have been spent on electronics in my life since my first computer 1982 (Commodore VIC-20)…

My first computer was a VIC-20 too! I got it with the Jelly Monsters cartridge PacMan clone which was great. IIRC Jelly Monsters was so good, they were made to stop selling it by Namco or whoever it was that made Pac-Man

Yeah, VIC20 was a great beginning of computing!
Ended up with Sinclair Spectrum 48k, Commodore64, Amiga 1000, Amiga 500, Amiga 2000, Amiga 3000, Windows shit, and ended with a lot of Mac computers since 2008…
Have been an expensive travel, but also joyful…

Luxthor

@auxmux said:

@klownshed said:

@auxmux said:

@ervin said:

@Samu said:
the Nikon vs. Canon 'wars'

I was Canon SLR all the way, but Nikon for small cameras so I kind of played both teams. 🙂

Working in the localisation industry back then, both of them were my customers at some point. That's when I realised that the firms themselves actively promoted this tribal war, because offering an external enemy cemented their customer base. In some languages, they even insisted on calling very basic things like "shutter speed" by different names, so you couldn't even speak about photography without immediately revealing which tribe you belonged to. 😎

Everyone loves binary tribalism. It's part of human nature.

You might. I don't.

😁

So if I say what fav camera system is in my possession, going to lose respect from the half of the population here on Audiobus forum.😮 Darn! Nope, not gonna happen. 🤫

klownshed

My favourite camera. Evs.