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I am really hoping they open this up to integrate with iOS, specifically the iPad. After accessing the free lessons through Melodics, it was apparent that the USB-C midi and audio work seamlessly with the app. All the audio from the melodics app stream straight to the iPad via USB-C as well as the midi to the iPad. It would be so great to use this as a controller/audio interface for iOS apps. As of now I haven't had much luck as in order to use the usb-c audio (except sending) & midi. It seems it has to be in LIVE controller mode for midi. Anyone find any work arounds to use this as a controller for iPad apps like Koala?
I have a steam deck with windows 10 installed on one partition. I have full ableton installed and can confirm that Ableton move works fine with it in Live controller mode. It uses up USB-C to USB-C so cant charge at same time. It didnt work when I tried to use a USB hub between them with a power cable but may have just been my usb hub. The sound came out from the Ableton move rather than the Steam deck. I was impressed with it - it was usable.
Yes, it does work well controlling live. I just wished it worked well as a midi controller for iPad apps. It can be done as it works brilliantly with the Melodics app.
Have to admit that this combo looks a lot of fun. Would consider if my money wasn’t already mapped to other things
I think they just want to keep a clear differentiation between tiers of products. If you want less and smaller get Move, if you want more and bigger get Push. People will always ask for more and perhaps Ableton will improve it via firmware updates but I think the hardware limitations serve a bigger strategy.
That would certainly make sense.
And limitations can indeed boost creativity, as in "make your riff better instead of adding more tracks"
This is cool.
I discovered while making custom Drift Presets in Ableton, that MOVE will support multiple parameter assignments per Macro.
So you can assign a bunch of parameters to a macro, invert their ranges etc and go wild on just one knob.
Very cool stuff!
Question: can you save a set with tracks muted, and then export audio from Move Manager with the tracks muted? Just wondering if this is the case as then I could use Move Manager to export four separate tracks without too much effort.
Yes, this would be one way to export stems. If you Mute 3 tracks. The audio exported from Move Manager will be just that single 4th track.
I don't remember if the mute state gets saved (not in the studio to check), but even it doesn't it's easy to turn the volume down on tracks you don't want in the export.
I tested before replying, and the muted tracks were not part of the audio that is exported by Move Manager. 👍
Hmmmm, thanks, it's back on the list then!
Funnily enough I’ve finally crossed it off mine!
I’ve spent a ridiculous amount of time on various forums and watching vids, but I’ve come to the conclusion it’s not ticking enough boxes, and a few hardware issues (e.g. noisy audio out) being reported have finally put me off.
Not a ‘definitively never’, but definitely a ‘not as it is at the moment’. I still think it’s an incredibly attractive device.
Note (beta) is really good now though, so I’m concentrating on that as a mobile ‘sketchpad’ (just cancelled my Logic sub), with a V12 Live upgrade and possible Launchkey mk4 purchase as a hardware controller.
Yah I am hoping to try one hands on. Very curious if it handles using while walking about well for me.
It's a fairly heavy device for it's size. I'd say you'll need both hands on it most times.
I'm assuming you don't walk on your hands though, so you'll probably be fine. 🤣
Sounds like a job for Popsockets!
Yah it is about twice as heavy as the ipad i used to carry, but then I did have a pretty hefty case too for my ipad so it was probably about 2/3 the weight. I actually used a cradle under one arm approach, for a bit was was thinking of a velcro arm band thingy too.
LK Mk4 works well with Note and Live, Novation have added some nice features.
I have been using the MK4 with Note on an iPad air 2, using CCK3 with additional power. The LK needs the additional power and will not work without it. I have full sized LK so cannot say if the Mini works without the need for additional power. I do not know if the LK will power off newer iPads with the USB-C.
One thing to 'Note' haha, if you want to sync the LK Arp to Note then you need to convert Link to MIDI Clock using another app, I have been using AUM for that but it means you cannot use the tempo control on the LK.
I really like the workflow with Note, and the Move is very attractive from that standpoint, but the reliance on Live for creating presets and lack of connectivity to other hardware is putting me off.
I have the 49 key Mk4 LaunchKey and this will power up when connected to a USB C iPad.
The MK4's are a great controller for Ableton and any iPad app. I'd certainly recommend it.
@oldsynthguy
This is good to know
Me too, if you are looking for a Live controller and not worried about the standalone operation then the LK makes more sense than the Move as a purchase
Hope I haven't caused this conflict lol.
The LK is a great controller for Live.
It works with move and note as a regular controller for note input and using its Chord map and arp features. It does not control the app.
Thanks Andy, yes an LK mk4 is definitely on my list. I’m thinking of the Mini 37, though a bit put off by the keys. The standard 37 has extra buttons and better keys but I wanted something more compact, so I think the Mini 37 wins overall. I can always lug out my bigger 49 LK mk2 if I want to go the full Elton.
Real shame the Move isn’t quite there for me, as it’s perfect size-wise, and playability definitely has the ‘fun’ element. Could still be on the cards at some point though if they add a few tempting upgrades, as the LK is only £130, so there’s room in the budget for both.
Good to hear the LK works with an iPad, another plus.
It is not a 1:1 controller for Note.
MOVE does not control NOTE.
I just double checked this for you.
You might get lucky and find a way to get MIDI notes from USB A into Note, and you can probably start them together with link.
But you won't be able to use the encoders to control any synth parameters or launch patterns / scenes etc.
Edit: What Tarekith said. 👆
Just discovered that you can mute any automation you recorded, by holding the M button and tapping the top of any knob that has automation on it.
Yeah, the Automation gestures are really sweet. It's a very satisfying workflow.
Can anyone sum up how well Move incorporates into a ipad set up, with for example aum and a au synth?
Can you use as midi keyboard, sequencer, midi map knobs etc…
Thx!
It’s not good for that.
Perfecto- thx!
Yeah, I couldn’t recommend it for those purposes. It’s just not designed for that.
This is a decent review. A number of interesting takes.