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Texas 25th May 2022
I have been keeping myself away from the news for the last couple of weeks.
We can only bear so much tragedy.
We need to recharge our spirits and our minds.
In this day and age it seems we need to do this more often.
I opened up my FB today.
The posts were horrifying.
When will people learn that the answer to a gun isn't a gun.
When will people learn that children are precious.
When will people learn.
21 died at the hands of a gunman.
Some would say a lone wolf.
Some would say a damaged individual.
Some would say a terrorist.
Some would say...
I'm calling it as it is.
A killer went on the rampage and massacred 21 innocent people who hadn't even lived yet.
May they rest in Peace.
Peace.
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/victims-uvalde-texas-school-shooting/index.html
Comments
I think The Onion said it best.
I hope it's different this time. This has been absolutely heartbreaking.
Their current front page is sobering.
And here we go.
Worth thinking about.
Thurston High School.
Columbine High School.
Heritage High School.
Deming Middle School.
Fort Gibson Middle School.
Buell Elementary School.
Lake Worth Middle School.
University of Arkansas.
Junipero Serra High School.
Santana High School.
Bishop Neumann High School.
Pacific Lutheran University.
Granite Hills High School.
Lew Wallace High School.
Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.
Appalachian School of Law.
Washington High School.
Conception Abbey.
Benjamin Tasker Middle School.
University of Arizona.
Lincoln High School.
John McDonogh High School.
Red Lion Area Junior High School.
Case Western Reserve University.
Rocori High School.
Ballou High School.
Randallstown High School.
Bowen High School.
Red Lake Senior High School.
Harlan Community Academy High School.
Campbell County High School.
Milwee Middle School.
Roseburg High School.
Pine Middle School.
Essex Elementary School.
Duquesne University.
Platte Canyon High School.
Weston High School.
West Nickel Mines School.
Joplin Memorial Middle School.
Henry Foss High School.
Compton Centennial High School.
Virginia Tech.
Success Tech Academy.
Miami Carol City Senior High School.
Hamilton High School.
Louisiana Technical College.
Mitchell High School.
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Lakota Middle School.
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University of Central Arkansas.
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University of Alabama.
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Ohio State University.
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University of Texas.
Kelly Elementary School.
Marinette High School.
Aurora Central High School.
Millard South High School.
Martinsville West Middle School.
Worthing High School.
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Chardon High School.
Episcopal School of Jacksonville.
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Hamilton High School.
Perry Hall School.
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University of South Alabama.
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University of Southern California.
Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.
Taft Union High School.
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Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.
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Price Middle School.
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Wayne Community College.
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Grambling State University.
Blountsville Elementary School.
Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus).
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UNC Charlotte.
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Carman-Ainsworth High School.
Williwaw Elementary School.
Monroe Clark Middle School.
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Jeanette High School.
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DeAnza High School.
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Oshkosh High School.
Catholic Academy of New Haven.
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McAuliffe Elementary School.
South Oak Cliff High School.
Texas A&M University-Commerce.
Sonora High School.
Western Illinois University.
Oxford High School.
Robb Elementary School.
Yes and the May 14th, 2022 massacre should be mentioned as well
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/05/14/nyregion/buffalo-shooting
Thanks for posting this @Gravitas . It’s painful. This is a music forum. It’s about apps. But we must fill the hole that is everywhere in the U.S.
That list. Oy, that list. We Americans. We all share in the shame of this. We must.
Though it is a music forum.
Music isn't only about a forum or apps.
For instance Malian musicians were and quite possibly still are
being harassed, forced to flee their country, instruments destroyed,
threatened with death because they have to play Islamic songs
not the songs of the griots or the popular music of our time.
Those musicians are still playing and performing
but they know why they are playing and performing.
A griot's purpose is not only to entertain.
It's to remember births, deaths, weddings and funerals.
It's to remember that certain songs need to be sung to raise our spirits.
It's to remember at the very least who and why they were killed.
Even if they cannot remember their precise names.
Shame will not kill you.
A gun in the hands of someone with lethal intent will.
Whatever is the cause of these "things" to pick up a gun and kill wantonly
is something that needs to be addressed by the whole of America
because it's spreading and it's spreading fast.
America has had some amazing visionary's and leaders.
One of them had a dream.
If he were to open his eyes now?
It would be a nightmare.
We're simply getting used to it.
Deeply wrong and so painful.
As awful as the high profile, mass school and mall shootings are it is the "normal" gun homicides that are America's biggest gun threat.
The high profile mass shootings get a lot of media attention but they hardly register on the national yearly gun homicide numbers. How many are killed by guns in Detriot or Chicago each week?
The rest of the world finds it difficult to understand why Americans think they need so many guns.
That list is truly astounding — and totally disgusting.
I’ve been registered as “no party affiliation” for decades and after the republican non-response to these past two massacres, I will never again vote for a republican until they come to grips with reality and stop sucking the money-grubbing tit of the NRA.
I love my country, but despise our spineless politicians.
Much of America finds it difficult to understand why there are so many guns.
These school shootings are a symptom of something very wrong. The large number of guns in this country results in large numbers of gun suicides, spousal murders, accidental deaths of children that get hold of their parents guns. There is a sub-culture here with tremendous political clout with an almost cult-like attachment to firearms who oppose any regulations at all.
Yes, those guys look more like a religion than a sub culture.
I guess that there are a few elements to gun owners:
I understand 1 and 2, not so sure about what is going on with group 3. But I'm not an American so maybe someone can explain it to me.
What you may not know is that a significant percentage of homicides (I am including suicides) are in group 3.
The increasingly extreme gun rights cult is the result of a complex mingling of factors. There is no simple explanation.
I know the US Constitution allows gun ownership, but I think I read somewhere that the original intention was not for individual citizens to be able to go to the local department store and buy guns, but that it was intended to allow the States to have armed militia to stop the Federal Government from bullying them. Is that correct or am I remembering it incorrectly?
The second amendment (there is copious documentation..,you can find the correspondence between James Madison, the amendment's author, George Mason, and Patrick Henry discussing it ...including drafts of the language and commentary thereon). Short version: slaveholding states had a few worries. One was that the establishment of a federal standing army would preclude states from having their own militias...militias whose primary interest was preventing slave revolts. They were also concerned that the federal government might free slaves by conscription. Slave revolts were a major fear in the South as slaves outnumbered non-slaves in some states. All the slave states had militias at that time whose primary job was inspecting slave quarters for weapons. In some states, all white males were required to serve some number of days per month to participate in these activities.
Anyway, Madison wrote the amendment to allay fears expressed by Henry and Mason and others.
There was no contemplation of the second amendment as applying to a personal right to bear arms. The notion that a right to arms was to prevent bullying from the federal government is a myth largely post-Civil War or from the run up to the Civil War. A lot of modern "second amendment" beliefs have roots in post civil war resistance to integration and hatred of the Federal government for abolishing slavery and (however briefly) enforcing the rights of freedmen and women.
Very interesting.
Thank you for going to the trouble of writing all that out.
America needs gun control but unfortunately the “the right to bear arms” has become a cancer killing the population, which many incorrectly think is there to protect them.
Everytime I see headlines like the ones discussed above I am both heartbroken and horrified at the lives cut short.
To answer your question 35-40 people in Chicago each and every weekend and this has been going on for years but the MSM doesn’t bring attention to it because it doesn’t fit their narrative.
Sure, group 3 needs guns to protect themselves from group 1 & 2 and another group, group 4 (authority as a perceived threat). Its very simple math.
The reality of the matter is the past three years have seen the highest sales of fire arms and munitions in the history of the United States. Why? It started during covid and increased when American cities were being burned and looted in peaceful protest, while the idiots that lead us were screaming defund law enforcement which happened in certain cities and crime has risen to historic highs in the last two years which compels Americans to buy more fire arms!
There are seven fire arms for every man, woman and child in America and that was before covid. America has a gun surplus problem that it cant solve. But guns are not the problem. Education is the problem. All of this madness stems from the fact that our society does not educate people to be passive and respectful. Our culture is steeped in violence. Just look at our entertainment. And you wonder why these shooters have no respect for human life, Call Of Duty rewards murder. It's a frustrating situation.
Guns are not the problem?
Other Western countries are steeped in American culture - movies, TV shows, rap music, violent computer games but they don't have the gun murder problem that America has because they don't have 7 guns for every citizen.
If the guns are not out there in the community they can't be used to kill people. This seems logical or am I missing something..?
Agreed.
If you carry a weapon you have an increased potential to use it.
I do carry a weapon and own several fire arms and I have only used a fire arm once in civillian life and that happened around two years a go. But I was trained by the government to use fire arms so nobody got killed or hurt. But that’s part of the education factor. Just because you own twelve fire arms doesn’t mean you know how to use them effectively, period. And the average American does not. Yes weapons are tools but the amount of education and respect needed to use them far exceeds that of using a drill or a hammer. Its a complicated issue. For example, what happens if you loose control of the fire arm? Things just went south really quick and you are in an even worse situation but most people dont think about that.
This is the main point.
You were trained in the usage of firearms.
The average person isn't.
I would presume you were trained to think before you pulled the trigger.
The average person reacts on impulse violence.
No thought.
Agreed.
I don't think that's complicated at all.
If you're not trained to use a weapon don't carry it.
You'll shoot your own foot off or even worse someone else's.
In my case i was able to detain the individual using the same method that the military and law enforcement use. I always consider the following try and keep the individual alive because they are an asset. In the military you use them for information and dead men have tight lips. But in civillian life for the love of God thats fellow human being maybe not at his best but he has friends and a family that care about him. If i am in control of the initiative it is my responsibility to do everything i can to make sure he makes it out alive. I dont want any extra blood on my hands, killing any thing really messes with the average persons mind and the are no positive aspects about it. I like sleeping peacefully at night.
We need better education in America and that would decrease the need for fire arms, period.
To high jack this thread, I wish the military would have taught me more about modular synthesis and how to over come the deadly Gear Acquisition Syndrome I just bought more gear that I don’t need but……maybe I really need it. Yeah, I think I do.
Though I am a civilian I understand this.
It makes logical sense.
Agreed.
Agreed and not only America because gun violence
is increasing worldwide alongside violent crimes.
That's my point.
A choice between a gun or modular synthesis?
I'm a lifelong musician, Artist.
G.A.S all the way.
There's my answer. 🙂
I'm hoping that the unbelievably tragic school shooting this week has served to disprove at least one myth that the gun lobby continually uses as an argument against gun control:
'The only way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun' = utter bullshit that has been COMPLETELY disproven in this case. There were armed security officers at the school who exchanged fire with the gunman and didn't stop him. Then a bunch of armed police chose to argue with anxious, terrified parents for an hour rather than try to break into the classroom and confront the gunman, in an act of unforgivable cowardice.
Agreed.
This has been said elsewhere as well.
One opinion stated that the Law Enforcers seemed to be concerned about
self preservation rather than the preservation of the life's that were at stake.
Interesting that it always seems to be men that do these mass shootings. I wonder if any females have ever done one?
Unfortunately in Texas the only good man with a gun arrived late. And gun laws will never be reformed because the issue isn’t about gun violence, it’s about money. The three biggest money makers in the the world are drugs, oil and guns. You do the math. The gun lobby doesn’t need arguments when it has boat loads of lovely money.
I’m excited about the prospect of women exercising their First and Second Amendment rights to keep abortion safe(r) in THIS country.
How can one be both “pro-life” and pro-gun?
Behold the rise of the American Taliban. Get your wives, mothers and daughters fitted for burkas, they will be required soon.
This 47 year old, born, raised and still living in NJ, USA, does not any understand why anyone needs a gun.