iOS Youtubers and the iOS platform

seonnthaproducer

@BroCoast said:

@Robin2 said:
Yeah, a lot of fair points here @wim. A lot comes down to what we’re personally used to of course, for all of us. For example, I learnt how to use a piano roll sequencer on a touchscreen with an active stylus; as a result, the notion of using a piano roll on a desktop using a mouse is just a creativity killer for me. A touchscreen somehow just feels like a creative space to me in a way that a desktop keyboard, mouse and monitor doesn’t.

Yeah, the iPad has always felt a bit better creatively for me.

Where it falls over is when things are connected to it. What I mean is, an iPad with a pencil and some good wireless earphones is a sleek and minimal setup. Once you have an audio interface, a controller etc. all of that is lost.

Honestly, yeah. I admire the simplicity of it. It’s one reason I’m in favour of wireless keyboards.
But it’s still not there yet.

squeals

@Robin2 sometimes 20 years ago great music was still made on really old computers. Fatboy famously using an Atari near enough forever. Howie B is another who comes to mind, he held on to his Atari until moving it around became too much hassle. It’s why I’ve always thought it never mattered as much as everyone made out.

Gravitas

@squeals said:
@Robin2 sometimes 20 years ago great music was still made on really old computers. Fatboy famously using an Atari near enough forever. Howie B is another who comes to mind, he held on to his Atari until moving it around became too much hassle. It’s why I’ve always thought it never mattered as much as everyone made out.

I still have my Atari STE and Atari Falcon the latter of which was for Cubase Audio.
If it works don't fix it and the focus is on making great music.
Before computers we had instruments.

Robin2

@squeals said:
@Robin2 sometimes 20 years ago great music was still made on really old computers. Fatboy famously using an Atari near enough forever. Howie B is another who comes to mind, he held on to his Atari until moving it around became too much hassle. It’s why I’ve always thought it never mattered as much as everyone made out.

Yes, completely agree (hopefully nothing i wrote implied otherwise?). These things categorically do not matter…unless you’re a manufacturer trying to convince everyone that they need the latest and greatest kit!

seonnthaproducer

Yeah, it’s weird how this resonated with me.

@Gravitas said:

@squeals said:
@Robin2 sometimes 20 years ago great music was still made on really old computers. Fatboy famously using an Atari near enough forever. Howie B is another who comes to mind, he held on to his Atari until moving it around became too much hassle. It’s why I’ve always thought it never mattered as much as everyone made out.

I still have my Atari STE and Atari Falcon the latter of which was for Cubase Audio.
If it works don't fix it and the focus is on making great music.
Before computers we had instruments.

I thought I needed a new iPad. Or a new phone. Or the new Mac Mini M4. Or a new gadget. But talking to Matthew and a few others reminded me that:

I don’t need much to start. Work with what you have now.

But I think that’s why a lot of people aren’t as eager to try new tools. Why break what isn’t broken? A few years ago, I had the chance to chat with Shaun Frank (who produced Closer with the Chainsmokers) and I showed him the iPad and how I could make some of his iconic sounds.

He thought it was really cool, and he liked that new producers can use the tools he has. But it didn’t take away from his love of his ARP Odyssei (the actual synth he owned). And there’s something about playing with the hardware version of a tool that works so well.

squeals

Yip, it’s absolutely about what works for you.
There have been times where the iPad I’m using struggles to do what I need it to. I’ve found workarounds but the amount of time I’ve wasted takes me out of the moment. As life’s got more complex, time to do what I want is in short supply. So probably a good year after I should have I upgraded.
I still use the old iPad though. Especially for recording instruments. Most of the shaping and fx go in at source and it works well for that, it can live in my pedal case and because it’s dedicated to that it works better cos it’s pretty bare bones.
(I got you @Robin2, no worries.)

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Gravitas

@offbrands said:
I don’t know if anyone posted this yet (and if so, apologies) but I think it’s extraordinarily relevant to the conversation. It’s not directly about iOS but I find often times conversations about A or B can be supplemented with C. So hopefully this is something of value to anyone else. I sure thought it was!

This video as well is really relevant. Pre apologies if it’s been shared already!

Mentions iPhone a couple times (one time in a very humbling/surprising way) but the overall message is just make the art you want to within the means you have.

We are fortuitous in that we can create Art and Music from devices the size of our palms.
I appreciate that every day.
Yes, I would love to have a brand new iPad and I'm patiently
waiting for that however it doesn't stop me from creating.

In the end, talk is talk, the game is the game, creatives should be urged to create, have fun with it, none of us will get out of this alive. Might as well enjoy it. 🤘🏽🙏🏽

Agreed.

Enjoy it every step of the way.

edit: I read, converse, and listen to a lot of super talented people on this forum and I’m stoked to have this space to do so. It’s meant a lot to me the past year as I work through my creative process and learning to share again. Can’t mention how appreciative I am, truly.

It can be encouraging being with fellow creatives.
There is a thing called "performance anxiety" which extends to anxiety of sharing a finished piece.
Will your audience like it, will they appreciate the effort put in etc.
Over coming that anxiety is half of the battle for creatives.

Won’t tag everyone on this thread but really enjoyed reading and conversing with the lot of you. Cheers!

It certainly is a very interesting conversation.

🙏🏾

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Gravitas

@offbrands said:

@Gravitas said:

@offbrands said:
I don’t know if anyone posted this yet (and if so, apologies) but I think it’s extraordinarily relevant to the conversation. It’s not directly about iOS but I find often times conversations about A or B can be supplemented with C. So hopefully this is something of value to anyone else. I sure thought it was!

This video as well is really relevant. Pre apologies if it’s been shared already!

Mentions iPhone a couple times (one time in a very humbling/surprising way) but the overall message is just make the art you want to within the means you have.

We are fortuitous in that we can create Art and Music from devices the size of our palms.
I appreciate that every day.
Yes, I would love to have a brand new iPad and I'm patiently
waiting for that however it doesn't stop me from creating.

In the end, talk is talk, the game is the game, creatives should be urged to create, have fun with it, none of us will get out of this alive. Might as well enjoy it. 🤘🏽🙏🏽

Agreed.

Enjoy it every step of the way.

edit: I read, converse, and listen to a lot of super talented people on this forum and I’m stoked to have this space to do so. It’s meant a lot to me the past year as I work through my creative process and learning to share again. Can’t mention how appreciative I am, truly.

It can be encouraging being with fellow creatives.
There is a thing called "performance anxiety" which extends to anxiety of sharing a finished piece.
Will your audience like it, will they appreciate the effort put in etc.
Over coming that anxiety is half of the battle for creatives.

Won’t tag everyone on this thread but really enjoyed reading and conversing with the lot of you. Cheers!

It certainly is a very interesting conversation.

🙏🏾

Cheers @Gravitas - Appreciate your response and conversations a ton. 🤘🏽

Likewise.

🙏🏾

Gravitas

@yellow_eyez said:
Desktops and iPad are equally powerful now. The m series iPad can do whatever the desktop counterpart can.

The difference lies in two things:
Dev optimization of coding
Apples own allowance of optimization (not throttling )

Iow

DEVS need to learn how to optimize their coding for the most efficient instruction use etc silicon is fairly new, and only 2 years out for iPad…so it’ll take another 2-3 years to for devs to figure out how to optimize their own software

The dev's are already on this.
For instance @giku_beepstreet and @Michael's apps are perfect examples of honed code.
dRambo is 128.5 mb and the bulk of that is the factory samples and Loopy Pro is only 32.5 MB.
Not gigbytes, megabytes.
That is efficient coding.
Saying that, most of the iOS apps are very efficient because idevices have
such small physical memories and most of that is for the OS.
dRambo can already run on M series chips, ever since the beginning
and Loopy Pro is now being ported across to Silicon as well.
Though he is regarded by many as the black sheep Jens Guell's apps can also run on Silicon.
Eventually the rest of the iOS dev's will make that leap.
More tech savy people can correct or add to this.

Secondly Apple has to be more open - with the file system and with their tolerance for devs to have access to the same API Apple has proprietary access to

There is a for and against this.
iPhones and ipads are primarily personal communication devices.
Privacy is very important for many and one rogue app
can wreck havoc with the data stored on our idevices
including passwords, bank details and other personal stuff.
iDevices weren't designed for creativity, they were initially designed for communication
and I think the focus of Apple is that security.
(well on the surface considering they can and do erase files that they think are unimportant)
Dev's are learning how to get around the file system limitations to open up
the file system for their apps which has started happening over the past two years.
It's made working between apps much, much easier.

Apple needs to be more transparent and devs need to catch up lol

I think it's the other way around.
The Dev's are way ahead of the curve.

Is this relevant ? Gravitas?

It is certainly relevant.

We need to know the capabilites of our idevices and any of our tech actually.
The more we as users know the easier it becomes for the dev's and for the community at large.

wim

@yellow_eyez said:
DEVS need to learn how to optimize their coding for the most efficient instruction use etc silicon is fairly new, and only 2 years out for iPad…so it’ll take another 2-3 years to for devs to figure out how to optimize their own software

That's not quite accurate. Developers almost never code directly for any underlying architecture. That's the operating system's job. Developers virtually always make api calls to the libraries provided by the operating system. When they compile the program, the low level code is generated by the compiler, not the developer. (There are very rare exceptions to this where developers resort to assembly language. That almost never happens these days.)

When Apple introduces new libraries specific to a new architecture, or new features such as multi-threaded audio processing support, that's what can take some time to catch up with.

No app is suffering from performance due to not being coded to Apple Silicon specific instruction sets. A few operating system specific features maybe, but not processor architecture.

Sorry if that's being too pedantic. I can't help myself. 🙄

Secondly Apple has to be more open - with the file system and with their tolerance for devs to have access to the same API Apple has proprietary access to

The only proprietary api I'm aware of where that's a factor is the one they're using to enable multiple audio interface support.

Setting aside my fact-bitchiness ...

IMO the most significant factor is the mobile form factor. It's just hard as hell to provide a convenient way of performing complex tasks on such a small screen and a touch interface. And the dorky iOS file system that hasn't even caught up to Windows 95 yet. And the lack of multiple interface support. And the economics for developers. And the limitations of the App Store. And the ludicrous documentation on the AUv3 side. And the ridiculous cost of internal storage coupled with lousy external storage device support. And dongleitis.

uh ... ok that's a lot now that I think of it.

I think AR will be the ultimate liberator for the form factor once it evolves beyond these early stages.

Gravitas

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
DEVS need to learn how to optimize their coding for the most efficient instruction use etc silicon is fairly new, and only 2 years out for iPad…so it’ll take another 2-3 years to for devs to figure out how to optimize their own software

That's not quite accurate. Developers almost never code directly for any underlying architecture. That's the operating system's job. Developers virtually always make api calls to the libraries provided by the operating system. When they compile the program, the low level code is generated by the compiler, not the developer. (There are very rare exceptions to this where developers resort to assembly language. That almost never happens these days.)

Thanks for clarifying this.

For the record Giku writes in assembly language.

When Apple introduces new libraries specific to a new architecture, or new features such as multi-threaded audio processing support, that's what can take some time to catch up with.

We all notice this.

No app is suffering from performance due to not being coded to Apple Silicon specific instruction sets. A few operating system specific features maybe, but not processor architecture.

Sorry if that's being too pedantic. I can't help myself. 🙄

Be pedantic, this is important for all of us.

Secondly Apple has to be more open - with the file system and with their tolerance for devs to have access to the same API Apple has proprietary access to

The only proprietary api I'm aware of where that's a factor is the one they're using to enable multiple audio interface support.

Setting aside my fact-bitchiness ...

IMO the most significant factor is the mobile form factor. It's just hard as hell to provide a convenient way of performing complex tasks on such a small screen and a touch interface. And the dorky iOS file system that hasn't even caught up to Windows 95 yet. And the lack of multiple interface support. And the economics for developers. And the limitations of the App Store. And the ludicrous documentation on the AUv3 side. And the ridiculous cost of internal storage coupled with lousy external storage device support. And dongleitis.

uh ... ok that's a lot now that I think of it.

Let it all out because we are all experiencing the same thing from different perspectives.

I think AR will be the ultimate liberator for the form factor once it evolves beyond these early stages.

What is "AR"?

On a positive I've decided to hunt down some dance floor classic acapellas.
The downside is that I have to get in touch with various record companies
for clearance if I decide to release them commercially
(remixing for educational purposes can only go so far)
however my iPad is banging out some wicked grooves.
Currently remixing Calvin Harris' "How Deep is Your Love" using dRambo+Loopy Pro+Cubasis 3
which is almost finished and I've got another four lined up quite nicely.

Anyway....

The more we know about the limitations of our iDevices the more we can create
because we can focus less on the issues and more on what they can do.

Gravitas

@Gravitas said:

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:
DEVS need to learn how to optimize their coding for the most efficient instruction use etc silicon is fairly new, and only 2 years out for iPad…so it’ll take another 2-3 years to for devs to figure out how to optimize their own software

That's not quite accurate. Developers almost never code directly for any underlying architecture. That's the operating system's job. Developers virtually always make api calls to the libraries provided by the operating system. When they compile the program, the low level code is generated by the compiler, not the developer. (There are very rare exceptions to this where developers resort to assembly language. That almost never happens these days.)

Thanks for clarifying this.

For the record Giku writes in assembly language.

>

Just to clarify, I'm sure you don't mean that the app as a whole is written in assembly language. I also remember that he does that, but that's only for very small and specific high-performance parts.

I was under the impression that he did.
It's been mentioned before on the Beepstreet Forum however you
could be absolutely right in that it's for very small high performance stuff.

I think AR will be the ultimate liberator for the form factor once it evolves beyond these early stages.

What is "AR"?

Augmented Reality. Like the Vision Pro demos of music apps spread out across your living room. Basically unlimited room to spread out no matter what device you're using. I'm looking forward to that some day when the form factor and gesturing capabilities get better.

Ahhh thanks for clarifying.

I demo'd the Vision Pro this Summer together with my son.
My jaw dropped.
I haven't been impressed with a piece of tech since
I first used an Atari and a sound module in S.A.E. (School of Audio Engineering)
on a night shift recording playing for some students when I was 20 years old.
I used read to a lot of sci-fi when I was growing up, a lot...

Errmmm, I think you edited my comment rather than posted a new one.

wim

@Gravitas said:
Errmmm, I think you edited my comment rather than posted a new one.

Oh jeez. Sorry, I was afraid I was gonna accidentally do that some time. Let me see if I can fix that.

Gravitas

@wim said:

@Gravitas said:
Errmmm, I think you edited my comment rather than posted a new one.

Oh jeez. Sorry, I was afraid I was gonna accidentally do that some time. Let me see if I can fix that.

No worries.
lololol.

I was a bit bemused at first.

wim

I was able to restore the original. Sorry about that. 😂

Gravitas

@yellow_eyez said:

@wim said:
I was able to restore the original. Sorry about that. 😂

It’s one thing to be overly pedantic - but to “correct” someone’s messages

Idk man - these new mods are a little too aggressive ! Lmao

Lololololol....

😂

wim

@yellow_eyez said:

@wim said:
I was able to restore the original. Sorry about that. 😂

It’s one thing to be overly pedantic - but to “correct” someone’s messages

Idk man - these new mods are a little too aggressive ! Lmao

Flagged.

Gravitas

@wim said:

@yellow_eyez said:

@wim said:
I was able to restore the original. Sorry about that. 😂

It’s one thing to be overly pedantic - but to “correct” someone’s messages

Idk man - these new mods are a little too aggressive ! Lmao

Flagged.

We're trying to be all serious here and the both of you are just cracking me up with laughter.

Keep 'em coming...

Lolololol

Gravitas

Here's a couple of ideas.

How about a regular playlist of selected iOS creatives?
Much like a Radio chart but with the emphasis on improving
or suggesting different ideas from the listeners or the person hosting the tracks

and how about a live stream via Sonobus (listening only)
or even YouTube (both visuals and audio) showing
what's going in a creatives space at that precise time?
So less chat more music.

Viewers can support the creatives and host via Patreon, Ko-Fi or Paypal direct.

The creative/s could have a microphone up so that they
can explain what they are doing in real time or
there could be a Q&A afterwards so that the creative
doesn't lose the creative flow or viewers can just waltz in and enjoy listening.

Not tutorials per se.

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Gravitas

@offbrands said:

@Gravitas said:
Here's a couple of ideas.

How about a regular playlist of selected iOS creatives?
Much like a Radio chart but with the emphasis on improving
or suggesting different ideas from the listeners or the person hosting the tracks

and how about a live stream via Sonobus (listening only)
or even YouTube (both visuals and audio) showing
what's going in a creatives space at that precise time?
So less chat more music.

Viewers can support the creatives and host via Patreon, Ko-Fi or Paypal direct.

The creative/s could have a microphone up so that they
can explain what they are doing in real time or
there could be a Q&A afterwards so that the creative
doesn't lose the creative flow or viewers can just waltz in and enjoy listening.

Not tutorials per se.

Creative ideas! Really dig this.
I would support anyone from this community wanting to do this.

Maybe a monthly live steam? Just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
Promote it out to start in next month or the new year
Same date each month. Hang and share? No emphasis on chat like you said, but easier for people to join or make plans.

I was thinking about doing this very soon as in this month.

Either way if you need/want any help wit this, I got you. My drambo wiki idea has taken it's own life so I have free time! lol

Cool.

I'll definitely take you up on this.

Thank you.

Awesome.

Gravitas

Same wavelength.

From @thesoundtestroom

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Gravitas

@offbrands said:

@Gravitas said:

@offbrands said:

@Gravitas said:
Here's a couple of ideas.

How about a regular playlist of selected iOS creatives?
Much like a Radio chart but with the emphasis on improving
or suggesting different ideas from the listeners or the person hosting the tracks

and how about a live stream via Sonobus (listening only)
or even YouTube (both visuals and audio) showing
what's going in a creatives space at that precise time?
So less chat more music.

Viewers can support the creatives and host via Patreon, Ko-Fi or Paypal direct.

The creative/s could have a microphone up so that they
can explain what they are doing in real time or
there could be a Q&A afterwards so that the creative
doesn't lose the creative flow or viewers can just waltz in and enjoy listening.

Not tutorials per se.

Creative ideas! Really dig this.
I would support anyone from this community wanting to do this.

Maybe a monthly live steam? Just throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
Promote it out to start in next month or the new year
Same date each month. Hang and share? No emphasis on chat like you said, but easier for people to join or make plans.

I was thinking about doing this very soon as in this month.

Either way if you need/want any help wit this, I got you. My drambo wiki idea has taken it's own life so I have free time! lol

Cool.

I'll definitely take you up on this.

Thank you.

Awesome.

🎛️🎧📻🔈🔊🔉🎚️🎤🎼

Couldn’t pick one so the lot will do 😅🤘🏽🙏🏽

🤘🏾🙏🏾🤘🏾

Gravitas

Quick update.

I'm about here right now.

It's a basic remix of John Summit feat Echoes "Human".

Screen recording.

dRambo+Cubasis 3 with Loopy Pro
waiting on standby for guitar parts if neccessary.
dRambo is running 10 channels of samples and loops
Aurelius mono synth on arps and
Behringer Crave on bass duties routed in via my Zoom U-44.
dRambo, MixBox, Eventide's Blackhole and Other Desert Cities are providing the effects.
Cubasis 3 is sending cc messages to dRambo for Pattern changes.

A version of the Arp patch can be found here via Patchstorage.com

https://patchstorage.com/promono-arp/

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Gravitas

@offbrands said:

Well done!

Thank you.

🙏🏾

I haven’t heard the original but I’ll check it out. I keep wanting to remix some songs I like but never get around to it. Good sign to change that I imagine.

Remixing songs that you've heard and enjoyed is a lot of fun.
Agreed, it's good sign to change that.

Cheers!

No problem.

Gravitas

Here's another one.

Back soon.