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Yeah but dismissing a drum app which has awful timing isn't the same as just brushing the surface with Logic and dismissing it as rubbish.
Big complex apps like Logic need to be learnt well. It takes time. It also takes willingness to adapt to it's ways in the same way switching DAWs on desktop does.
I can't switch to Bitwig and start complaining about the fact it's not Logic... I either go all in and embrace the differences or I accept the fact that I'm too stuck in my ways and stick with what I know.
The trouble with Logic on the iPad is a lot of people are coming at it with Live, Digital Performer, Cubase, BitWig etc. biases and nothing works the way they're used to. Plus it's different from the Mac anyways as it's made for touch and it embraces the fact it's going to be used with fat fingers and doesn't pretend to be a desktop app.
As iPad for Logic is the only game in town when it comes to this particular category of audio apps (AUM, Loopy Pro etc. don't count. They're great apps but they're not in the same category as Logic Pro, Cubase et al), it leads to a lot of discontent. It would be very different if the other "BIG DAWS" made the journey to iPad too... Live on an iPad will be just as alien to a logic user as logic is to a Live user.
Ultimately you either want to adapt or you don't. Either is fine. But it's on you which you choose. You can't blame Apple for being too Apple-y for your taste. LP4iP has added to the pool of audio apps available. It hasn't taken anything away.
If you like it, it's game changing for audio on the iPad. If you don't, you'll still probably benefit down the road from the Halo-effect of having one of the big-dog-DAWs on your platform of choice.
Logic Pro for iPad is a very deep and capable app on iPadOS and it will take more than 2 weeks to fully test it. I’m just scratching the surface with it and i feel like I’ve already discovered a lot within the app.
I personally enjoy apps which help me grow and develop new production skills during the early stages of me learning them. Drambo took some time to understand and Logic is growing on me in much the same way. This week i am exploring the Step/Melodic sequencer to see what kind of Elektron fun i can have with it.
@klownshed @ErrkaPetti I stand corrected on absolute length. Thank you. But the end/length quantization and velocity “sculpting” things are just too important for me. I am 100% linear midi centric.
@Samu I am cynical by nature and I try to fight it. Those same conspiracy thoughts briefly entered my mind but I pushed them out. Your post has brought them home to roost.
@jwmmakerofmusic using one app for this and another for that is something we all do I think. Problem is that I will often hear something at the mastering stage that is best fixed by going back to the midi sequence and/or the synths response to it. This can be tedious using multiple apps. Like others here, my great unrealized hope was for LP to actually be a professional comprehensive DAW. Sigh…
I will take another look at Gadget. But I think it may be back to NS2 for me.
I’m just getting tired of recording projects and all the clutter involved. Wish it had come along a few years ago when I was still into it. But at this point, I pretty much just like jamming, and making careful recordings is just a hassle that’s become not worth the time or effort. Really all about me getting lost for an hour or two, not about anyone else ever hearing it. As it always was
I've certainly never felt the need to quantise note ends/note duration. If I play it in I may edit the odd note to adjust length, if I draw it in I just draw them the length I want. I guess I've never worried about the length of notes before, other than to force legato (which is another function available in Logic that I do use a lot for monophonic/legato instruments). But usually I just stick with what I played.
I do often use the gate function to adjust all the note lengths in the inspector if I want to change the feel (or if say I switch to a drum patch where the hits haven't been set to one shot and I can't be bothered to go in and change them all).
But I've never felt the need to have all my note lengths quantised. I can't think of too many situations where that might be useful to be honest. I guess it depends on the instrument you're playing.
Since I've been testing Logic Pro on desktop, I don't think I've ever had better sounding results in my mixes. I'm glad now that I was "forced" into using it due to crashing problems with GarageBand. When I get my new iPad Pro (eventually...) I'll be unifying my production process.
well, even through Logic on MAC is my most favourite DAW ever, i very much dislike Logic on iPad ..
so for me it's not that i am used to work with different workflow in different daws ...
basic structure on iPad is same as on desktop, that's ok - my problem is with UI which is horribly bad optimised for small touch screen .. Or bettor to say it is not optimised at all - as a coder, i would say whole UI was designed by coders and not by professional UI/UX designers with iPad apps design experience.
what ? using it all the time .. literally almost after every live recording cause i am extremely bad keyboard player lol
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Ok, so Nanostudio 2 have his function, both length and note end quantization?
;-)
BM3 can do optional note-end quantize as well...
...most of the time I tend to set the gate-time to half, so 16th notes have the duration of a 32nd note.
How about you give yourself a break and leave my thread. You don't need to come in here and spread your toxic sardonic attitude problem! That's uncalled for!
Ever heard the old adage "don't like it, don't look at it"? Move on!
But there's a little truth to this to be honest...
There's way too many 'face-palm moments' in the Logic Threads with complaints about 'missing-features' which were not really missing but not yet 'discovered'.
This resulted in some users dissing the app hard instead of admitting they didn't even bother to try and find the things they were looking for. Heck some complainers never even downloaded the app because the sub-thing tickled the wrong nerve...
Oh well, this is the internet after all, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion but showing their opinion in the throats of others is bound to create drama
Same here. Usually you fix it in the mix or MIDI stage, but there are some basic guidelines I try to follow to keep a mix crystal clear...
And other little guidelines like that which keep the mix nice and tidy. ^_^
Of course there's always a little truth in things. I just don't care for the disrespectful delivery. That's the type of toxic rubbish I'd expect to find in the KVR forum or Gearspace forum.
This is true, but I've explored Logic Pro pretty much in depth. And I never said "Logic Pro is no good". I said "It's perfect for mixing and mastering and recording vocals." I forgot to put the "personally" disclaimer, but I figured others would assume I'm speaking from my own personal experience.
Lol! This is true, but I've explored Logic Pro over the course of two weeks. I admit there may be a couple of things I have missed, but to be honest I'm speaking more about how it fits in my personal workflow.
And when was I shoving my opinion down anyone else's throat? I wasn't here knocking on anyone's door with the "Bible" trying to talk to them about God. 😂
I think main issue of @jwmmakerofmusic with Logic are not "missing features" but in general clunky cumbersome UI layout and workflow. Which i can pretty much understand cause that's my problem too.. That has nothing to do with plain features list (which is, honestly, pretty impressive, no doubt about that)
It’s way too hard to initially find the synths and not just the presets, that’s for sure
I don’t agree. I think it’s pretty cool. Not perfect but I like it. Double tapping the bottom bar, swiping panels in and out etc works fine for me.
You make it sound like fact rather than opinion.
In my opinion it works. Could it be better? For sure. I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets fairly major tweaks over the next year or two.
Having said all of that, I still much prefer the Mac version of Logic. And I much prefer Mac OS to iPadOS too.
I literally never found a need to quantise note ends. Starts sure. Ends? Why?
In fact I don’t want to quantise the lengths. I will manually edit the odd note that’s way off or doesn’t work the length I played it, but I can’t think of any situations whereby quantising note lengths is necessary for me.
the available tools to adjust note lengths have always been more than sufficient for me. I use force legato all the time for example.
If I’m that bothered about quantisation and getting things exactly on the grid I use step input/pattern editor instead.
So yeah. I’m not saying there’s no need for it; clearly it’s important for you. I just can’t work out why I’d want it :-)
On the flip side I find using a sequencer or DAW that doesn’t have non-destructive parameter controls such as quantise baffling.
Only having Destructive quantise is all sorts of wrong! And I don’t want to have to go into an edit window to change quantise, transposition etc. horses. Courses.
Yes, you got it right mate. At first I did complain about Flex Pitch missing, but I figured I'd give Logic a shot. I did so for two weeks. I still plan to use Logic for recording vocals. We have Vocal Tune Studio and the upcoming Bleass Voices to make up for Flex Pitch currently missing. But yes, the clunkiness of the app is why I went back to Gadget.
@klownshed
any chance you have 12.9” pro ? from screenshots it looks like on big screen the UI may be completely ok .. maybe problem is simply i have just Air .. on Air it’s endless frustrating resizing of windows most of time (during which it often crashes, that’s another topic). I really deeply not understand how this may be acceptable for somebody …
I can see how on 12.9” it may be very different experience
I can attest that Logic is easier on a 12.9" screen, but it's still rather clunky to deal with in my personal experience.
ah ok …
The non-destructive quantize is just one of the things I really love in Logic and GarageBand
For me what sets Logic Pro for iPad apart from the other iDAWs (yes all of them) is that I don't feel 'stressed' when using it which allows me to focus, I guess it's got something to do with the overall design-language of the UI.
(Both Cubasis and ZenBeats 'stress me up' to a degree where I can't spend more than 15 minutes in one sitting before getting 'stressed up' and close the apps).
Sure not all features are fully there yet and some are a bit quirky but what's already there works for me more than well enough.
So yeah, I'm 'sold' in a sense that I'll keep using Logic Pro for iPad as main 'DAW'...
...not deleting the others just yet but they will not get that much attention from now on...
Nope. Just an Air 4. I double tap to open and close windows. I don’t resize via dragging much. And I’ve recently been mainly living in the Live Loops and it’s fine.
As far as it being acceptable, no less so than any other iPad app.
No worse than using Logic on my 14” MacBook Pro after using my 5K 27” desktop display!
I used to use the original Emagic Notator Logic on a Mac Classic with 512 pixels across.
I guess I’m adaptable.
Then there's the eventual price rise. How far are people willing to go to stay on that app? That's one of the reasons I don't want to become reliant on a subscription model. Mugs game as far as I'm concerned. Besides, I've got plenty of other stuff to play around with. Still got to learn Drambo 😀
I think the Mixer window is the most frustrating UI element. You set your Mixer to full-screen, open a plugin which then shrinks the Mixer window down, and then when you exit the plugin the Mixer window is tiny so you have to resize it/maximise it. Even on a 12.9 that can get irritating.
As a result I'm more inclined to select the plugins in the arranger view via the plugin tiles, at least then there isn't that constant need to resize the windows when you exit the plugin.
This too, although this wasn't as big of an issue for me personally . But, at the end of the day, I still like how quick it is for me to master in Logic Pro. And Logic Pro seems to detect the latency of my airpods and automatically lines up the vocals for me the couple times I've tried vocal recording. Miraculous.
I wasn’t talking about Logic in my comment.
well when i switched Logic desktop from my 26” display to 13” air that was horrible experience and i made mental note for myself “never try this again” 😂
this reminds me that reason why i don’t use Drambo even through i really wanted is exactly same like iPad Logic.
That dam resizable/draggable “accordion” like layout.
Oh god. O dislike this type of UI sooo much on iPad 😂 Instant frustration.
Then I guess you'll also most likely dislike SunVox which is the OG of the as you put it 'accordion UIs'
But that's perfectly ok as we're allowed to have our own preferences.
yup, exactly.. even through i am a big tracker fan, spend years on desktop with trackers, and SunVox reminds me Buzz which was my main production tool for very long time ... but that accordion layout, dammit 🤬