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Texas 25th May 2022
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For the record, things are already pretty safe in the US, despite over-reported occasional acts of terrible violence.
I sat in the park this afternoon.
The Sun was shining.
There were no bombs in the sky.
There were no sounds of gun fire.
There were smiles on peoples faces including mine.
There isn't much point pointing the finger at
other countries when clearly the problem is within your shores.
I'm a lifelong teacher.
There will be no day I ever walk into a classroom with a gun in my hand.
The only thing your children will be learning is fear.
I pity you if you believe that arming teachers is the answer.
This thread was supposed to be about remembering
and publicly grieving for 21 people who died not
about your right to bear arms which perpetuates violence.
The caveman grew up a long time ago.
All it takes is for a couple teachers to lose their marbles, have a bad day then it's lets arm all the students too. There is no perfect. But yah 7 weapons per person, plenty for the kids too... right?
We will have to disagree there. I'd like my kid to be as safe from gun violence at school as the UK is at least.
You forgot that a large number of the people who were trespassing there (according to the law) were actually invited in with no opposition.
If you had been a teacher in that classroom, I guarantee you would have given anything to be armed at the time to protect your life and the lives of every one of those kids.
Invited by who? I would think that if the riot cops are trying to block the way, and the doors are barricaded, with armed guards pointing their guns at me, that maybe the alleged invitation has been rescinded and its time to leave?
Like, was anyone invited to break the window and crawl through it? Did the drawn guns look like an invitation to come in?
it was pretty nuts seeing those guards move those gates. Wonder what happen to those guys? (cough
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But they aren’t safe from “knife violence” or from a lunatic driving a truck into a crowd of people, right?
All quit or were fired or committed suicide, according to reports.
Since it was quoted into my timeline: my absolute conviction is that one must be an American to even consider this position as anything other than absolute bonkers. Being American is probably not a sufficient condition in itself, but if you're from any other developed nation it's a non-starter. 🤷
You, my fellow forum members from the US, live in a remarkable country.
Have you watched video of what happened? A large number of people were never violent during the trespassing. The violence was limited to the aggressive bunch who first broke windows, assaulted guards and knocked down barriers. Those who were further back just walked in, likely unaware of what was going on in front.
Are knives generally less lethal or more lethal than guns like the AR 15?
Trucks are not made to kill like guns are, but even in NY the total deaths was 8. much less than Uvalde. And I imagine it's a lot harder to ram a truck into a school and drive it around the hallways.
Ever heard of students attacking teachers? That happens.
Oh it is bonkers. Bonkers makes bonkers covered in bonker sauce. I can't help but see the country as a slow motion Titanic sinking into the ocean. People scrambling up the tilting deck thinking 'I'm latched onto this railing for the next twenty years or so... I'm fine, I'm fine...'
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I wonder how one misses riot police trying to hold crowds back and all that chaos while just sauntering in. Sorry, but I don't buy that for a second.
There are many instances in the UK of (mostly religious radicals) driving trucks into crowds.
I've seen it.
Strange, but it looked like some were politely walking through like it was a museum tour while others were running around throwing trash on things. These were not your average thinkers.
Familiarize yourself with our Bill of Rights. Our constitutionally guaranteed individual rights exist as a restraint against tyrannical government. Our Constitution is a legal agreement between our States. When the Federal government can no longer be trusted to carry out its constitutionally limited functions, it can be dissolved by the States. The power in the US lies with the individual, not the government.
Just because it happened doesn’t mean I approve of any of them doing it. All of the people there rioting were breaking the law and should face prosecution… for rioting and for trespassing. And anyone who attacked a guard should face additional assault (or attempted murder) charges. I don’t know of any who should be charged for insurrection. At no point was an actual insurrection possible.
I'm aware of that. But trucks serve other useful purposes like transportation that guns just don't. Guns are just for injuring. I sense a false equivalency.
Guns are multipurpose, just like trucks.
There's no much of a purpose to a gun other than shooting at things and destroying them.
Oh, and I guess opening cans maybe?
This is nonsense, since 2006 there have been 4.
3 by Islamic Terrorists and 1 by a Right wing Terrorist.
It’s far from the number you’re inferring by the use of the term “many”.
Oh and a quick comparison with the US shows they had 5 in the same time period…
I agree, I'm just saying that reducing the number of legal guns in a society doesn't necessarily stop criminals from having guns.
However, I do believe that it would stop tragedies like school shootings...
Don't follow the ghoul into the mud. Nineteen children dead and he's trying to confuse the issue by relitigating a failed insurrection and the tragic (but not surprising) death of a woman at the front of a violent mob who is trying to climb through a broken window and directly disobeying an order from a law officer with a gun pointed at her.
Uvalde is a turning point, and he and all the other gun fetishists know it. Ninety percent of the American public supports universal background checks. Only around 20 percent of Americans even own a gun. I have no problem with people who like to hunt or those who need protection. But we all know there is no reason to own a weapon of war.
I know you’re trying to be funny by making absurd arguments, but they also exist to PREVENT violence. A crazed gunman who wants to die attacks a bunch of armed people. A weak coward who wants to commit violence unopposed goes for unarmed targets.
If there were nutjobs murdering politicians though, which I assume could have happened, that could have potentially touched off a series of events with others taking advantage of the general chaos / media smokescreen that would have ensued for much longer after the fact. So maybe attempted insurrection. I mean you can attempt to murder someone and be really bad at it and fail.
I think that the most impactful solution could be going after the gun manufacturers, but you know, politicians have to eat too.