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Texas 25th May 2022
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So how come places like UK haven't had a mass shooting of this magnitude since 1996, but here with all the guns, we have had at least three in less than a year?
I know of no plans to commit murders on that day. I mean, it’s possible, but from all reports the rioters were not armed unless you count flags and sticks.
Most gun deaths in the U.S. aren't from career criminals using guns in the act of committing a crime. A shocking number of them are suicides, angry people pulling out their gun to kill their spouse or neighbor, kids playing with guns their parents have not stored safely. The gun cultists want people to be afraid of criminals so that they will buy more guns -- and many of deaths in the U.S. each year are simply the result of people having had a gun handy.
When you say things like “gun cultists” your comments devolve into ridiculous conjecture.
Googled and skimmed and no real fact checking on my part. Could be something... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-protest-cases-insight-idUSKBN29J2V8
But yah that dude chanting Nancy in the hallway like Freddie Krueger was pretty freaky. Wasn't there a gallows outside too? https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-15/prosecutors-capitol-rioters-intended-to-capture-and-assassinate-elected-officials
Anyway, probably reached my OT limit.
Not conjecture. It is my characterization of a certain American subculture which I believe has a cult-like attachment to firearms.
It is my characterization of those people that have a belief that guns represent freedom and that we need more guns to make us safer and who oppose nearly any proposed restrictions and regulations related to firearm ownership and use. Those people that believe that the right to own military grade weapons is an essential exercise of their freedom -- who celebrate personal ownership of assault weapons,....
Is it fair to say you are part of a synth cult? Get real, man.
Every one of those points indicate to me you aren’t the least bit familiar with our Second Amendment or with existing gun laws.
I definitely am.
But seriously, I just hope we can find some sort of compromise as a country and do something. It can't all stay the same until the next cycle of violence.
Need to sign-off.
Yes, the compromise is to have armed guards who actually show up for the job.
Barring that (or supplementary to that) armed and trained teachers as a secondary line of defense would make all the sense in the world.
Got it. No compromise at all. Just more guns.
Cya all in a different thread.
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Yes, please, let's make our schools like prisons.
Some people in the U.S. are proposing that are schools become like prisons. Rather than have decent regulations so that our kids can go to schools that don't required the presence of guns. Decent regulations so that you don't have to worry whether your angry drunk neighbor will shoot is wife -- or come after you because he thinks you cut him off at a stop sign.
Almost nowhere on earth do schools require so many armed guards. I can't understand why people would rather live surrounded by people with guns -- rather than the way that people almost everywhere else on earth lives.
That is the compromise for public schools. The alternative is privatize all schools and have them individually responsible for security.
Schools without armed guards are soft targets for sociopaths. That is just reality. Even though these are rare events, they need to be headed off. And the good news is most schools already have guards. The one in Texas had a guard, but for some reason he was not there and he has been spinning a series of lies to explain his absence.
Also, no one cares what other countries do. That’s their concern.
Okay, this specific diversion will probably not be repeated.
“ United Kingdom
Vehicles were been used to plow into pedestrians in the United Kingdom twice last year, including a June 2017 attack on London Bridge that killed eight people and a March 2017 attack on Westminster Bridge where four pedestrians and one police officer were killed. Suspects in both attacks were shot dead by police and have been investigated for ties to terrorist organizations.”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/23/list-fatal-vehicle-attacks/544603002/
Time to ban all cars. And let’s not forget knives, clubs, fists…
No.
The situation wouldn't have escalated so far.
What is that supposed to mean? Magical thinking doesn't work in the real world.
Hopeful question, what makes you "optimistic" about this one? Why do you think it will not be just another Sandy Hook or Columbine, resulting in a temporary increase in the amount of thoughts and prayers but having no long-term effect whatsoever?
I hope it’s abundantly clear that the reason this thing went on for so long and why so many kids were allowed to be murdered was because the armed guard who was supposed to be on duty was not at his post. The killer acquired all of his arms and equipment legally and he was not on any watch lists. Everything before the attack could not have been prevented, only actions taken during the attack and mistakes made are what matter.
So sounds like a) armed guards vs b) remove all guns from the US. (I have eliminated options requiring time machines and crystal balls.)
Steve Kerr, who is a heroic basketball figure in the US and the coach of the Golden State Warriors (currently in the playoffs against the team from Dallas), used his pregame press conference to talk about Uvalde. It feels like an inflection point when a popular sports figure can speak like this. His words carry weight.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33979219/warriors-steve-kerr-delivers-impassioned-plea-gun-control-texas-school-shooting-get-numb-this
I’ll keep saying this. The armed guard who was supposed to be there wasn’t. And a series of lies were told to the press to defend him. They need to get this sorted out and charge him and/or the school administrators if necessary.
@NeuM : “No one cares what other countries do”
Anyone interested in finding solutions to problems SHOULD be interested in examining places that have solved a problem or don’t have the problem in the first place.
Steve Kerr was calling for removing police from schools last year. He’s a terrible person and an idiot.
Yes, let’s waste time and energy focusing on a bunch of nonsense that has no relevance to the US.
Oh yes I've seen it. I wasn't aware it carried such weight. Well, here's hoping.
You're so desperately clinging to your gun cult worldview, it's almost heartbreaking to see.
It does look a little unique...
Studying effective solutions is not wasting time. If you believe that what other people do is totally irrelevant and that nothing is to be learned from places that have solved problems, I don’t know what to say. America is not some utterly unique place with nothing to learn.