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Out Now: Korg iM1 Synthesizer for iPad (w/ Gadget integration)

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  • I hear ya @monzo. I just bought both the expansion packs and, in the spirit of transparency, at least 80% of the presets are truly awful. But the remainder show some real potential, even without too much contorting. There are a good few useful sounding drum kits too. But I've just found the orchestral drum kit and might just have to spend the rest of the evening riffing on the original A-team and Joe 90 theme tunes..

    @JohnnyGoodyear I understand your point about favouriting now I too have an imperial ton of presets.

  • edited May 2015

    I'm working on a 'song of the month' track in Gadget at the moment. Added a couple of tracks just now, then added an extra Bilbao gadget and CRASH. Opened it back up and the work I'd added over the previous half an hour was lost.

    This, is what I used to get in my iPad 2, and this is why it hasn't got another £25 of my cash.

    If there's one thing I hate, more than anything other on the iPad it's the completely ineffective 'autosave'.

    @Jocphone said:
    in the spirit of transparency, at least 80% of the presets are truly awful

    And that one

  • edited May 2015

    @monzo

    Whenever I listen to the track back in the main view, while its playing, I save. It's just total habit now.

    I'm surprised, assuming you'd saved the track at least once, that it didn't auto save. It normally seems to now in gadget every 10 mins or so.

  • edited May 2015

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
    @monzo

    Whenever I listen to the track back in the main view, while its playing, I save. It's just total habit now.

    I'm surprised, assuming you'd saved the track at least once, that it didn't auto save. It normally seems to now in gadget every 10 mins or so.

    Nah, this was an entirely transparent ruse to put his SOTMC submission back another month :)

    Actually, all cruel joking to one side, I HATE losing unsaved work more than anything. It's that special spot where my self-loathing ("It's all shit! No wonder my mum sad I was a waste of womb space...") and my narcissism ("It was so brilliant, better than anything, and now it's gone forever...") fizz together into perfect blackness.

  • @Jocphone said:
    No apology necessary supadom. I was talking about the massively over-distorted sound in the demo. monzo asked me if I had bought iM1 for use with Gadget and that he thought it sounded a bit 'tinkly' so I posted that to show that you could get more brutal sounds from it should you so wish.

    Ok, I get it now. Pitfalls of picking and choosing posts out of context.

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 A question: I know you don't seem overly-excited about the midi-export, but for those of us who don't use midi much, in what way do you see this perhaps being used and/or useful?

  • You didn't ask me, but I'd stopped using Gadget, until this weekend, because of the lack of midi export. I like to be able to take a midi file into Cubasis to be able to do a lot more editing than I feel comfortable doing in Gadget and to use other synths, then finally, take it to the desktop to work with VST instruments that I like and do even more editing. I don't play very well, so editing is very important to me! }:^)

  • @rocco I appreciate your answer/insight. I am a lapsed Cubasis user, and I never loved their piano roll so much, but are there other aspects you find useful as regards getting the notes into it (when it comes to editing)? Interested to know. I do like composing (get me) in Gadget, and am happy they've added copy/paste, but the UNDO lack kills me. Hmmm. Maybe I just answered my own question... :)

  • MIDI export might also be nice for heavy BM2 users, given BM2's MIDI-hub potential, bulk importing and sheer number of places to slot and trigger samples.

    Adding to @rocco's point about VSTs, Gadget MIDI export is nice complement to its Ableton export, which just deals in audio clips.

    Maybe Auria Pro will bring more reasons to want to export MIDI, but G's MIDI editing, automation and sounds are pleasant and varied enough that you really need a good reason to bother with intra-iOS MIDI swap.

  • @parallaxobject said:

    Maybe Auria Pro will bring more reasons to want to export MIDI, but G's MIDI editing, automation and sounds are pleasant and varied enough that you really need a good reason to bother with intra-iOS MIDI swap.

    While living in fear of missing out, this is about the sum of me currently on this one...

  • edited May 2015

    When it comes to Cubasis, I'm not in love with the MIDI note editing there, either, but on iOS, at the moment, it comes closest to the non-linear-editing environment that I feel most comfortable in for turning raw ideas into something more.

    With that said, when I got Gadget, I had the most productive, pure music creation burst of my life. It's a great way to quickly realize ideas, and it's just plain fun. What stopped me cold was that when I was done in Gadget, and unable to export MIDI to other environments, I'd end up with, what my daughter called, "bad 80s midifile.fm." This is because I find myself trying to do horn sections and strings, etc. that just didn't sound right with the gadgets that were available. Until...

    iM1, Darwin and MIDI export came along. I'm the type of person that ROMplers were made for, not because I like "dated" sounds, but because I often like to approximate the sounds of real instruments for a lot of things. After installing iM1, with expansions, and loading them into Gadget, I found myself going through tracks that I'd made with Marseille, Glasgow and Phoenix, and replacing them with iM1 instruments... and I had an irrepressible smile on my face the whole time! This gets me to a closer mockup of what I want to hear, and then, eventually, I'll take them to the desktop and refine them some more...or maybe not!

    The one drawback that I've found using Darwin, though, is that I'm a visual person and love to see all the colorful little Gadget icons lined up atop their little channel strips, and at the moment, I see a couple little Londons and such followed by a monotonous line of grey and green Darwins!

    RE: Auria Pro -- I'm eagerly awaiting that one, as well, since I had a chance to see it at NAMM and found the Humanize feature (among so many others) in the MIDI menu!

  • @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    monzo

    Whenever I listen to the track back in the main view, while its playing, I save. It's just total habit now.

    I'm surprised, assuming you'd saved the track at least once, that it didn't auto save. It normally seems to now in gadget every 10 mins or so.

    It's actually quit about four times since the update, but this was the first time it happened while I was working. I'll have to keep saving, but if this is a return to Bad Gadget I'll have to go back to my old mangling ways.

  • Yeah i'm getting crashes too since the last update :( I'm on the air 2 ios 8.3

  • Nadav said:
    i'm on the air 2 ios 8.3

    Yep, me too.

  • Extremely rare for Gadget to crash on me (Air 1 8.3, latest gadget) but I do save regularly, if only because it doesn't warn if you switch to another song without saving and it's easy to forget. I use Gadget 70%+ of the time too.

  • Has anyone tried any patches transferred to the desktop version?

  • @johnnygoodyear - it's a good question.

    The obvious one is exporting to a desktop DAW. But I don't use a desktop at all and don't want to.

    So I guess the next possible use for me is changing a particular gadget instrument for something else as a final step in the process. After ive composed everything in Gadget.

    So for example I might create my track in full in Gadget using drums and bass from Gadget - get all of the drum fills and funky bass bits perfect across the full 4 mins all in Gadgets workflow (so good).

    Then instead of just mastering, I'd need to export all the audio tracks apart from the drums and bass out to Auria.

    Then export the drum midi and the bass midi to ProMidi (which will load in midi files). (Cubasis, BM2 or MTD would also do). Then I could play the bass track out and point it at a patch in, say, Cylops or Thor or Z3ta, to get a fiercer bassline that I felt I could get in Gadget. I could also automate in ProMidi. Record this full track audio in Auria.

    Same for the drums. I wish Seak Beats Midi In worked properly then I might well use this. The sound engine and live variations are great. But it keeps crashing. So I'm not sure if anything really beats Gadget for drums... But you get my point. Swapping in a thumbjam instrument (or even a garage band instrument) might be a better use case. Record audio output into Auria.

    The result is you have your complete Gadget composed track in Auria. But the bassline is that killer Cyclops Reece bass and the strings are from Garage Band.

    The irony is though - that all this would be SO much easier if Gadget just had live midi out. You could swap in other apps and hear them as you composed, not afterwards. And no faffing around exporting and importing midi as a whole second stage. It really would be fairly easy for Korg to do this. And I can't really understand why they are being so obstinant in holding it back! I can't see how it really threatens them or would mean people wouldn't buy their IAPs - because as internal gadget is still going to be a million times more convenient and fun.

  • I'm having fun with the preset "19 Hip Hop Kit" in the KLC card. I've got London running the beat. There's a lot of treasure in the IAP.

  • For me gadget is the perfect ios daw, the export to ableton is perfect. Midi file out is awesome too. For me the iPad is still a sketch pad and the desktop pc is the destination where I mix and master. I have tried arturia and bm2 but I like to be able to rely on a stable system and be able to back up easily. Im1 makes it even better. I respect all you guys who do the whole thing on ios but I just don't have the patience for it :)

  • Can't wait to see what comes next for gadget..

  • edited May 2015

    @Buska said:
    Can't wait to see what comes next for gadget..

    Waldorf Attack app.......soon! New Gadget from Waldorf

  • For me, the primary draw of Gadget is to be able to start and finish a track exclusively in it / or perhaps exporting stems to Auria for a bit of further processing / mastering.
    I think I'm coming around to the conclusion that iOS is really problematic for moving sound files around between apps at present and while it can be done, it's just a lot of work all round. I think sticking to Gadget and really looking into it''s automation capabilities will be the way for me to get things done currently.

  • @rocco "bad 80s midifile.fm." ouch but I admire her for saying it :)

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 Yep, I can see taking a particular part and changing up the sound, perhaps particularly the bass, but I am still finding plenty to feed the beast inside of Gadget now with Darwin. This might fade a little as the novelty of so many different new sounds wears off a little or I progress to being a little more selective etc. Might take a while. For now I wish there were a way to save sounds in Gadget that have been adjusted in Darwin itself. Can't seem to figure that out (beyond just saving the whole song).

  • @Igneous1 said:
    For me, the primary draw of Gadget is to be able to start and finish a track exclusively in it / or perhaps exporting stems to Auria for a bit of further processing / mastering.
    I think I'm coming around to the conclusion that iOS is really problematic for moving sound files around between apps at present and while it can be done, it's just a lot of work all round. I think sticking to Gadget and really looking into it''s automation capabilities will be the way for me to get things done currently.

    +1

  • edited May 2015

    @Igneous1 said:
    For me, the primary draw of Gadget is to be able to start and finish a track exclusively in it / or perhaps exporting stems to Auria for a bit of further processing / mastering.
    I think I'm coming around to the conclusion that iOS is really problematic for moving sound files around between apps at present and while it can be done, it's just a lot of work all round. I think sticking to Gadget and really looking into it''s automation capabilities will be the way for me to get things done currently.

    In a tidy nutshell.

  • Anyone worked out a way to fix the glitch where the extra sound packs don't show in Darwin?

  • @Buska said:
    Anyone worked out a way to fix the glitch where the extra sound packs don't show in Darwin?

    Korg are working on it. :-)

  • edited May 2015

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    rocco "bad 80s midifile.fm." ouch but I admire her for saying it :)

    Ouch, indeed! I love her way with words, not as eloquent as yours, but equally evocative. The first time she heard them, she didn't know it was my stuff, and you really only get one chance for a truly unbiased opinion, but I' ll be curious to hear her opinion after I Darwinize some stuff.

  • @rocco said:
    Ouch, indeed! I love her way with words, not as eloquent as yours, but equally evocative. The first time she heard them, she didn't know it was my stuff, and you really only get one chance for a truly unbiased opinion, but I' ll be curious to hear her opinion after I Darwinize some stuff.

    I think we need to hear that too (cough Song of the Month Club cough).... :)

  • "Oy," he said, as he slowly skulked back into lurker mode...

    }:^)

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