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  • NeuMNeuM

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:
    I guess I’m dumb for sticking with GarageBand then. LOL. ;) I’m ready for what’s next now. It was the unexpected crashing and file damage in GB that was the final straw for me. I'd still like to see Apple do a top-to-bottom refresh of GarageBand (after all, it still serves as one of the very best options for making music and getting ideas down fast on iOS AND on desktop).

    By dumbed down, I mean ... I just hate when Apple makes decision to build in limitations under the idea that it makes for an easier learning curve. Easy learning curve is always a good thing. Sometimes they get it right. But sometimes they really miss the mark. Like if GarageBand only had Markers. I don't think it would make it harder to learn or harder to use. It would make it EASIER to use. (Disclaimer I haven't fired up GB in years. Maybe it does have Markers finally?)

    No, it doesn't have markers. :D

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited May 2023

    @jacou said:
    Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.

    There's no way to tell if it's a lesser version of the software at this point. We have to use it and see for ourselves. They're not saying it's "Logic Lite" or anything like that in the promotional material, so there's really no reason to make such an assumption. In my testing of the desktop version over the last month so far, there are some annoyances I'd like to see addressed and I'm hoping the new version (both iOS and macOS) makes it even easier to use and get ideas down faster and more flexibly. It's already a very sophisticated bit of software, but there is always room for improvement.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    I mean $49 a year would take nearly a decade and a half (or more) to equal the price of Ableton.

  • Lady_App_titudeLady_App_titude
    edited May 2023

    @NeuM said:

    Actually, I don’t think it is a fair point. Apple is not Waves. Their business models are quite different.

    Apple can do things Waves can only dream of. Apple basically single-handedly killed Flash. Apple essentially transitioned the entire music business from CDs to iTunes mp3 and now streaming. (I do not subscribe to Apple Music, or any music stream service, BTW). Basically god-like industry power. If they can succeed in normalizing music software renting, the flood gates are open. That's why I find it so depressing. Yes, you can argue it's all going to go sub eventually, but I've been encouraged we customers have been able to hold out as long as we have, especially the renting of music software has been decidedly unpopular. The recent Waves showdown felt particularly empowering for the consumer. But fighting Apple. It's like taking on the IRS.

  • Danny_MammyDanny_Mammy

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    I mean $49 a year would take nearly a decade and a half (or more) to equal the price of Ableton.

    people aren't necessarily complaining about the price tag, a lot of people don't like subscription based models.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited May 2023

    I like that others aren’t into the subscription model either. When I saw everyone just saying “YES PLEASE” to not even knowing what we’re getting and foregoing what we have ….for a subscription model ???

    Nah, thats like saying, You know this car I bought in 2020? It’s kind of old and used up now….I own it free and clear and I own the title and registration etc BUT I’m going to trade it in for a temporary, monthly LEASE of the same exact current model (as Logic Pro as it is offers ALLL i will ever need in a daw), and if i can afford it, then oh well…..

    Apple has enough money, they didnt need to pull a Pro Tools on us EVEN IF $50 IS fair, on an arguable level, but I dont like subscriptions and justifying it in anyway especially before trying the software seems just too blind of a commitment, and subs are a “boooooo” for me right away.

    but anyway, just saying, i will just use Ableton Live 11 and old LP 10.7 most likely. Audioscope+Cubasis (and i also have Drambo, BM3, and ofc GB), I also stopped updates at iOS 16 so I think ill stop now before they block my software from opening

    It sucks because I bought an M1 silicon JUST in case this would happen, and it happened in the worst way. I would much rather pay $200 again upfront when I have it, sorry but Im not in a financial position to just say, “oh ok apple, yeah take more money from me”

    You know what though man? To each their own. If it works for you, and you can afford in perpetuity good.

  • RajahPRajahP
    edited May 2023

    @thesoundtestroom said:
    @Gavinski I don’t know about you Gav, but I’m a bit overwhelmed this month🤪😂

    And it is only the 9th of May.. Now we must brace for all the Desktop Developers to port..

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Lady_App_titude said:
    Just terrible. Absolutely awful news. And the fact that they would attempt their first foray into software renting on iOS, the most cost-effective platform... A dark day indeed. :(

    Still not clear to me how any of this is a bad thing. Maybe you could explain your point of view with a little more detail?

    I will never rent software. And the fact that they are doing it on iOS means it is surely coming to their macOS software too.

    And I can't use any of their desktop software anyway because they only support the most recent operations systems, so if you are the kind of user who likes to get a stable system and upgrade cautiously, the only time you can really buy their desktop software is when you upgrade your computer, and that is the worst possible time to have to shell out additional funds. It's all just more reasons hate Apple. It means very little for me personally because I don't like or use Logic or FCP anyway. But the slippery slope towards software rental... And the fact that people have already been conditioned to started accepting this kind of thing as normal.. So depressing. But whatever. If it works for some people.. It's just not what I was expecting or what I hoped for. Garage Band is FREE, so I would have imagined maybe $4.99 (one time) for Logic on iOS. It's already the cheapest DAW on desktop. Of if they offered the iOS version FREE to desktop Logic users... That was more what I was hoping for.

    But if none of this affects you, then why such a reaction?

    I explained that in what I said. Because it is attempting to normalize software renting, and apparently that is working, if people think such a thing is a good idea. I hope that it fails massively like it did for Waves. But Apple has mighty, despot-like power, so they can dictate a lot of direction for the industry. Depressing. But just my opinion.

    But can you sell your ios music apps?

  • FriedTapewormFriedTapeworm

    @NeuM said:

    @FriedTapeworm said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jacou said:
    I do have the same feelings about subscriptions. Even though it’s only 5 dollars / month it will add up. Adding Final Cut and the 5 will become 10 adding iCloud storage and the 10 become 20… and so on.
    Well in the end it’s still doable but the moment I stop paying I don’t have any more access. No more Logic, Final Cut, iCloud storage. And then I do have a problem.
    Having a once off payment might be expensive for a month. But at least after that I can relax and feel save with my software.
    Oh well. My ideal solution would be rent to own. Either once off payment or paying for 1 or 2 years and then owning.

    Can I avoid buying $5 worth of something a month so I can have access to Logic Pro on an iPad Pro? Yes, I think I can swing that. Even if money is tight (and where is it not these days?), I can swing $5 a month. I daresay anyone who wants to use this on their $1,000+ iPad Pro will be able to find a way to make it work.

    True, but that doesn’t make it a good model for the customers.

    Would you rather spend $200 now or $50 every year for four years? Because you get 4 full years of “software rental” doing it this way. And it’s even less if you only occasionally use it.

    How much are people paying for the pro version of Midjourney right now to create artwork? Have you gone out to dinner or to a movie recently? Know how much it costs for those thing? How much are people paying… every single month… for their phone bill? Or their cable bill? I don’t know about you, but I get FAR more value out of using my music recording and production software than I do with my cable TV.

    In any event, people have to decide for themselves what they are willing to pay for, or not.

    $200 now for sure. It’s less money, as long as you keep using it. If you offered to pay me $200 right now, or $5 per month in perpetuity, I would choose the latter. Apple knows it’s more money as well, which is why they are choosing the latter. It’s not going to stop me from purchasing Logic, assuming it is the full daw, I’m just saying it’s not a better model for the customer. I guess the exemption would be a person who purchases it, and ends up not using it for very long.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @Danny_Mammy said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    I mean $49 a year would take nearly a decade and a half (or more) to equal the price of Ableton.

    people aren't necessarily complaining about the price tag, a lot of people don't like subscription based models.

    I mean yeah who does? But this is an insane value proposition for what you get. The Pianoteq thread was full of people also complaining that it was too expensive out right. So how do you please everyone? You can’t.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Agreed all around. Kinda disappointed at some of the comments in this thread but overall the vibe seems to be more of excitement. I’m stoked that this is happening. I haven’t used Logic in ages but I’m definitely going to at least test the hell out of it for that first month. I could see AUM for jams and Logic for everything else becoming my go to workflow.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @HotStrange said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Agreed all around. Kinda disappointed at some of the comments in this thread but overall the vibe seems to be more of excitement. I’m stoked that this is happening. I haven’t used Logic in ages but I’m definitely going to at least test the hell out of it for that first month. I could see AUM for jams and Logic for everything else becoming my go to workflow.

    Same here. Or even my producing loops in Gadget and laying them out in Logic Pro. :) Or just sticking with Logic Pro for production work and AUM for my Ambient jams.

    Oh by the way...here's a list of producers who use Logic Pro...

    https://equipboard.com/items/apple-logic-pro

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @pepebaõ said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.)

    This looks like advertainment (just kidding 😄)

    Noooooo. 😏 Why that couldn't be further from the truth, lol. /sarcastic_humour

  • NeuMNeuM

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Speaking as a GarageBand user since day one, and me knowing almost nothing about Logic Pro, I’ve been able to knock out about a dozen different songs using LP so far in a month. I still don’t quite know what I’m doing, but even I am making a go of it. ;)

  • NeuMNeuM
    edited May 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Agreed all around. Kinda disappointed at some of the comments in this thread but overall the vibe seems to be more of excitement. I’m stoked that this is happening. I haven’t used Logic in ages but I’m definitely going to at least test the hell out of it for that first month. I could see AUM for jams and Logic for everything else becoming my go to workflow.

    I’m still very curious to find out what they have planned for MainStage. I doubt they forgot about it as they were updating LP for both iOS and macOS.

    And I’m also very curious what kind of integration they have planned for Final Cut Pro for audio coming from Logic Pro and referenced within FCP.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @cyberheater said:
    I'm hoping that a lot of the desktop only boys will now migrate stuff to iPad. I'm looking at you Uhe/Softube etc...

    Please Uhe. I need it lol.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Speaking as a GarageBand user since day one, and me knowing almost nothing about Logic Pro, I’ve been able to knock out about a dozen different songs using LP so far in a month. I still don’t quite know what I’m doing, but even I am making a go of it. ;)

    I haven’t used Logic in years but I’m ready to dive back in and relearn everything. It’s always been my favorite fully featured DAW.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Agreed all around. Kinda disappointed at some of the comments in this thread but overall the vibe seems to be more of excitement. I’m stoked that this is happening. I haven’t used Logic in ages but I’m definitely going to at least test the hell out of it for that first month. I could see AUM for jams and Logic for everything else becoming my go to workflow.

    I’m still very curious to find out what they have planned for MainStage. I doubt they forgot about it as they were updating LP for both iOS and macOS.

    And I’m also very curious what kind of integration they have planned for Final Cut Pro for audio coming from Logic Pro and referenced within FCP.

    Oh yeah I didn’t even think about that. Wonder if they’ll save it for next year to keep us on our toes 😂 it’ll be hard to abandon AUM though.

  • CamblerCambler

    I'm happy this is coming to iPad, merely so transfer across to Logic on desktop for projects is relatively seamless. The problem with subscriptions however is not around the value of this single product but the additive effect of all the other developers and service providers who decided a sub model was a good idea. I guess the best approach is to set it to no renew (is this possible?) and then you'll only pony up when you actually use it rather than just letting it rollover like to many do with streaming services.

  • NeuMNeuM

    @Cambler said:
    I'm happy this is coming to iPad, merely so transfer across to Logic on desktop for projects is relatively seamless. The problem with subscriptions however is not around the value of this single product but the additive effect of all the other developers and service providers who decided a sub model was a good idea. I guess the best approach is to set it to no renew (is this possible?) and then you'll only pony up when you actually use it rather than just letting it rollover like to many do with streaming services.

    On the Apple site they mention monthly and annual pricing. With their other subscription services (such as Disney+, for example) you get advance notice that the subscription is coming up and you have a choice to renew or not.

  • jwmmakerofmusicjwmmakerofmusic

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Speaking as a GarageBand user since day one, and me knowing almost nothing about Logic Pro, I’ve been able to knock out about a dozen different songs using LP so far in a month. I still don’t quite know what I’m doing, but even I am making a go of it. ;)

    See? An excellent point made right here! :)

  • NeuMNeuM

    @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @HotStrange said:
    This is great news and a complete shock to see it happening this soon. Honestly I’m probably gonna get it. I mean $5 or $49 a year isn’t that bad. It seems silly to think it would be anything other than subscription considering the amount of upkeep a DAW needs to stay current. The response to Pianoteq alone proves people would complain about the high price tag, no matter the functionality. So it’s really lose/lose either way.

    Exactly. Like I said above, Logic Pro isn't some basic barebones DAW or a shell of one. It's a whole production suite. And the advantage of the subscription model in this case is I don't have to shell out a ton of money off the bat just to see if it works for me and then ask for a refund if it doesn't. The first month is free. Why the heck not?

    And if Logic Pro doesn't suit my tastes, I lose nothing. No big deal. I still have my other iOS workflows, especially with Gadget 2. (I just released "The Wild West" track produced in Gadget 2 and mastered in Cubasis 3.) I'm already subscribed to Auxy Studio, and quite frankly it hasn't gotten any content or feature updates in eons, so guess which waste of an app is biting the dust if I decide to stick with Logic Pro. 🤣

    Although a good point mentioned above is - Logic Pro will probably have a steeper learning curve, but if I can learn Drambo (which I did), I know I can learn Logic Pro.

    Speaking as a GarageBand user since day one, and me knowing almost nothing about Logic Pro, I’ve been able to knock out about a dozen different songs using LP so far in a month. I still don’t quite know what I’m doing, but even I am making a go of it. ;)

    I haven’t used Logic in years but I’m ready to dive back in and relearn everything. It’s always been my favorite fully featured DAW.

    I have almost no legacy experience with Logic Pro, so I can only really say that my "upgrade" experience has been relatively smooth coming from GarageBand. No major catastrophes so far.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @BerlinFx said:

    @MobileMusicPro said:

    @DanSebPage said:

    @FPC said:
    I've never used a desktop DAW (apart from Cubase on an Atari when dinosaurs roamed the earth) so probably a dumb question but are folks expecting all the things we've been missing?

    Tempo change, time signatures, proper audio and midi routing? Other things?

    A 4/4 time signature logo is shown at the top of the mixer window - that leads me to believe other time signatures are an option

    Logic literally has everything we've been waiting steinberg to implement into Cubasis for YEARS.

    Even more you got all to wonderful lives as Ableton live session , a top pro synth in it Alchemy full version not the very limited in Garage Band, incredible pro FX and compressors it is also a pro mastering tool.

    As a Logic Pro user on Desktop be prepared to spends weeks , months , year to master it for pro production particularly if you are a iOS producer. I use it without any VST as All what you dream is here (destop Logic Pro X) including physical modeling sounds and morphing.

    @gregsmith said:
    Well this is very exciting. I’m lucky and privileged enough to be able to afford 50 notes a year without much thought.

    I also can’t help but feel a bit sad. It’s been fun ‘making do’ for so long and finding (and discussing at length!) workarounds for all the limitations. I have a feeling it’s never gonna be the same again after this. It’s been great living through the golden age of iOS music making with you lot 🥹

    Still, can’t wait to see what this beast is capable of.

    Agreed 😭 I’ll probably be nostalgic for the before times lol but I’m equally as excited for what will now be possible.

  • belldubelldu

    Absolute scenes on the AB forum today!

    https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Absolute%20scenes

    I recoiled when I read subscription too, but its actually not that much if this is a 'proper DAW'.

    I feel a little sad sometimes as I forced myself off Garageband iOS and its ease of use and lovely instruments. If I can now get legacy projects into Logic iOS and have things like a master track then I'd gladly pay the money as otherwise getting stuff out of Garageband iOS is really really hard / time consuming.

    Looking forward to the reviews!

  • NeuMNeuM

    @HotStrange said:

    @cyberheater said:
    I'm hoping that a lot of the desktop only boys will now migrate stuff to iPad. I'm looking at you Uhe/Softube etc...

    Please Uhe. I need it lol.

    As I understand it, U-he is dependent on Steinberg and them updating their frameworks for U-he to be able to keep their software up to date. IMO, they have put themselves in a tenuous position by relying completely on a third party foundation for the life of their software.

  • TarekithTarekith

    I won’t buy unless MKBHD says it’s ok.

    /s

  • NeuMNeuM

    @belldu said:
    Absolute scenes on the AB forum today!

    https://urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Absolute%20scenes

    I recoiled when I read subscription too, but its actually not that much if this is a 'proper DAW'.

    I feel a little sad sometimes as I forced myself off Garageband iOS and its ease of use and lovely instruments. If I can now get legacy projects into Logic iOS and have things like a master track then I'd gladly pay the money as otherwise getting stuff out of Garageband iOS is really really hard / time consuming.

    Looking forward to the reviews!

    After I discovered the Sculpture modeled audio element of Logic Pro for the first time, I was sold. There's no going back after that.

  • Blipsford_BaubieBlipsford_Baubie

    @ervin said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    Awful news. Just plain terrible. I’ve always been able to hide my inability to compete projects by blaming the iOS ecosystem, but not anymore. Now this forces me to take accountability. Bastards.

    As a long-time desktop Logic user, let me reassure you that it is absolutely possible to not ever complete projects in it. Takes a bit of practice at first, true, but then it becomes second nature. Don't lose hope just yet. 👊

    🤣🤣🤣

    You just reminded me why I left Ableton/PC 7-8 years ago: Too many options and that I needed more limitations, 😩😂
    Good ol’ self-sabotage to the rescue.

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @ervin said:

    @Blipsford_Baubie said:
    Awful news. Just plain terrible. I’ve always been able to hide my inability to compete projects by blaming the iOS ecosystem, but not anymore. Now this forces me to take accountability. Bastards.

    As a long-time desktop Logic user, let me reassure you that it is absolutely possible to not ever complete projects in it. Takes a bit of practice at first, true, but then it becomes second nature. Don't lose hope just yet. 👊

    😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • HotStrangeHotStrange

    @NeuM said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @cyberheater said:
    I'm hoping that a lot of the desktop only boys will now migrate stuff to iPad. I'm looking at you Uhe/Softube etc...

    Please Uhe. I need it lol.

    As I understand it, U-he is dependent on Steinberg and them updating their frameworks for U-he to be able to keep their software up to date. IMO, they have put themselves in a tenuous position by relying completely on a third party foundation for the life of their software.

    Oof yeah maybe not the best play there. Probably not nearly as likely as other big names coming to iOS then. Cherry Audio next at bat then 😋

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