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Looks like FCP and LP coming to iPad

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  • I've never used the desktop version. Is it worth it if you have Cubasis, Zenbeats, Loopy Pro and Koala?

  • @NeuM said:

    I've only begun to scrape the surface of Sculpture and find it loaded with possibilities. It's such a great piece of software.

    Same here, actually.
    My main “opposition” @Gavinski is about the notion that Sculpture’s the first great PM synth on iPadOS. After all, it’s getting long in the teeth. And other PM synths do more in terms of control/expression.
    My biased perspective is that I’m primarily a windcontroller player. What I can do in GeoShred, Respiro, and SWAM Instruments is much more fitting than what Sculpture does. And, clearly, keyboardists really love Pianoteq for what it can do.

    Contrary to the potential “side-effect” I was mentioning, I’m pretty sure that Sculpture on iPad won’t prevent AAS from releasing more of its offerings on our beloved platform. Verge has likely been disappointed with Objeq. It could become a cool plugin for LP users. And all the PM synths in AAS’s collection would fit unaddressed niches on iPad, even with Sculpture around.
    (My dream would be for those synths to support MPE. As many people have realized, there’s a special connection between PM synthesis and polyphonic expression. If I remember correctly, Sculpture does support a form of MPE. At the same time, I haven’t heard of MPE patches for Sculpture.)

    Maybe Surge XT is next, among desktop plugins going AUv3? For now, it only does very limited PM. Yet there’s enough traction behind the project that it could easily become a useful PM synth.

  • @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    To answer both of these, I'd say that Logic doesn't bring much that doesn't exist in some form or another on iOS, but it'll be the only place to get everything all in one place. NS2 has those two particular features but lacks others. There is no single piece of software on iOS/iPadOS that is even close to feature parity with Logic Pro.

    Lots of music software makes this claim, but in this case it's actually perfectly reasonable to say that (at least with the desktop version) you can make a release-ready track using nothing but what is built-in to Logic.

    Aside from that I'm really looking forward to seeing what the cross-platform workflow looks like. It was pretty good with GarageBand on iPad, but using GB feels like riding a bike with training wheels once you've been using Logic. And the ability to take a project, work on it on the desktop, and then take it back to iPad to work some more is huge, IMO.

  • edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    Is NanoStudio 2 available on desktop?

    No. And you can't resell it :smiley:

  • @drez said:

    @NeuM said:

    @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    Is NanoStudio 2 available on desktop?

    No. And its not you can't resell it :smiley:

    LOL.

  • Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

  • @dendy said:

    @alecsbuga said:
    O M F G!!! FINALLY

    Dude, 50$ / year sounds a lot, but... it's LOGIC bro. And it looks like it's 1:1 with the desktop version + more... not a neutered version.

    Also... you get a shit ton of updated content. So yeah... it's pennies actually.

    imagine you look back in 2033 and realise you payed $500 to apple for using it .. at least, most probably a LOT more cause i guess they will periodically increase subs price once per 2-3 years to count with inflation …

    subs is trap, they can anytime increase price and you will do shit about it, you will be forced to pay otherwise you loose access to your projects

    people here usualky swear when they loose access to $10 app after 10-12 years - looking forward how they will swear when, after 2-3 years and payed total $150 in subs apple decides to increase price from 3.99/m to let’s say 9.99/m or 19.99/m 😂

    So people who simply can’t afford to stump up $2-300 upfront should be excluded from ever enjoying such apps? That’s what it sounds like

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

    Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @echoopera said:
    2023 is the year iPad went Pro for real.

    Let’s make the platform proud now 😉

    For me it’s 2022 when Serif Labs released Affinity Suite in version 2.0 on iPad - Photo/Designer/Publisher - three supergreat apps, and, with no subscription…

    This is true too...that was a big big moment for Design on the iPad....

  • @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

  • edited May 2023

    I’m okay with the two weeks we have to let the subscription drama wear itself out…but once LP for iPad drops..its game time

    …meanwhile I’m on an app deleting frenzy…oh how cathartic

  • @Gavinski said:

    Or pay a monthly sub and just mix them all down to audio. I’d prefer a one-off purchase too, but…

    You don’t lose anything. The fact that there is a monthly sub is great. Forget about it, come back years later, get a one month sub, mix all your stuff down to audio.

    That’s a great way to look at it, much like many filmmakers rent cameras and lenses for a project, there’s nothing stopping you from doing the same with Logic here. It might even focus your workflow better…

  • edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

    Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

    I will never rent software. And the fact that they are doing it on iOS means it is surely coming to their macOS software too.

    And I can't use any of their desktop software anyway because they only support the most recent operations systems, so if you are the kind of user who likes to get a stable system and upgrade cautiously, the only time you can really buy their desktop software is when you upgrade your computer, and that is the worst possible time to have to shell out additional funds. It's all just more reasons hate Apple. It means very little for me personally because I don't like or use Logic or FCP anyway. But the slippery slope towards software rental... And the fact that people have already been conditioned to started accepting this kind of thing as normal.. So depressing. But whatever. If it works for some people.. It's just not what I was expecting or what I hoped for. Garage Band is FREE, so I would have imagined maybe $49.99 (one time) for Logic on iOS. It's already the cheapest DAW on desktop. Or if they offered the iOS version FREE to desktop Logic users... That was more what I was hoping for.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

    Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

    I will never rent software. And the fact that they are doing it on iOS means it is surely coming to their macOS software too.

    And I can't use any of their desktop software anyway because they only support the most recent operations systems, so if you are the kind of user who likes to get a stable system and upgrade cautiously, the only time you can really buy their desktop software is when you upgrade your computer, and that is the worst possible time to have to shell out additional funds. It's all just more reasons hate Apple. It means very little for me personally because I don't like or use Logic or FCP anyway. But the slippery slope towards software rental... And the fact that people have already been conditioned to started accepting this kind of thing as normal.. So depressing. But whatever. If it works for some people..

    I couldn't agree with you more.

  • edited May 2023

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    @drez said:

    @gregsmith said:
    Can we stop being Debbie downers about subscriptions and talk about what features LP has that we haven’t seen on iOS yet?

    Tempo tracks? Time sig changes mid song? Stuff like that?

    Nanostudio2 has both of these.

    So does AE and Multi track studio along with audio tracks as well.

  • $5 per month is totally reasonable. Also totally reasonable: hating subscription models. It’s not hard to figure out why. Either way, $5 is the best case scenario I could hope for as a sub price for a full Logic.

  • @FriedTapeworm said:
    $5 per month is totally reasonable. Also totally reasonable: hating subscription models. It’s not hard to figure out why. Either way, $5 is the best case scenario I could hope for as a sub price for a full Logic.

    It's shockingly cheap considering who we're talking about. It works out at just under 14 cents a day.

  • No software subscriptions for me, no matter how cheap. Waves tried it and had to back down, Apple won’t because they’re big enough to not have to listen.

  • The $50 per year is probably just to discourage people from spending all day at the Apple Store playing around with it .

  • You know who I think is gonna have a crazy response to this? Image Line . They’re gonna come out w FL for iOS I have a feeling

  • edited May 2023

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

    Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

    I will never rent software. And the fact that they are doing it on iOS means it is surely coming to their macOS software too.

    And I can't use any of their desktop software anyway because they only support the most recent operations systems, so if you are the kind of user who likes to get a stable system and upgrade cautiously, the only time you can really buy their desktop software is when you upgrade your computer, and that is the worst possible time to have to shell out additional funds. It's all just more reasons hate Apple. It means very little for me personally because I don't like or use Logic or FCP anyway. But the slippery slope towards software rental... And the fact that people have already been conditioned to started accepting this kind of thing as normal.. So depressing. But whatever. If it works for some people.. It's just not what I was expecting or what I hoped for. Garage Band is FREE, so I would have imagined maybe $4.99 (one time) for Logic on iOS. It's already the cheapest DAW on desktop. Of if they offered the iOS version FREE to desktop Logic users... That was more what I was hoping for.

    But if none of this affects you, then why such a reaction? Apple is moving into subscriptions and that’s not going to change. I swore I’d never pay for a subscription for Adobe’s software (and so far that has held), but in terms of relative value… I can live with this offer from Apple. I’ve been using Logic Pro on desktop during the free evaluation period and now I can see why people love using it. I get it now. And if Apple made a Logic Pro subscription on iOS available for $99/year I think I’d still consider it.

  • @el_bo said:

    @FriedTapeworm said:
    $5 per month is totally reasonable. Also totally reasonable: hating subscription models. It’s not hard to figure out why. Either way, $5 is the best case scenario I could hope for as a sub price for a full Logic.

    It's shockingly cheap considering who we're talking about. It works out at just under 14 cents a day.

    And way more value than Disney Plus, or other sub models in my opinion.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

    Logic Pro for iPad would never have been developed if the business case tried to price it at $4.99 for purchase…
    Would that have been a good thing?

  • @Telstar5 said:
    The $50 per year is probably just to discourage people from spending all day at the Apple Store playing around with it .

    "This is not a library! You gonna buy that iPad Pro or not!?!"

  • edited May 2023

    Hello all. Discussion's hot. Let's flame. Like in old discussion groups!

    If this app has Pro in its name, I guess that means an app for professionals. A professional will calculate how much he will invest and how much he will earn. If it pays off, he will subscribe. I use the iPad as a sound module, and with the exception of the B-X3 from IKM, as the organ is a secondary matter for me, over the price of the needed application I never thought about, if it was really needed.

    VoytecG

    P.S. And it's not "on" yet. Let's wait for the YouTubers. And for the first voices of professionals. And what about Mainstage for us?!?!?!

  • @Lady_App_titude said:
    Hell freezes over and then goes straight to hell! Subscription only?
    Hell no! Go to hell, Apple!

    And award for the most emotional anti-subscription comment goes to...

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

    $1/week is nothing. People spend more money on more foolish things on a weekly basis like cigarettes.

    I normally hate subscriptions for production apps (Adobe 👀), but this isn't some barebones DAW we're talking about but a full professional music production suite with tons of synths, instruments, internal plugins, samples, etc. And thank goodness it won't be a flat fee of $100-$200 or more so I can test the waters to see if it's worth it.

    It's your right to not participate in paying a subscription, but goodness. Calm down. It's not the end of the world. 😳

    Right, so I do subscribe to Auxy, and that's a toy compared to Logic Pro. I'm going to end my Auxy subscription, because it's $1 usd more per month than Logic Pro. 😂

  • @zzrwood said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

    Logic Pro for iPad would never have been developed if the business case tried to price it at $4.99 for purchase…
    Would that have been a good thing?

    Sure. We don't need it. We have Cubasis. We have Resolve. I would rather it did not come to iPad than be rental only.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

    Logic Pro for iPad would never have been developed if the business case tried to price it at $4.99 for purchase…
    Would that have been a good thing?

    Sure. We don't need it. We have Cubasis. We have Resolve. I would rather it did not come to iPad than be rental only.

    Sigh. 😂

  • edited May 2023

    I’m with @Lady_App_titude : it’s not the price.

    Very cheap (for now…) but the idea.

    How long do you think now it will be before Logic on Mac becomes rental too? Once they have you, you are stuck. If they choose to hike the price down the line (and they will) , your access to your own work is gone unless you pay the ransom.

    I still hate that they deliberately took away the ability you once had on IOS to make your own backups of apps, and then just killed off any whose devs didn’t want to keep paying their ransom. Remember that? Fool me once…

    Like ‘games as a service’ this is just corporate bullshit to hook you, and turn you into a milsch cow for eternity. What is it that heroin dealers say? Oh yeah:

    ‘the first taste is free.’

    I’ve been thinking of parting ways with the iPad since I saw Molten Music’s stuff on Bitwig on the Surface Pro. Their ‘buy the current version / only pay for the next one if you want the new stuff’ model seems fair, and the bullshit factor of every new IOS update deliberately breaking something has got very old for me.

    Benn Jordan puts it very well.

    This move might just make my mind up.

  • @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @zzrwood said:
    $1 a week, for Logic Pro on an iPad???
    And people are complaining???
    I don’t understand….

    I don't rent anything. It is terrible for the customers. I can't believe that anyone would think $1 a week is a good thing.

    Logic Pro for iPad would never have been developed if the business case tried to price it at $4.99 for purchase…
    Would that have been a good thing?

    Sure. We don't need it. We have Cubasis. We have Resolve. I would rather it did not come to iPad than be rental only.

    Are you seriously suggesting Cubasis is in the same league as Logic Pro?

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