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Oh yeah that’s what I do. I set up my tracks so that when I add them they’re blank and add the plugins via the tiles panel. Having search in the plugin menu is the feature I’m missing most on the Mac now!
Yeah I got that.
Some people are complaining that their Logic screen gets ‘crowded’ and it bog down their creativity…
But this trick helps a lot.. tap the bottom bar.
Yes. And doing so is simple and straightforward.
When using an arpeggiator you want the starts and ends of notes in chords to be precisely as you want them to be. Spent all day yesterday trying to figure out how to do that quickly. Ended up dragging one note at a time.
A matter of fact, we all have been so spoiled that we thinking a few tap on a screen is tiring…
It’s not that long ago musicmaking was really hard, heavy equipment, many cables etc etc…
Remember the people in the past, Nat King Cole made amazing records with good sound quality already early 50’s, and that was with four and eight channel taperecorder, not as todays hitmakers that must have at least 128 tracks to get a nice sound/song…
If we ain’t capable to make great music on an descent iPad with Logic Pro, then it’s wrong with us, not the iPad or Logic Pro…
Yeah. a 5K screen is looovely.
Oh my MacBook Pro I do what I used to do in the early days of Logic and make extensive use of screensets (which would be very welcome on the iPad!)
As you can link windows, I’d have a screenset with the main arrange window, another with an arrange window zoomed in, another with a full screen piano roll, another with a full screen mixer, etc and switch between them with the number keys on the keyboard which would update with whatever I’d selected in the previous screen.
I always put the same type of content on the same number screenset so I know which key to hit if I want a full screen piano roll instantly.
Totally necessary on a Mac Classic.
Hard to believe I used to use Logic on a 512 x 384 pixel display with 1MB ram and an 8MHz 68000 processor! Albeit MIDI only. I did have it synced to tape though. Full transport control.
I remember it being lighting fast at the time. You could edit MIDI without stopping the transport which was impossible with all the sequencers that came before it I think. Certainly with Vision. (Which I really liked!)
And I’ve never wanted to use a sequencer without non destructive parameters of regions ever since! I hate having to open an editor window to transpose or quantise. Especially when they’re destructive.
The UI was FUGLY! but it could talk to my Fostex tape machine which Vision couldn’t (it only had vanilla MMC. Not Fostex code.)
Sorry about the reminiscing tangent!
I’ve not yet managed to gel with Drambo either.
I can’t get my head around how or why I should use it. I got sucked into all the hype around here and thought it would be great but I guess it’s not something that works with the way my brain is wired.
Oh I always hated having to open the piano roll editor in NS2 to get to quantise, transpose etc. And hated the fact it was destructive even more.
It goes to show that when you’re used to doing something a certain way it’s annoying to have to adapt.
Having Logic on iPad means I personally have to adapt a lot, lot less. I can understand that this is the opposite for many around here.
One other thing I think has a bearing on the Logic UI and how much you like or dislike it:
I’ve always had perfect eyesight. Until the last couple of years that is — where I’m starting to need reading glasses when it gets darker and my eyes are tired.
I find UIs like NS2s to be too small to use comfortably without glasses. Logic is much kinder on my eyes.
I honestly never really appreciated that when I was younger.
I designed database software for my company and i would get complaints that the UI was too small but I didn’t understand that as well as I thought I did. I assumed if you wore glasses you’d see things as easily as I could.
Turns out getting old is a bitch
Opening multiple AU windows is what I miss most. If we can at least customize plug-in tiles.
Setting the length in the inspector is the best way to do this with Logic if you’re editing notes you’ve recorded ‘live’. Will work with multiple notes selected. Much quicker than dragging individual notes.
Unless you want to but the notes up against the next chord in which case use note force legato.
One of the few things I don't like about NS2. Destructive quantize, perhaps tolerable. Destructive swing though? That is a cardinal sin.
Depends on workflow.. only thing i am missing in NS is to hear actually change during i tweak quantisation settings.. after i apply it, it's for me done, i want to see notes at their actual position and most importa tly i want to be able to move them manually if i want .. non-destructive shenigans never clicked with me in any daw and avoided using it
Oh my god. I think I'll have to put you on ignore from now on
pretty aware ima, unicorn with this opinion here on ABF lol
And for what it's worth, you can see the new position with non-destructive quantise. And you can move them manually. And you have the choice to fix it if you're a total lunatic too. And you can do all of that in the arrange window on multiple regions simultaneously without having to open multiple edit windows.
The parameter box is the single best thing in Logic and any other DAW ever. I was hooked since v1.1.
Having to go into edit windows to destructively do things that take a fraction of a second in Logic is barbaric
and when i move such note, it still holds applied quantisation/swing, so when i turn it off, it moves my note ? This is it.. this way i can get quickly lost what note is moved by quantisation and what is actually placed on it's "real" place..
i am simple guy when i make music i do not want to use brain for thinking, i do not want to even think there is some shenigans applied - i just want to see notes in their final fixed positions and when i move some of them i want to be sure they stay there, not that they move somewhere else when i turn off some non-destructice thing somewhere 😝
I am not arguing other people use it differently.. i just don't like it .. do i think differently than most of people ? Probably yes..
Lots of people need to hear #3 haha. Sure it may sound better in the moment but drowning everything in reverb can make it unlistenable at a certain point.
I’m working on a track now that I’m gonna be mastering in Logic and also working on a track from scratch in Logic to really put it to the test.
The features are there but the ergonomics aren’t yet tuned into easy workflow.Hopefully improves with updates but right now Cubasis 3 and Korg Gadget get me into the creative zone so much more smoothly and fast.
I really like the UI and ergonomics...never felt so productive. It's not perfect...but then, nothing on iPadOS is...with exception of maybe Drambo
If you record a note and it's say 10 ticks early and then you quantise, it gets put exactly on the grid. If you then move that note by a 16th it remains on the grid. If you turn off quantise it is 10 tick early, but remains a 16th further forward. It doesn't move it to its original location. It keeps it where you placed it. just removes the quantisation relative to the grid. It's so natural to me I don't ever have to think about it.
If I quantise to 16ths but it feels too rigid, I can go in and reduce the strength of the quantising, maybe only quantising the notes furthest away from perfectly on-grid. And it's not fixed so I can adjust as I add other parts that might affect the feel.
I can also apply delay, +ve or -ve to the parts, to make say my legato strings sit better and then adjust the quantise parameters to make it feel just right.
All in real time. I don't have to make a guess, apply it, then try and adjust from there.
If I decide a little later whilst mixing, I can tweak it or change the quantise without ruining anything.
If I add another part and they don't quite sit right together I can adjust the quantise strength. All relative to my original performance.
If I then add a drummer track, I can steal the feel of that track and apply it, again varying the strength, again all relative to how I originally played it. If I'd fixed it I wouldn't be able to do that -- I'd be stuck with every note being perfectly on the grid. Sometimes even a tiny percentage less than 100% strength makes the difference between something that's too rigid to feeling just right.
And if I'm feeling a bit like a lunatic and want to fix the quantising, I can apply quantise permanently. Which on the Mac is as quick as Ctrl+Q on the region(s).
Having non-destructive quantisation AND the option to apply it permanently is leagues better than only having the option to destructively apply it -- especially if you can't even hear what the result is until you apply it. Deal breakingly better.
If you are used to destructive quantising why would you even switch it off anyway?
They don't 'move somewhere else' anyway. They just get moved relative to their original position.
Say I play a note that comes in at 1 1 1 218 and I quantise it. It's now at 1 1 2 1. If I now move that forward a bar it goes to 2 1 2 1. If I turn off quantise it goes to 2 1 1 218. Just how it should be. Exactly as played, just a bar further on.
You can argue this until you're blue in the face but there is no way you can ever convince me even slightly that there is an argument for destructive quantising over non-destructive. Especially when you can make it destructive if you want. And it's still quicker to do that than to have to go into every region's editor, select the notes, choose quantise, choose some settings. etc. Not being able to hear what effect your choices will have until you apply them is the real nonsense here.
In logic you just drag on the parameter and it will affect every region selected. In realtime. With instant feedback. It's genius. There are many things about Logic that are subjective. But this?
You're losing the plot dear Dendy. :-)
I never have to think about it.
"Shenanigans" is about as far removed from how I'd describe Logic's non-destructive parameters as you can get.
And in the spirit of positivity and calm (
), here's a calming little orchestral-ey sountrack-ey type tune I made with my good friend and old bandmate in Logic. (on Mac, Can't get those strings on the iPad. Yet.).
Super impressive!
I still use a 4-track and 2-track master recorder a lot of the time. I’d rather do that then use Logic on the iPad at this point!
But I am also using a lot of old synths and am used to everything being instant and already set up…
That is one powerful piece of music.
Yep, I enjoy plug-in tiles workflow more than the mixer.
But the only threat for me is the horrific “back button” They absolutely must address that imo. I hope design stubbornness doesn’t prevail on that one
This is exactly how I feel about it all… on all accounts.
Sounds nice!
The Strings you can’t bring to iPad, please tell us more what it is…
Personally on 12.9 I find the UI absolutely fine. The only thing is that it is a bit sluggish at times, opening auv3s full screen. I'm on an M1 so I can't imagine how much worse this could be on devices with older chips