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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/how-does-u-s-gun-policy-compare-with-the-rest-of-the-world
His political opinions don’t carry weight.
What exactly is your motivation to make sure kids and teachers are left helpless?
Name any country anywhere which has the exact same constitutionally protected individual rights as Americans. I’ll wait.
Irrelevant. The US is not “the rest of the world”, nor do we want to be. Anyone uncomfortable with our freedoms and all the risks and rewards which come with those freedoms should consider leaving for a far less free country.
Case closed then.
To the contrary. Feel free to make a case if you have an opposing view.
Was the murderer in a well-regulated militia?
Sure, hmmm, I am in Canada so the US is in the rest of the world. Actually that was pretty easy, give me another one!
In fairness though: yes, the US may have more firearms than people which is obviously mental - but at least it offers good-quality, affordable healthcare to all its citizens when they do get shot. 😶
How many people here really don’t understand what “well-regulated” means in the historical context of the Constitution, which is a legal document? I see at least one.
https://constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm
Canada is a nice place, but with Trudeau in charge I certainly wouldn’t want to live there!
Hmmm, yah maybe fear of medical bills ruining one's life makes a gun purchase feel like a one time relatively cheap insurance policy allowing you to protect yourself from harm. I only ever shot hunting rifles but there was no way that gopher was taking a bite out of me, sending me to the hospital.
Wonder what "militia" means...
Eh, based on the leaders most countries stink. Luckily we the people of Canada are pretty decent.
A massively armed population is a good sign tyrannical government will never be allowed in the US, as much as Leftists would prefer otherwise.
I wonder what the Supreme Court’s ruling on that is… oh, they’ve already ruled in favor of individual arms ownership. No militia involvement required.
Yes, Canadians are generally very nice people. Believe it or not, the same can be said about nearly all people in all other countries.
Tru dat.
So much for the constitution then, since people just pick and choose which bits of it they like 🤷♀️
Be specific. I can be very specific.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
Our laws are based on our Constitution. And Supreme Court rulings require precedent. This is precedent.
Don't feed the troll.
Well played.
Why do you choose to post nonsense when you could instead formulate a rational opposing view?
Have we reached that point whereby
"teachers should have the right to carry guns into a classroom" yet?
"Americans have the right to carry guns because of the institutional whatever it is"
and it's okay to kill someone because they are a lone wolf?
Have we also reached the point where anyone who says otherwise needs
to do their research, read up on recent articles that back the supposition
that "guns are the answer to more gun crimes"?
Well, if we've reached this point then there's no point in
discussing it further because the answer is always going to be the same.
Anyway.
Basically if you take a hammer and hit your thumb
that's when you realise that hitting your thumb with
a hammer hurts and that you shouldn't do it.
The same principle with a gun.
A gun in the wrong hands kills people.
Don't give them the guns.
Find out why they want to kill people and then show them a better way.
Other countries have better ways.
Learn from them as we are forced to learn from you.
For fuck’s sake @NeuM, I just unignored you and now I have to banish you from my mind once again, but your spurious facts and opinions still appear in quotes. Aside from hijacking a thread about a moral issue, why must it be this way for you and about you? (Rhetorical question, pls do not respond). Soon as you entered the conversation it became the sickening back and forth once again.
Proving what? Does it change the death of 21, mostly 10 yr olds? What difference does it make that people are killed with knives, too?
Enough is enough and that goes for those here who think teachers should be armed. You had an actual teacher here decry such a thing. You really want an elementary or high school teacher, whose profession is to teach children, to train in lethal weaponry so they can stand toe to toe wielding a pistol against a maniac with a weapon of war? Or should they be armed with Kalisnikov’s, too? Holy shit, have we all gone stark raving mad?
Look, it’s pretty simple to get started, tho those who want nothing to change want it to seem complex, and unlegislatable… mental illness, arming teachers, savage knifings and all… even a sociological idiot such as myself, can see that there are simple things to be done:
1.Universal background checks.
2. 21 years minimum to purchase a gun.
3. Ban on assault weapons which have no use other than as a weapon of war for mass killing in seconds.
4. Ban on high capacity magazines.
This is a moral issue in a country that is increasingly amoral and immoral. Any rationalizing that tries to justify these hideous crimes… like what about all the schools where nothing has happened… these rationalizations are the product of demented thinking, and I have come to learn a bit about dementia recently,. But dementia as a result of illness is quite different than purposeful dementia utilized by slaves to money, power, an unhinged, moronic, sense of personal entitlement, or armchair expertise about everything great and small.
All those rationalists whose only response to barbaric savagery is “our thoughts and prayers are with the bereaved” aren’t worth the dna they are printed from.
So glad we can Ignore people on this forum.
So am I. But I’m also addressing the issue instead of running away from it.
LL, we are both entitled to our opinions. I provide facts. Unfortunately, facts don’t seem to be popular when it comes to issues like this.
There are already background checks for gun dealers making sales. It is not possible or constitutionally defensible for the Federal government to require individuals to perform background checks on private sales of arms to other individuals. Some states do require this of individuals. It’s a State matter.
There’s no constitutional argument to be made supporting a 21 year old limit when 18 year olds can be drafted and sent off to war.
Define what is an “assault weapon”. That doesn’t exist. It is a Leftist term of propaganda. What does exist are automatic, semi-automatic and single shot firearms. Fully auto arms are already highly restricted. https://gun.laws.com/weapons/automatic-weapons
Regarding high capacity magazines: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/federal-court-rules-against-california-s-ban-high-capacity-magazines-n1236791
You cannot legislate morality. One can only deal with reality or choose not to.
If you cannot learn to respect the opinions of others without resorting to personal insults and questioning their sanity, mine in particular, I invite you to never respond to me again. And I will continue to respect you as a fellow human being and for having an impassioned opposing opinion.
@NeuM: as discussed earlier in this thread and elsewhere, the Second Amendment has nothing to do with a personal right to gun ownership. It was entirely about states being able to maintain their own armed militias (which at the time were primarily in slave-owning states where their role was focused on preventing slave rebellions).
If you think the U.S. has nothing to learn from elsewhere, you are simply incurious. Our gun deaths have skyrocketed as guns have become easier to purchase.
The majority of Americans want to implement regulations to reduce our gun death epidemic.
We can learn things from places that aren’t identical to the U.S. by using our brains.
p.s. You may disagree with a Steve Kerr’s views on guns. That does not make him an idiot.