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  • @Gravitas said:

    @offbrands said:

    Good hunting! Give them some ups from me if that ever comes to fruition.

    Will do and if he's up for it I may even do a dRambo special.

    I’m curious of the users of Drambo. I recall Benn Jordan mentioning his love of Drambo on a video years ago and I wonder if he ever talked more about that or continues to use it.

    I don't know who Benn Jordan is however now that I have his monniker I'll go have a listen.

    There's been quite a few things bubbling under the surface for dRambo.
    the dRambo Facebook group is now 1.9k strong and is turning up
    on ModWiggler Forum and the Elektron Forum as a sequencer of choice.
    There's also some dRambo users who do a weekly live stream who use dRambo for sequencing and possibly effects.
    They are more modular and semi-modular focused however
    in this livestream you can see them using their ipads with dRambo on it.
    Their channel is called Pittsburgh Modular Synthesizers.

    https://www.youtube.com/live/ECkCu4NXw6U

    Benn Jordan is on YouTube but started out as a musician “The Flashbulb” - I like his whole stitch.

    Interesting about Facebook. I’m glad there’s a platform people for people to build a community for Drambo that’s best for them.

    I haven’t been on there since 2015? And then when I tried to get on there to find someone they mentioned I needed to upload my id to verify my account and figured forget it lol.

    Checking out this vid now!

  • edited October 28

    @Gravitas said:
    @offbrands
    Dude, I dropped Benn Jordon's name into Google and this was the first Youtube video that came up in the search.

    I'm currently listening to it whilst I type because
    I only got about a third of the way through watching it and
    the amount of toxicity he's had to face is insane.

    He was told that "he should be wiped off the planet" that he was an "influencer shill",
    and that he should "kill himself"....and that viewers have attacked him and others
    about gender, sexuality etc...

    Wow.

    I think that the iOS platform are doing rather well in that regards.

    Thank you mods.

    100%. Online in general can get dicey. Especially on YouTube. I’m already getting anxious just sharing that I like this dude and his videos thinking some negative thoughts from others are gonna be shared.

    That’s a good video! I think honestly might be the first one I saw too? If not definite the second.

    He went non-profit after that for his channel I believe. Does his own thing. Does research on sounds and has quite a few videos that are just fascinating.

    Some of note that I enjoy - just a quick glance at the channel. Considering he uploads semi frequently this is not much lol

    • (!!!)
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  • @offbrands said:

    Benn Jordan is on YouTube but started out as a musician “The Flashbulb” - I like his whole stitch.

    I've just commented about Benn Jordon.
    I'll check out his "The Flashbulb" and other stuff for sure.

    Interesting about Facebook. I’m glad there’s a platform people for people to build a community for Drambo that’s best for them.

    Yeah, it's going rather well on Facebook these days.
    I'm trying to encourage more interaction but users are shy it seems.
    However there are some good creations turning up.

    I haven’t been on there since 2015? And then when I tried to get on there to find someone they mentioned I needed to upload my id to verify my account and figured forget it lol.

    yeah, FB and their verification is well...let's leave it at that shall we. ;)

    Checking out this vid now!

    They've got some cool stuff on their channel especially if you're into Eurorack modular etc.

    Right then...

    It's late night early morning for me so see you all on the flipside, be safe, be cool, be musical. lololol

    Peace.

    ✌🏾

  • @Gravitas said:

    @offbrands said:

    Benn Jordan is on YouTube but started out as a musician “The Flashbulb” - I like his whole stitch.

    I've just commented about Benn Jordon.
    I'll check out his "The Flashbulb" and other stuff for sure.

    Interesting about Facebook. I’m glad there’s a platform people for people to build a community for Drambo that’s best for them.

    Yeah, it's going rather well on Facebook these days.
    I'm trying to encourage more interaction but users are shy it seems.
    However there are some good creations turning up.

    I haven’t been on there since 2015? And then when I tried to get on there to find someone they mentioned I needed to upload my id to verify my account and figured forget it lol.

    yeah, FB and their verification is well...let's leave it at that shall we. ;)

    Checking out this vid now!

    They've got some cool stuff on their channel especially if you're into Eurorack modular etc.

    Right then...

    It's late night early morning for me so see you all on the flipside, be safe, be cool, be musical. lololol

    Peace.

    ✌🏾

    🙏🏽🤘🏽✌🏽

  • edited October 28

    Benn's cool. Sonic knowledge is off the charts. I watch a lot of music youtube content and the stuff that keeps me watching are my fave producers making the genres I enjoy usually;

    Jon Makes Beats; takes the cake for me with straight to the point beats on a weekly basis.
    BirdBoss; great Koala beats.
    Ricky Tinez; fun educational hardware ramblings and funky grooves, some actually cool setups instead of the same things linked together all the time.
    Jade Wii; real cool nerdy beatmaker and synth lover, hippy jazzy boom bappy

    I think "iOS youtubers" don't make enough music and take too long to get to their points, in general. All of the above feature their faces and personalities up front next to their craft, not behind it.

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    Benn's cool. Sonic knowledge is off the charts. I watch a lot of music youtube content and the stuff that keeps me watching are my fave producers making the genres I enjoy usually;

    Jon Makes Beats; takes the cake for me with straight to the point beats on a weekly basis.
    BirdBoss; great Koala beats.
    Ricky Tinez; fun educational hardware ramblings and funky grooves, some actually cool setups instead of the same things linked together all the time.
    Jade Wii; real cool nerdy beatmaker and synth lover, hippy jazzy boom bappy

    I think "iOS youtubers" don't make enough music and take too long to get to their points, in general. All of the above feature their faces and personalities up front next to their craft, not behind it.

    Solid list. I’ll check it out. I really like Jon Makes Beats, but the only one on there I know.

    Red Means Recording is one I really dig too. They had a video on the history of Techno that just blew my mind recently. Also has a couple of live sessions. A very varied YouTuber. Not many iOS specific things.

  • @Gravitas said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @JGD
    This (from the Beepstreet Forum) I would happily add to a dubstep playlist

    I mean that’s impressive but at the same time I’d almost struggle to call that a track.

    Why?
    Not being confrontational simply asking for your honest opinion.

    It's some really good parts that don't really fit together. Like the middle section I'm grooving but then it's gone off in a different direction too soon when I could of lived in that for a while, there is like 5 hooky basslines when honestly it only needs the middle one.

  • @offbrands said:

    @MadeofWax said:
    It's weird after spending years avoiding social media to have a YouTube channel.
    I was the last person I know to finally make a Facebook account. I'm not really comfortable promoting myself.

    Sometimes just showing people a little bit of who you are is scary. I used to get stage fright every time my band played. Every time I was in a play in community theater I was scared to death. I feel that way every time I drop a video. What if everyone sees my flaws? What if they hate my video or my music?

    I'm not selling anything but it feels that way. I'm competing for attention but I'm really just wanting to share a little bit while I'm alive. I don't know that I have anything important to say but not everything has to be important. Sometimes just making someone forget their troubles for a minute or two is enough.

    I keep putting stuff out there to fight that nagging little voice that says, "You can't".

    I do it because it gives me a chance to work with some friends and hopefully draw some attention their way.

    In the end it might all be for nothing. But if it brings a little happiness or excitement to someone it's worth it. Seeing that people in China and Russia, Japan and Europe and other places all over the world have seen something I put together is an amazing reward.

    I do wish I could make a living with it but even if I managed to devote the time required Im not sure if what I have to offer would be able to get the views.

    What some of you have built on YouTube and other social media sites is impressive. I'm just beginning to get an idea of what it takes to have even a small amount of success. I'm so far away from being monetized the thought of it is just a fantasy.

    I hope that by surrounding myself with people more talented than I am that I can grow. I appreciate the opportunity this Forum provides. I'm glad to be able to learn from people who are where I would like to be someday. Maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't. But I never would have gotten this far if not for this Forum and the people willing to share their creativity and feedback.

    Apologies if I'm dragging the conversation off track. Just random thoughts, some self justification and a little appreciation for the people who are putting themselves out there.

    Beautifully expressed and I just wanted to thank you for sharing your vulnerability. I relate with this so much. Cheers

    +1, that was beautiful @MadeofWax, thank you for sharing it

  • @MadeofWax said:
    It's weird after spending years avoiding social media to have a YouTube channel.
    I was the last person I know to finally make a Facebook account. I'm not really comfortable promoting myself.

    Sometimes just showing people a little bit of who you are is scary. I used to get stage fright every time my band played. Every time I was in a play in community theater I was scared to death. I feel that way every time I drop a video. What if everyone sees my flaws? What if they hate my video or my music?

    I'm not selling anything but it feels that way. I'm competing for attention but I'm really just wanting to share a little bit while I'm alive. I don't know that I have anything important to say but not everything has to be important. Sometimes just making someone forget their troubles for a minute or two is enough.

    I keep putting stuff out there to fight that nagging little voice that says, "You can't".

    I do it because it gives me a chance to work with some friends and hopefully draw some attention their way.

    In the end it might all be for nothing. But if it brings a little happiness or excitement to someone it's worth it. Seeing that people in China and Russia, Japan and Europe and other places all over the world have seen something I put together is an amazing reward.

    I do wish I could make a living with it but even if I managed to devote the time required Im not sure if what I have to offer would be able to get the views.

    What some of you have built on YouTube and other social media sites is impressive. I'm just beginning to get an idea of what it takes to have even a small amount of success. I'm so far away from being monetized the thought of it is just a fantasy.

    I hope that by surrounding myself with people more talented than I am that I can grow. I appreciate the opportunity this Forum provides. I'm glad to be able to learn from people who are where I would like to be someday. Maybe I'll get there, maybe I won't. But I never would have gotten this far if not for this Forum and the people willing to share their creativity and feedback.

    Apologies if I'm dragging the conversation off track. Just random thoughts, some self justification and a little appreciation for the people who are putting themselves out there.

    I’ve been following this thread with my lurker hat on, and thinking about posting something very much like the above.

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    None of what I’ve been doing musically for the last decade (sporadically, but much more actively since 2020) would have happened without iOS/iPadOS - and without our YouTubers and this forum things would have been a lot slower. I make a point of pointing out in descriptions that my stuff is made using my iPad (on its own or with hardware instruments), and listing the apps used, hoping this encourages people to have a look at what’s available.

    Quite where the future lies WRT this platform I don’t know (it does feel like we’re at some kind of transition point at the moment), but I suspect it’s less people using their devices exclusively and more using them alongside other kit, be that hardware or desktop, or whatever. I have no hard data, but from my own observations I see iPads and iPhones popping up more often, particularly with modular peoples (TM Jakob!).

    I do wish Apple would do more to promote this stuff, though. So many people would like to try their hand at music making or recording and think they need to spend crazy money on desktop machines, DAWs, hardware etc, when they have an iPhone in their pocket and could try something like GarageBand for free and go from there if they find they like it.

  • While I think on, Benn Jordan recently said he hates Apple and no longer has any Apple kit, I’m pretty sure it was in a video about the Patreon thing. Which probably explains why he hasn’t done anything more about Drambo.

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    Benn's cool. Sonic knowledge is off the charts. I watch a lot of music youtube content and the stuff that keeps me watching are my fave producers making the genres I enjoy usually;

    Jon Makes Beats; takes the cake for me with straight to the point beats on a weekly basis.
    BirdBoss; great Koala beats.
    Ricky Tinez; fun educational hardware ramblings and funky grooves, some actually cool setups instead of the same things linked together all the time.
    Jade Wii; real cool nerdy beatmaker and synth lover, hippy jazzy boom bappy

    Thanks for the list.

    That's my Winters viewing sorted.

    I think "iOS youtubers" don't make enough music and take too long to get to their points, in general.

    I can understand why they don't make enough music.
    When your creativity is focused on learning new apps before they even come out,
    making the videos for said apps and then along comes another one to learn and then another,
    having to be careful about not alienating their fan base because of trolls
    and liasing between the Dev's and the users
    they don't have enough creativity left to create music that is meaningful.
    For instance you're not going to be able to write a love song when
    you mind is filled with technical manuals.
    That's a broad generalisation however to a certain degree it's true.
    In that regards that's why I like the freedom of my YouTube channel.
    I just put a camera up making sure the sound level is reasonable from my mixer and hit record.
    I don't have that many subscribers and if you like listening to long jams then way to go.
    My channel is more in line of being a diary than anything else.
    I also regularly practice writing haiku's so that my songwriting skills remain warm.
    Anyway the point being if the iOS YouTubers were to focus on creating music then there would be far less tutorials.

    All of the above feature their faces and personalities up front next to their craft, not behind it.

    Agreed, it would be good to be able to see their faces however the camera cannot have their faces
    and an iPad screen in shot at the same time and as mentioned in another thread recently
    some users need to be able to see the screen in case they miss an all important step for them.

  • @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    None of what I’ve been doing musically for the last decade (sporadically, but much more actively since 2020) would have happened without iOS/iPadOS - and without our YouTubers and this forum things would have been a lot slower. I make a point of pointing out in descriptions that my stuff is made using my iPad (on its own or with hardware instruments), and listing the apps used, hoping this encourages people to have a look at what’s available.

    That's a cool way of doing it.
    It encourages viewers to look up the apps and gear used.

    Quite where the future lies WRT this platform I don’t know (it does feel like we’re at some kind of transition point at the moment), but I suspect it’s less people using their devices exclusively and more using them alongside other kit, be that hardware or desktop, or whatever. I have no hard data, but from my own observations I see iPads and iPhones popping up more often, particularly with modular peoples (TM Jakob!).

    Agreed.

    I do wish Apple would do more to promote this stuff, though. So many people would like to try their hand at music making or recording and think they need to spend crazy money on desktop machines, DAWs, hardware etc, when they have an iPhone in their pocket and could try something like GarageBand for free and go from there if they find they like it.

    Agreed.
    However Apple is Apple.

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

  • @bygjohn said:
    While I think on, Benn Jordan recently said he hates Apple and no longer has any Apple kit, I’m pretty sure it was in a video about the Patreon thing. Which probably explains why he hasn’t done anything more about Drambo.

    Well that would explain it for sure.

  • edited October 28

    I think it's also important to note that I don't expect every channel in the iOS Youtube category, to make the same overarching content. I don't really expect the tutorial focused channels to show their faces, or to make finished tracks for example.

    What I should have said is that there's maybe not enough variety in the music video space that features iOS production.

    Picture in picture isn't the most simple thing to set up, nor is filming a screen, but I see nothing getting in the way of having a person and an iPad in the same shot. I think it's a matter of balancing the individuals workload and desires.

    Birdboss' setup is an ipad on a comfy chair/couch, with a camera pointed at him and a mic set up. Along with a screen recording of his Koala session. Nothing fancy, but easily able to feature the ipad and himself along the way to his finished beat.

  • @Goldiblockz said:
    I think it's also important to note that I don't expect every channel in the iOS Youtube category, to make the same overarching content. I don't really expect the tutorial focused channels to show their faces, or to make finished tracks for example.

    I got that, no worries. ;)

    What I should have said is that there's maybe not enough variety in the music video space that features iOS production.

    Agreed.

    Picture in picture isn't the most simple thing to set up, nor is filming a screen, but I see nothing getting in the way of having a person and an iPad in the same shot. I think it's a matter of balancing the individuals workload and desires.

    There is that.
    I've been doing stuff using one phone for the visuals when doing live jams
    and I experimented with different angles and aspect ratios as I like the anamorphic look
    and got fed up in the end so I simply plunked it on the corner of the table to capture the gear
    whilst I was doing whatever I was doing.
    The sound was more important for me rather than what I was doing.
    However that's me.
    For iOS Youtuber's obviously it's more important for the viewers to see the screen
    when doing tutorials and that's when picture in picture is useful when doing performances.
    That's when the balance of seeing the performer and screen at the same time comes into play.
    True Cuckoo used a mirror whilst jamming on occassion which I thought was rather cool.

    Birdboss' setup is an ipad on a comfy chair/couch, with a camera pointed at him and a mic set up. Along with a screen recording of his Koala session. Nothing fancy, but easily able to feature the ipad and himself along the way to his finished beat.

    I'll have a look as soon as I get chance.

  • @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

  • @bygjohn said:
    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    Why I'm still here.
    I'm never sick of saying how much money I save over desktop, like it's a midwestern garage sale.
    The glee from the vast capabilities is just a cherry on top.

  • @bygjohn said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    I think people are aware though. Look at what’s available for free that will run on a decade old desktop for a dose of reality.

  • @bygjohn said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    The first track that caught my eye was "Summer rain (is never far away)
    Stated like a true Brit. :smiley:
    I said as much in a conversation recently.
    lolololol.

    Back on track,...
    Sonically some really nice stuff.
    Quality soounding for the genre.
    It's the stuff I would listen to playing in the ground whilst I do other things.

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    I'm currently working on a remix (voluntarily)
    I downloaded an acapella this afternoon which was put out by an artist for remixing just to get my chops back up.
    I'll share it as soon as and yes, wholeheartedly agreed in regards to people don't know this stuff is possible.
    I waa flabbergasted when I first heard the capabilities of an iPad.
    Bear in mind I started off on an Atari STFM which I still have on a shelf.
    When I started producing professionally I was using self built PC's with Cubase Audio
    which just about managed to play back 24 tracks of audio with a couple of effects before keeling over.
    Side chaining wasn't even possible back then, that was for Pro-tools and when I used Pro-tools for the first time
    side chaining crashed it within three days and that was on a £100000 system.
    I can do the same and more with my aged Air 3 let alone when I get my hands on an iPad Pro m4.
    So yes, in conclusion the more of us who say that is possible the more it will attract creatives.

  • @Goldiblockz said:

    @bygjohn said:
    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    Why I'm still here.

    Agreed.

    I'm never sick of saying how much money I save over desktop, like it's a midwestern garage sale.

    Straight talk, my home was burgled just before lockdown,
    I lost so much.
    Tracks, 5000 images of computer generated art, laptops, my first iPad(which had over 300 tracks ready to go)
    my favourite guitar (kmt cha) the list goes on which cost a fortune because I had built it up over 18 years
    and I sat there and decided f!!k it either I quit or I start again and then it occurred to me
    use iPads so that's what I did and at a fraction of the cost I'm back up to almost full production quality.
    I've mentioned a new ipad earlier because it's on my mind I'm going to get a really powerul iPad
    and that will sustain me for the next five years enough time to get what I need done.
    Creating stems on the go with certain Artists I have in mind and then releasing said tracks.

    The glee from the vast capabilities is just a cherry on top.

    Yeah, agreed.

    Rubs hands together.
    Precious, my precious....
    Lolololol

  • @BroCoast said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    I think people are aware though. Look at what’s available for free that will run on a decade old desktop for a dose of reality.

    Still many would rather trust a decade old desktop than an iPad.
    iPad's still have the stigma of being a child's toy.

  • @bygjohn

    I've liked and subscribed your channel.

  • edited October 30

    These three tracks were made on my iPad Air 2 (that was stolen pre Lockdown) using Beatmaker 3.

    The final mastering was done in Reaper.

    https://on.soundcloud.com/qUzihZuemBnVP9cg7

    https://on.soundcloud.com/W8f14NRt32bDhHhv5

    https://on.soundcloud.com/wASiY3Wdfp3NZyaz9

    The first two were for BM3 challenges and the last one was just for fun.

  • This is something to always remember.

    When you send in a track for someone to listen to
    they are not going to ask you if you recorded it in
    Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools or on a dictaphone (well the latter is an exaggeration),
    they are going to say either "let's work together" or "I'll call you".

    It does matter what tools you use however we are all looking at desktop quality apps
    on something that can either fit in the palm of your hand or is the size of a hardback book.

    There is a reason why a lot of the small to mid range studios started shutting down.

    Focus on the result and learn the tools you need for that result and other than that have fun with the challenge. ;)

  • @Gravitas said:
    This is something to always remember.

    When you send in a track for someone to listen to
    they are not going to ask you if you recorded it in
    Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools or on a dictaphone (well the latter is an exaggeration),
    they are going to say either "let's work together" or "I'll call you".

    It does matter what tools you use however we are all looking at desktop quality apps
    on something that can either fit in the palm of your hand or is the size of a hardback book.

    There is a reason why a lot of the small to mid range studios started shutting down.

    Focus on the result and learn the tools you need for that result and other than that have fun with the challenge. ;)

    Well said!

  • edited October 30

    @Gravitas said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    I think people are aware though. Look at what’s available for free that will run on a decade old desktop for a dose of reality.

    Still many would rather trust a decade old desktop than an iPad.
    iPad's still have the stigma of being a child's toy.

    No doubt you’re right about this but I’ve never understood why? An iPad, and the apps available for it, are more capable than a desktop from 20 years ago (or 10, or 5…depending on iPad model i guess) but no one would suggest that there weren’t great tracks made on the desktops of 20 years ago so i just don’t get it when people get a bit sniffy about iPads for music making.

    Combined with an audio interface, there’s precious little you can’t do with an iPad.

    As you say in a later post, no one listening to the music made could care less what platform it’s been made on. It’s just tech snobbery as far as i can see.

    Having said that, some iOS users sometimes get a bit sniffy about the possibilities of making music on Android too! Yes, iOS is definitely better for music making but it’s amazing what you can do on Android as well.

  • @Robin2 said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @BroCoast said:

    @bygjohn said:

    @Gravitas said:

    @bygjohn said:

    Having gone off on what many would regard as a very weird musical tack, I was amazed that even a small number of people actually appreciate some of my stuff, sometimes in unexpected places.

    Wierd musical tack?
    Sounds intriguing.

    https://youtube.com/@bygjohnuk will give you a flavour, if you’re interested. No biggie if not!

    This is the angle I'm looking at.
    Affordable desktop quality apps at a fraction of the cost.
    At the very least being able to record ideas and concepts for later use in the studio.

    I really think it’s important for us (collectively) to keep raising awareness of this. So many people just have no idea this stuff is possible.

    I think people are aware though. Look at what’s available for free that will run on a decade old desktop for a dose of reality.

    Still many would rather trust a decade old desktop than an iPad.
    iPad's still have the stigma of being a child's toy.

    No doubt you’re right about this but I’ve never understood why? An iPad, and the apps available for it, are more capable than a desktop from 20 years ago (or 10, or 5…depending on iPad model i guess) but no one would suggest that there weren’t great tracks made on the desktops of 20 years ago so i just don’t get it when people get a bit sniffy about iPads for music making.

    Combined with an audio interface, there’s precious little you can’t do with an iPad.

    As you say in a later post, no one listening to the music made could care less what platform it’s been made on. It’s just tech snobbery as far as i can see.

    Having said that, some iOS users sometimes get a bit sniffy about the possibilities of making music on Android too! Yes, iOS is definitely better for music making but it’s amazing what you can do on Android as well.

    People are slow to adapt. This is why I always recommend aiming for the newer audiences who are more open to change.

    @offbrands said:

    @Gravitas said:
    This is something to always remember.

    When you send in a track for someone to listen to
    they are not going to ask you if you recorded it in
    Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools or on a dictaphone (well the latter is an exaggeration),
    they are going to say either "let's work together" or "I'll call you".

    It does matter what tools you use however we are all looking at desktop quality apps
    on something that can either fit in the palm of your hand or is the size of a hardback book.

    There is a reason why a lot of the small to mid range studios started shutting down.

    Focus on the result and learn the tools you need for that result and other than that have fun with the challenge. ;)

    Well said!

    Agreed. Great post, @Gravitas

  • @Robin2 said:

    No doubt you’re right about this but I’ve never understood why? An iPad, and the apps available for it, are more capable than a desktop from 20 years ago (or 10, or 5…depending on iPad model i guess) but no one would suggest that there weren’t great tracks made on the desktops of 20 years ago so i just don’t get it when people get a bit sniffy about iPads for music making.

    Simply put...

    The have and have not's.

    Mac vs PC.
    iPhone vs Android.

    and from the perspective of the companies that make this products it drives up sales.

    Combined with an audio interface, there’s precious little you can’t do with an iPad.

    Wholeheartedly agreed.

    As you say in a later post, no one listening to the music made could care less what platform it’s been made on. It’s just tech snobbery as far as i can see.

    Agreed.

    Having said that, some iOS users sometimes get a bit sniffy about the possibilities of making music on Android too! Yes, iOS is definitely better for music making but it’s amazing what you can do on Android as well.

    Which is tech snobbery at play again. :)

    I got an Google Pixel 5 on advice from @seonnthaproducer and the first thing
    I checked was if you can connect up a usb audio interface to it.
    You can so therefore the audio quaility is the same when using a usb audio interface.
    The only thing missing is the swathe of apps available on the iOS platform.

  • @offbrands said:

    @Gravitas said:
    This is something to always remember.

    When you send in a track for someone to listen to
    they are not going to ask you if you recorded it in
    Cubase, Logic, Pro-Tools or on a dictaphone (well the latter is an exaggeration),
    they are going to say either "let's work together" or "I'll call you".

    It does matter what tools you use however we are all looking at desktop quality apps
    on something that can either fit in the palm of your hand or is the size of a hardback book.

    There is a reason why a lot of the small to mid range studios started shutting down.

    Focus on the result and learn the tools you need for that result and other than that have fun with the challenge. ;)

    Well said!

    🙏🏾

  • In keeping with the capabilities of an iPad and an aged Air3 at that.

    I started this yesterday afternoon.

    It's a rough cut for sure and the editing and mix is far from finished
    however I do believe it's a good example of what an iPad can do right now.

    dRambo for drum sequencing using samples, Aurelius mono synth and NeoSouls Keys,
    Loopy Pro for guitar parts, Cubasis 3 for vocal playback and MixBox for effects processing.
    Brusfri and Toneboosters Eq were used to clean up the guitar sound.
    Delaney Jane's vocals were a free download available on Soundcloud.

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