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  • soundtemplesoundtemple

    @jwmmakerofmusic Didn't you only buy it yesterday lol?

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    Wavetable Converter damn near runs in any desktop OS.

    $10

    (American dictator bucks)

    https://oceanswift.net/product/wavetable-compatibility-converter/

  • ChimmyChungaFaceChimmyChungaFace

    @ChimmyChungaFace said:
    I’m saying this cautiously…. Only because I haven’t explored everything this app has to offer…. But this feels like a masterpiece. Thank you for making it Jim Audio.

    After more exploration, it definitely feels like a masterpiece. Only things that stand out, wish there were custom chord pads along with the chord sets, and it’s screaming out for a generic xy pad to control assignable parameters from those three xy pad slots towards the bottom. Other than that, it’s brilliant.

  • Michael_R_GrantMichael_R_Grant
    edited February 2025

    @rheslip said:

    @Michael_R_Grant said:

    @thesoundtestroom said:
    Here is my next GR2 video.
    This one is all about MIDI FX, I use Scaler 2 as an example but you can apply the same technique used in the video to any MIDI FX app.
    With this method, you can build up complete songs very quickly.

    Do you find that the performance options in Scaler 2 have timing issues when used with GR 2? By this, I mean how you can select various musical styles to be played within the selected chords. For me, the same problem exists as with Logic Pro on iPad, where a 48k sample rate means the performance doesn't line up properly. The MIDI notes for the chords are recording with the correct timing, it's the actual 'playing' that has wrong timing when you're using the performance options.

    The solution in Logic is to select 44.1khz for your project, but in GR2 the sample rate is locked to your model of iPad even though it looks like you should be able to change it. Jim says that Logic is only 'virtually' changing this rate, so it's like 44.1khz in a 48khz wrapper, but it does still fix the issue. No such ability in GR2, unfortunately!

    I followed Doug’s instructions pretty much exactly and found the recorded chords in Gr2 are not timed correctly. DAW sync is on, both GR2 and Scaler say they are at 120bpm but it’s like Scaler’s clock is running faster than GR2. Each chord after the first is recorded early and what is supposed to be a 4 bar loop is actually about 3 3/4 bars.

    What am I doing wrong?

    When I am using GR2's keyboard to control the chords (from memory, this is having the 'B' box ticked in Scaler on the line where the scale chords are):

    • My keyboard presses are recorded in time
    • Single chords then play back with correct timing
    • Any performance options are out of time, so the note will trigger at the right time but the performance aspect will play too quickly

    I haven't tried Scaler 2 itself doing the chords timing (ie. setting up a pattern in Scaler 2), but I'm pretty sure that if I did, I would have the same issue as you.

    Jim hinted to me that whether or not you have an issue is based on your model of iPad. According to the internet, iPad Pros from version 3 onwards are limited to 48kHz. iPad models before that can do 44.1kHz or 48kHz. Scaler 2 just doesn't seem to play nice in 48kHz. Logic Pro on iPad has an option to switch to 44.1kHz whatever your iPad model, but this is essentially 'virtually' changing it according to Jim - it's still actually 48kHz but with some kind of wrapper conversion. Still, changing this setting in Logic DOES fix the issue with Scaler 2.

    So this all makes sense if people are having different experiences with Scaler 2. The devs of that app have said that Logic is the problem and that it has a bug at 48kHz which causes the issues with Scaler performance options, but as this is happening on GR2 as well, maybe this should be sorted out at the Scaler end instead! Certainly Jim has no plans to change anything.

    Hopefully when Scaler 3 comes to iPad, it won't have this problem.

  • cytonecytone

    I recall he Scaler devs saying this is a bug with ipadOS where the midifx cannot get the correct sample rate so goes out of sync.
    The same problem exist with Harmony bloom.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic
    edited February 2025

    @soundtemple said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic Didn't you only buy it yesterday lol?

    Mostly about when is the manual coming. 😂

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    File/sample management question:

    When I got my new iPad I imported a bunch of zipped folders of samples into Drambo

    Is there a way I can reference those files in GR2? I can't find their location in the file directory :/
    (I was raised on Windows PCs in the 90s....iOS file management does my head in)

  • Frank303Frank303
    edited February 2025

    @drewinnit said:
    File/sample management question:

    When I got my new iPad I imported a bunch of zipped folders of samples into Drambo

    Is there a way I can reference those files in GR2? I can't find their location in the file directory :/
    (I was raised on Windows PCs in the 90s....iOS file management does my head in)

    Should be easy to find. Files app, on my ipad, find drambo. Samples folder, your folders and files should be there. Select and copy. Navigate to On my ipad, gr16, samples. Paste there.
    Files are not duplicated.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit

    Thanks @Frank303

    I actually don’t have a Drambo folder in On My iPad….there is one in iCloud but the sample folder is empty despite Drambo have many GBs of samples loaded into it 🤔

    I’ll keep digging :)

  • mingxiumingxiu

    @RJB said:

    @wim said:

    @Frank303 said:
    Can't figure out if gr16 obeys/differentiates cc's on different midi channels? If I map a knob from a hardware controller with cc1 on ch1 to the cutoff in gr16, then a cc1 on ch2 also modulates the same cutoff mapped to cc1.

    Have you tried Midi In Mode = Poly Channel in midi settings?

    I’m seeing something funny going on with midi in Piano Motifs. Using Audio Veek’s midi route I was hoping to just record the accompaniment on track2 but I can’t seem to split the midi up no matter which mode I’m in, mono or poly channel.

    I have been experimenting with Piano Motifs and came to some strange results.
    Piano Motifs set to melody on channel 1 and accompaniment on channel 2.
    As instrument Pure Piano, I set PP on channel 1 (inside the settings of PP)
    Then I print the midi to a clip, now it prints the melody and the accompaniment.
    When Piano Motifs is off and I play the clip with PP on channel 1, its still only plays the melody, when I change PP to channel 2 it plays only the accompaniment.
    So it seems the printing in the clip is set to 2 different channels but at the moment you can only separate channel 1 and 2 if you send it to an AUV3 instrument where you can set the channels.
    I don’t understand it but it works.

  • Frank303Frank303

    @drewinnit said:
    Thanks @Frank303

    I actually don’t have a Drambo folder in On My iPad….there is one in iCloud but the sample folder is empty despite Drambo have many GBs of samples loaded into it 🤔

    I’ll keep digging :)

    Had to look at the menu, but try this in Drambo:
    Menu, settings, all the way down is option Filesystem. Enable Public Filesystem 😊

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 2025

    @Frank303 said:

    @drewinnit said:
    Thanks @Frank303

    I actually don’t have a Drambo folder in On My iPad….there is one in iCloud but the sample folder is empty despite Drambo have many GBs of samples loaded into it 🤔

    I’ll keep digging :)

    Had to look at the menu, but try this in Drambo:
    Menu, settings, all the way down is option Filesystem. Enable Public Filesystem 😊

    thank you, sir! that must be it...will do this when I get back to my iPad, much obliged 🤝

    confirmed - this worked. thanks again

  • michael_mmichael_m

    @wim said:
    It's a Scaler 2 problem with sample rate other than 44.1kHz. GR-2 isn't the only host where that is a problem.
    https://forum.loopypro.com/discussion/62993/scaler-2-9-bad-performance

    That’s a shame, as Scaler 2 has the potential to be really useful.

  • drewinnitdrewinnit
    edited February 2025

    EDIT - figured it out, long hold the IFX name…only works on this element of the UI

    I seem to be able to only get this dialogue to move IFX elements on an empty unit. If theres’s an IFX loaded i can’t seem to bring the dialogue up with a long hold anymore( annoying when you have 3 loaded and want to re-arrange them). Anyone else experienced this?

  • SergiuSergiu
    edited February 2025

    Im trying to use 2 midi controllers at the same time and I can't figure it out how to make it work ! Things is I can only select one midi device at a time.
    ( A Faderfox Mx12 with a Cme Xkey ) Anyone using more than one midi controller?

  • cytonecytone

    Managed to switch to 44.1Khz sample rate by plugging in some cheap earbuds in while GR2 is active. Might be because they have a microphone and my better headphones don’t.

  • PherPher

    New video from Jim.

  • dmoridmori

    @Sergiu said:
    Im trying to use 2 midi controllers at the same time and I can't figure it out how to make it work ! Things is I can only select one midi device at a time.
    ( A Faderfox Mx12 with a Cme Xkey ) Anyone using more than one midi controller?

    Yeah I had the same issue.

    The workaround I've found is I use CME H4Midi (they've also just come out with a smaller one). Using their iOS app you can route multiple Midi controllers to 1 virtual output.

  • SergiuSergiu

    @dmori said:

    @Sergiu said:
    Im trying to use 2 midi controllers at the same time and I can't figure it out how to make it work ! Things is I can only select one midi device at a time.
    ( A Faderfox Mx12 with a Cme Xkey ) Anyone using more than one midi controller?

    Yeah I had the same issue.

    The workaround I've found is I use CME H4Midi (they've also just come out with a smaller one). Using their iOS app you can route multiple Midi controllers to 1 virtual output.

    Thank a lot! hmm... I guess its a matter of time until things we'll get sorted out ( its just I'm so used using hardware controllers with the apps ) I'll wait patiently and until then...Drambo!

  • SergiuSergiu

    Also...mapping cc's on auv3's is not working or at least in here ( I saw Sfm tutorial and it worked with Isem , but not here),( only to its native synths )

  • EdZABEdZAB

    I'm trying to understand what options work to record and play back pitch bend in the layers. I've tried two different methods:

    (1) Loading up an AUv3 MIDI FX such as Helium with pitch bend and modulation in the track, but when sending it to another layer it just seems to ignore it. I've tried using a Synth, a Soundfont and an AUv3 synth (Continua), and when a layer is receiving from an AUv3 MIDI FX, it just seems to ignore the MIDI information other than note and velocity.
    (2) I can get a Synth layer to respond live by doing a MIDI learn to the Pitch knob when sending notes from a bluetooth controller (Artiphon Orba), but when recording to a MIDI clip, only note and velocity is retained - no automation is recorded.

    For method (1) I'm not too surprised if this doesn't work since it would require a MIDI learn assignment to pick up the additional MIDI information and modulate a knob or control, and there doesn't seem to be a way to do that via virtual MIDI, but I would be happy to be wrong about that.

    For method (2) I would expect that after the MIDI assignment is in place on the Pitch knob and working live, that it would record it into the automation on the clip. Maybe I'm doing something wrong.

  • cuscolimacuscolima
    edited February 2025

    GR2 cannot import midi files at the moment but here is a little trick. You can record a collection of patterns that you can save in a session. You can then copy-past each of them in a later project

  • djmitchelladjmitchella
    edited February 2025

    @cytone said:
    Managed to switch to 44.1Khz sample rate by plugging in some cheap earbuds in while GR2 is active. Might be because they have a microphone and my better headphones don’t.

    Thanks! That did the trick for me as well; I plugged in some generic earbuds (which have a mic) into the headphone socket (rather than Apple earbuds into the lightning port), and now I can change to 44.1khz in GR2, and after that, when I do 'print midi here' with Scaler 2, it's lined up properly.

    (edit: that's also working for harmony bloom, now that records to the right overall length, though notes in the middle can be offset a bit, depending on the pattern)

  • RajahPRajahP

    @Pher said:
    New video from Jim.

    Dham, thought is was a video on upcoming updates… like midi import…
    I think midi import will take GR2 to a new level… ATOM2 should be its influence… the ability to transpose notes in scale.. we wait..

  • RajahPRajahP

    @cuscolima said:
    GR2 cannot import midi files at the moment but here is a little trick. You can record a collection of patterns that you can save in a session. You can then copy-past each of them in a later project

    That’s a lot of work… taxing on one’s creative spirit..

  • RajahPRajahP

    Just Saying… 😇

  • michael_mmichael_m

    The easiest way would be to import them into a MIDI AUv3 that support file import then MIDI print them.

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @RajahP said:

    the ability to transpose notes in scale.. we wait..

    we have that and it's awesome, dragging chord shapes on the piano roll is super useful

  • cokomairenacokomairena

    @michael_m said:
    The easiest way would be to import them into a MIDI AUv3 that support file import then MIDI print them.

    quick and easy, just reserve one track for that function and then move the patterns wherever you like

  • wimwim

    I'm not seeing choke groups anywhere. Am I just overlooking something?

    I assumed at first it was "mute groups" but they're something different.

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