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Yes, 2x Lagrange, sequenced with Helium, and with the Hilda sequencer.
Drums with FAC Drumkit with a custom made freebie 808 kit from Samples from Mars (https://samplesfrommars.com/search?q=free) And indeed, sequenced with Octachron.
Thanks
its nice that you can have the drive on the complete dry signal.
and its sounds good
Could anyone explain this aspect of virtual cv to me?
“ DC - provides a DC offset that you can scale with the associated attenuator. Since the CV attenuator itself can be automated or MIDI mapped, you can use this like an expression pedal. It will provide the same range of automation/modulation to a parameter regardless of any presets you choose.”
I’m not a modular guy. I mapped an lfo to the lfo rate attenuator in clusterflux, but I don’t see any different behaviour whether dc is selected or not. So I would love some clarity on this function if anyone can provide it, cheers
Edit - I do hear the difference now, but I am still not really clear how to describe in simple language what is happening
Edit edited - ok, so I think it’s just that if you assign an lfo to modulate an attenuator - if you don’t turn on dc, the lfo just won’t have any effect on the attenuator. Is that right? And why do it that way? Why not just let the lfo modulate the attenuator without needing to select dc - don’t get it
Another edit - ok so I think doing things this way is better than modulating the lfo rate knob with a midi lfo directly - using this dc thing gets rid of the stepping - correct? So allows you to actually use a midi lfo but converts it into high res midi?
Generally in modular DC refers to signals that only go upwards from zero, meaning you can only ever affect things positively, ie increasing them, whereas AC signals will swing below zero, meaning that you can affect a setting both negatively and positively. I’m not at my iPad right now so can’t do a test to see if this is what Joe l you’re seeing or not, but that’s the general rule (I think, someone dead corner will probably come along in a minute and shoot me down like always😂)
From Moog:
DC is a constant signal of maximum amplitude here, this means that the attenuator for the CV signal all the way open is full range. You can then use any parameter automation to automate that CV input. This is different form automating the knobs because it still allows you to tweak the knobs and change presets, while also having control over the additional CV signal
FWIW, modulating the filter cutoff AU param, even at audio rate, seems to produce the same results as modulating through CV, but of course you lose the ability to tweak the knob in the UI
Fair enough! I’ve been hoping for these to get ported since the desktop ones were released so I jumped on it immediately. FWIW I think they’re amazing and highly worth it.
Magic Delay is one of my favorite delays and effects in general on iOS. All of their apps are fantastic but Delay and Blur are otherworldly.
Let us know your thoughts! They’re really a lot of fun.
OK, I’ll have a crack at this, though the caveat is that my understanding may not be what Moog are meaning, if you see what I mean. And if I’ve got this hopelessly wrong, someone jump in and tell me!
A DC offset basically moves a waveform up or down from a centre baseline (zero offset). So an attenuverter adjusts how much wobble there is (and which direction), and ann offset control sets the point around which the wobble occurs. In this case, though, the main knob to which you’re applying the CV effectively does that
Having had a delve in a couple of the MFs, this is what it looks like to me:
What you have on each CV input is an attenuverter, which sets the amount of wobble the CV applies to the target knob, and which direction it does it in. So far so good. The DC option seems to turn the attenuverter knob into an offset control (selecting it seems to disconnect any other connection). The function of this seems to be to allow you to use the attenuverter like an expression pedal: the voltage becomes DC rather than an AC modulation signal, so you can set a knob value on the main control and use the attenuverter knob to vary it but leave the knob’s value alone, so when the attenuverter is at 0 (doing nothing) the knob position in the main panel applies.
The point seems to be to allow you to manually (or using a MIDI LFO on the attenuverter knob) adjust things (ie play the attenuverter knob), while still letting you adjust the main control, which you can’t do if you automate it directly.
(I’m crossing my fingers I haven’t got this horribly wrong!)
I was with you until the last clause. In AUM you can adjust the amount of CC effect on any parameter you automate with an LFO. It's the midi equivalent of an attenuverter.
Op, just saw these. Love when Moog drops something out of nowhere. I never had these as a kid but do remember a couple older kids talking about “Moog’s new guitar pedals” and me scoffing at wanting a synth pedal for a guitar. I have a feeling the Murf is gonna be the easy winner. But a pretty full-featured suite of effects, simple to deal with while still letting you get weird.
While I think the CV connectivity is a great technological achievement, I can’t reealllly see the big deal about modulating one pedals knob with another’s LFO. I dunno, I’ll prob go see how expansive it can get. I’m just usually not impressed with the things you can actually do with semi-modular capabilities. Most of the time they just seem like synth wank for people who like to talk.
Another big up to the Magic series of effects. Some of the most novel sounds I’ve heard in years, and not too painful to calibrate.
Yep I bought 3 apps in advance of the bundle to start playing around with and completed the bundle at $9.99 for the remaining 5 apps.
If waiting , Just make sure you complete the bundle before all the prices raise from 9.99 to 14.99 because the bundle price will also likely raise to I think around $59.99 if it’s half the cost of full price like the current bundle , but then only 9.99 per app you paid for will be reduced from the $59.99 as opposed to with intro price bundle it will subtract what you paid from $39.99
Of course you can adjust CC effect via AUM (or another host), or (certainly with Rozeta LFOs) by using the range settings of the MIDI LFO itself. However…
@Gavinski was asking about what the DC option was doing. It’s turning the attenuverter knob into a variable DC offset control. That means (for example) you can set the frequency of the filter cutoff on the main panel, use a MIDI CC to modulate it via the attenuverter knob, while still being able to manually adjust the cutoff via the main panel knob. More performance options, basically - if you modulate the panel knob itself you can’t adjust it any more as the CC is controlling the knob. The CC source may be a pedal or knob, not just an LFO - and you need to adjust the CC range as you mention above, because the attenuverter knob is now an offset control, so can’t act as an attenuverter.
As Gav pointed out above, this seems to have the second advantage that it smooths out the CC to remove the steppiness in the modulation. Superficially (on the basis of a brief listen) I’d say he’s right. It seems much more smooth using the attenuverter rather than modulating the panel knob.
Thanks, I see now. If I understand correctly--the advantage is that one can automate the Moog app's attenuvertor itself by CC, giving an extra dimension of control that you can't automate in AUM.
Now I'm wondering if the range settings in Rozeta LFO are exposed parameters. Hmmm.....!
That seems right. Though I note the MF manuals refer to them as attenuators whereas you keep mentioning attenuvertors. Aren’t they different?
It’s not - midi is stepped, this virtual cv system is step-free, totally smooth, like analogue gear or hi-res midi. So it is a very big deal actually, especially for certain things like slow filter cutoff modulation. See my post earlier about this. Great apps, great idea!
I’m definitely right - when using slow lfos and comparing the visualization of modulation in the apps, you can also see the lack of stepping when using the dc option vs using an lfo directly to modulate a knob. With a slow sine lfo modding a knob directly, you can see the white line around the knob jumping slightly. With the dc system, the same lfo behaviour will produce smooth as butter results.
They are different, but attenuator would probably cover both. The ones on the MFs are definitely attenuverters, though.
Attenuators are basically like volume controls, so control the amount of signal going through them.
Attenuverters are just attenuators that can also invert the signal as well. So at 12 o’clock they do nothing - volume is right down, effectively. Turn to the right, it opens up with the same direction as the input signal (turns the knob it controls to the right, or modulates upwards). Turn to the left it opens up with the signal inverted (turns the knob it controls to the left, or modulates downwards).
That’s conclusive, then. And the way they’ve done it is pretty clever, I have to say. It’s one thing to have the smooth stuff internally, another level to have it smooth external steppy signals out.
can you hear a steppy cutoff modulation in a full mix?
Ah, that all makes sense now, I’d tried to figure out why you’d need another attenuvator but hadn’t realised the knobs could be modulated externally…
Indeed!
That would really depend, but for the kind of minimalist drone stuff I like to do, not having stepping makes an audible difference.
Little demo using midiLFOs on X / Twitter, and the same demo on Threads. Using the DC function giving zero stepping on sine lfos etc:
https://x.com/gavinski_s/status/1691010747554557953?s=61&t=h9IT_HLFyi9pwn2iXlMGDQ
https://www.threads.net/@gavinskistutorials/post/Cv61RJlBqjw/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
is there any i can't build in mirack?
I don't think so, after building some of them with Drambo.
What you have here is a set of dedicated plugins with custom UI, and some prefer it this way.
Indeed - not that I’m mad about these UIs - the white dots on the attenuators to show knob position are too small, the knobs in general are too shiny and metallic looking. I find it distracting. Still, great apps, nothing’s perfect I guess 🤷♂️
Super interesting ! I’m curious.
Would you show us some examples of what t you achieved?