Ableton Move

Fruitbat1919

@purpan2 said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much that when I get close to getting the money together, Jo finds something new like a new bivvy for camping holidays lol. I've promised myself I'm definitely getting something end of this year lol

Just don’t get Jo started on hammock camping. All your money will be gone. 😂

Is that where you camp on a hammock over deathly high places? Yeah not happening lol

jrjulius

@Tarekith said:
Having a dedicated undo button is definitely another thing I like about Move a lot. Wish more gear had that!

Not only that, but it TELLS you what you’ve just undone or redone. Really great use of Live 12.1’s new Undo History!

tput73

I thought the gas had passed now I feel something building.
Anybody know this…
Can Move sync to Midi clock through usb A - to start transport and maintain tempo or only LINK?
What about pitch bend on move synths when another midi device is connected to control move.
(In my case if I can control wavetable and drift with a connected Linnstrument in a meaningful way move would be worth it easy)

Damn gas!

oldsynthguy

This video pretty much sums up my thoughts on the Move, including a comparison between Move functionality and the £100 new Launchkey.

Saying that, the £50 off a Live 12 upgrade + Move deal makes it a £350 purchase, which is almost tempting.

SpookyZoo

@tput73 said:
I thought the gas had passed now I feel something building.
Anybody know this…
Can Move sync to Midi clock through usb A - to start transport and maintain tempo or only LINK?
What about pitch bend on move synths when another midi device is connected to control move.
(In my case if I can control wavetable and drift with a connected Linnstrument in a meaningful way move would be worth it easy)

Damn gas!

Nope to both I'm afraid.

• Link in only

• No Pitch bend support

Wish I had better news for you.

yellow_eyez

It’s 100 less in Europe ? Lucky. If it was $350 here I would’ve already checked out I think. The fact that it is more like $500 after tax has slowed me completely from my op-z trade in…

AndyPlankton

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Fruitbat1919

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Does this necessitate the need for a computer? Beyond an iPad or iPhone of course.

mistercharlie

@tput73 said:
I thought the gas had passed now I feel something building.
Anybody know this…
Can Move sync to Midi clock through usb A - to start transport and maintain tempo or only LINK?
What about pitch bend on move synths when another midi device is connected to control move.
(In my case if I can control wavetable and drift with a connected Linnstrument in a meaningful way move would be worth it easy)

Damn gas!

The Move will send midi clock but not receive it.

oldsynthguy

@yellow_eyez said:
It’s 100 less in Europe ? Lucky. If it was $350 here I would’ve already checked out I think. The fact that it is more like $500 after tax has slowed me completely from my op-z trade in…

It’s £400 here in the UK, but if I upgrade my V11 Suite to V12 suite at the same time, they knock £50 off the upgrade price, kinda making it a £350 Move deal, plus a V12 upgrade I’m going to have to do at some point anyway.

I’m backwards and forwards like mad on this though, between a Launchkey mk4 + Live upgrade, or the Move + V12 upgrade deal.

I’m tempted to just hang fire for now, and see what the Black Friday sales offer (if anything).

SpookyZoo

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SpookyZoo

@jrjulius said:

@Tarekith said:
Having a dedicated undo button is definitely another thing I like about Move a lot. Wish more gear had that!

Not only that, but it TELLS you what you’ve just undone or redone. Really great use of Live 12.1’s new Undo History!

Yeah. The UNDO button is very useful!

yellow_eyez

I was confused by another post that was referring to a discount for bundling the software with the move, so i thought it was 350 in Europe…but i also was not accounting for exchange rate, so good looks for adding that…you guys also dont pay tax tho right? So essentially i guess it is almost the same price accounting for the variables.

I will say this @oldsynthguy , i think its a great deal if your an Ableton user; and if it was a move controller with 1:1 sw/hw i would def trade my opz for the move…..Note/ableton have a cool little thing going on

At the very least this made me like the note app a lot.

oldsynthguy

@yellow_eyez said:
I will say this @oldsynthguy , i think its a great deal if your an Ableton user; and if it was a move controller with 1:1 sw/hw i would def trade my opz for the move…..Note/ableton have a cool little thing going on

It’s very tempting, and V12 has a lot of new MIDI editing features I’d use.

It’d be about £529 for the Move and upgrade.

The Move though is quite basic in comparison to the new Launchkey’s as a Live controller, and I’ve seen mention of noises and buzzing when the Move is in controller mode. That’s a definite turn-off for me if it’s a general issue.

Ideally I’d get both - Launchkey Mini as a controller, and Move as a sketchpad.

Basically I need to stay on this fence for a while longer!

@yellow_eyez said:
At the very least this made me like the note app a lot.

Yes me too. Never thought I’d be into the new ‘capture’ mode, but really digging it in the new version of Note.

drez

All this talk about upgrades for ableton are the exact reason for the move. Ableton's master plan is working well!

drez

@Danny_Mammy said:
I'm not convinced to get a move yet, i have push 3 controller and I'm concerned over this seemly strategic lack of parity between systems. this whole transfer your projects between system isn't aligned. one has 4 tracks, one 8 tracks, one has pitched pads on drum rack. just align it all.

Why make them all do the same stuff? This forces you to buy all of these products to do the unique things one doesn't offer

AndyPlankton

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Does this necessitate the need for a computer? Beyond an iPad or iPhone of course.

Not for normal operation, but for setting up routing yes.

Fruitbat1919

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Does this necessitate the need for a computer? Beyond an iPad or iPhone of course.

Not for normal operation, but for setting up routing yes.

I'm computerless at this time lol. Plenty of tablet around the house (of the electronic variety). So problematic at times, because it's amazing how difficult it is to get some devices updated without either a PC or MAC.

supadom

I’ve been getting this lately when trying to open embedded video or when I search for videos using DuckDuckGo search. Is there a remedy?

mistercharlie

Mine arrived today. It’s the best sampler I’ve ever used.

supadom

Just catching up here. This thing screams Circuit 3 at me all the time. Things like the inclusion of the arp as well as a more decent sound library makes it a great upgrade to Circuit Tracks I think. Of course the amount of storage as well as the built in mic are massive additions.

Since it is literally Circuit Tracks on steroids I can’t help but wondering what was Novation’s involvement here. The hardware looks very Novation. Knobs and pads from launch key mini mk 3, likely pressure pads from launchpads etc. I can see Tracks sales stopping completely…as well as sales of many posh options like opz slowing down too.

yellow_eyez

Too bad GC don’t stock these lol

AndyPlankton

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Does this necessitate the need for a computer? Beyond an iPad or iPhone of course.

Not for normal operation, but for setting up routing yes.

I'm computerless at this time lol. Plenty of tablet around the house (of the electronic variety). So problematic at times, because it's amazing how difficult it is to get some devices updated without either a PC or MAC.

Looks like I should have checked first, you can configure it using iOS
"Master your MIDI setup with precision using the HxMIDI Tools software, available for macOS, Windows, Android, and iOS. Customize routing, apply intelligent MIDI filtering, and perform robust message remapping effortlessly."

Fruitbat1919

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Fruitbat1919 said:
@AndyPlankton just to add the SP404mk2 is nice and compact, has great sampling time and many other uses. Way better for crafting a sample than the Circuit Rhythm (which I have) and has some wonderful fx and works well as an audio and midi hub for an iPad or iPhone.

I've always overlooked these, I have been put off by the 'calculator' vibe I get with the look of them. I'll definitley be checking these out in a bit more detail now though

If I was in your situation of having to set up each time, I would trade it all in and use an MPC X se with a controller keyboard instead lol. Problem is that's an expensive one off outlay and a bit all eggs in one basket.

Thanks for the advice on the midi merge. Might make me rethink that to be honest - just not sure. I've been changing my mind so much

The alternative to using a MIDI merge is to use USB instead, hence my purchase of the CME USB Host device. The other advantage to this is less cables as you don't need the MIDI cables and any MIDI re-routing can be done in software so no need for accessing the back of the units and pulling cables

Does this necessitate the need for a computer? Beyond an iPad or iPhone of course.

Not for normal operation, but for setting up routing yes.

I'm computerless at this time lol. Plenty of tablet around the house (of the electronic variety). So problematic at times, because it's amazing how difficult it is to get some devices updated without either a PC or MAC.

Looks like I should have checked first, you can configure it using iOS
"Master your MIDI setup with precision using the HxMIDI Tools software, available for macOS, Windows, Android, and iOS. Customize routing, apply intelligent MIDI filtering, and perform robust message remapping effortlessly."

O that's OK then will take a look.

SpookyZoo

The more I play with MOVE the more impressed I am.

The workflow of capturing automation, and then either applying, muting or deleting that automations is really smooth. A simple combo of button press and a tap on the encoders is really sweetly implemented.

Yes, MOVE has some control of desktop LIVE when connected, but I'm realising that the power of it's standalone mode is where it is really shining.

I'd like to see a few additions in the note editing such as being able to delete a specific Bar, and also a way to ratchet notes, but hopefully those are possible down the line.

daytwa

@mistercharlie said:
Mine arrived today. It’s the best sampler I’ve ever used.

Can I ask what mic mount bar you're using for those field mics?

SpookyZoo

@supadom said:
Just catching up here. This thing screams Circuit 3 at me all the time. Things like the inclusion of the arp as well as a more decent sound library makes it a great upgrade to Circuit Tracks I think. Of course the amount of storage as well as the built in mic are massive additions.

Since it is literally Circuit Tracks on steroids I can’t help but wondering what was Novation’s involvement here. The hardware looks very Novation. Knobs and pads from launch key mini mk 3, likely pressure pads from launchpads etc. I can see Tracks sales stopping completely…as well as sales of many posh options like opz slowing down too.

Hey Dom, a few thoughts on this...

• Yes the sounds on MOVE are great. I think the latest Circuits are cool feature-wise but I always found it hard to get sounds I really liked. A bit too 'glassy' for me.

• The Arp on MOVE is very basic, maybe it'll get more control in later FW

• I'd be pretty surprised if Novation had anything to do with MOVE

• The knobs on MOVE are FAR superior to those on the Launchkey MK3 (and the MK4) Really slick and solid feel to them. Classy even!

• I think Circuit Tracks and Rhythm have enough of their own tricks to not be too worried here. If anything, the public interest of MOVE could probably boost sales for Novation being as those Circuits are still very cool devices and around half the price.

I'll add one more thing here vs the Circuits,

• Volume output on MOVE is very good. The Circuits are really very quiet, and always seem to need the volume at Max. Even then they seem quiet. Cool boxes though.

OnfraySin

This thing is AMAZING

AndyPlankton

@SpookyZoo said:

@supadom said:
Just catching up here. This thing screams Circuit 3 at me all the time. Things like the inclusion of the arp as well as a more decent sound library makes it a great upgrade to Circuit Tracks I think. Of course the amount of storage as well as the built in mic are massive additions.

Since it is literally Circuit Tracks on steroids I can’t help but wondering what was Novation’s involvement here. The hardware looks very Novation. Knobs and pads from launch key mini mk 3, likely pressure pads from launchpads etc. I can see Tracks sales stopping completely…as well as sales of many posh options like opz slowing down too.

Hey Dom, a few thoughts on this...

• Yes the sounds on MOVE are great. I think the latest Circuits are cool feature-wise but I always found it hard to get sounds I really liked. A bit too 'glassy' for me.

• The Arp on MOVE is very basic, maybe it'll get more control in later FW

• I'd be pretty surprised if Novation had anything to do with MOVE

• The knobs on MOVE are FAR superior to those on the Launchkey MK3 (and the MK4) Really slick and solid feel to them. Classy even!

• I think Circuit Tracks and Rhythm have enough of their own tricks to not be too worried here. If anything, the public interest of MOVE could probably boost sales for Novation being as those Circuits are still very cool devices and around half the price.

I'll add one more thing here vs the Circuits,

• Volume output on MOVE is very good. The Circuits are really very quiet, and always seem to need the volume at Max. Even then they seem quiet. Cool boxes though.

Am I right in thinking you can only make your own presets for Move if you have Ableton ?

SpookyZoo

@mistercharlie @OnfraySin Nice one guys. Enjoy!