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I've used nothing but GarageBand ever since GB came out. I refused to move up to Logic when Apple bought it because it was far too technical and difficult to use. The newer version is far more user friendly. And it looks like it has been improved even more for iOS. I have to assume the desktop version will also be similarly updated, matching function.
I explained that in what I said. Because it is attempting to normalize software renting, and apparently that is working, if people think such a thing is a good idea. I hope that it fails massively like it did for Waves. But Apple has mighty, despot-like power, so they can dictate a lot of direction for the industry. Depressing. But just my opinion.
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agreed! hear hear!
I respect your opinion, I just don't agree. I think Apple has enough at stake that it behooves them to actively continue to develop Logic Pro now. With a massively increased user base (potentially every recent iPad Pro user can become a customer), they'll be doing more to keep the software humming, as opposed to the long stretches of time with zero updates we've been used to for pro-level software.
I'd like to thank the academy, my parents, Tim Cook, and my forth grade teacher Mrs. Weatherby.
I don't.
But whatev. Apple gonna do what they do. I just will resist stuff I don't like, like anyone.
Don’t exaggerate the situation - no one is forcing you to subscribe to Logic Pro…
But, 50 bucks a year is nothing to complain about for an full fledged DAW on iPad…
I don't think you'll find the word "forcing" or anything like that in anything I have said. I disagree that $50 is a good thing, but just my opinion. Best to you.
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Exactly a good point. Nobody is forcing anyone to subscribe or avoid subscribing. ☺️ We all are free to make our own choices.
Please do not attack others in these threads for holding a contrary opinion. Different opinions are OK!
why do people keep bringing up the so called cheap cost? its really not the point when it comes to subscription. the cost can change each year. It can be doubled if the company wishes.
Yes. I just wish they would offer both a paid and sub model like others have (cough, Waves).
When it is sub-only, that's when I find it a depressing trend.
It could be, but Apple doesn't need to. They just have to barely cover the cost of development and to maintain the software. This same theory was applied to the App Store so people would get used to the idea of having millions of apps at low cost available to them. Logic Pro will be a "loss leader" to sell hardware, but to avoid charges of "unfair competition" (which we keep seeing from places like the EU) they are safer to charge for the product than to give it away for free.
Sure. And then everybody could say “that’s too much” and not use it. Then they would make zero dollars on it. People will speak with their cash and they will find out what people will or will not pay and how much they want to make to keep doing it. It’s been going on for years in lots of products.
It’ll either work for Apple or it won’t, right?
Apple don't need to but they can if they want to, each year they can change the price easy. that's the subscription rub.
However price is not the top issue, I want to pay a one off fee for my products. No rentals.
I've actually not used Logic in years, and I hated it when I tried it (admittedly a long time ago). My least favorite DAW at the time.
I would have liked to try it on iPad, but am bummed that I now won't be able to.
But if I did want to use a DAW on iOS, I would use Cubasis.
Where else has Apple done this? Where are the examples of them suddenly springing large price increases on people? They don’t do it because they don’t need to.
It is "currently" inexpensive in my opinion for a full fledged portable DAW and I can' wait to jump in. If in the future it becomes too expensive (doubt it) I will move to something else. Depending on your needs and music you may not need logic - lots of choices on iOS. If my work didn't pay for the entire Adobe creative cloud, I probably would have moved to another editor even though I find Adobe the best for design and production.
I do have the same feelings about subscriptions. Even though it’s only 5 dollars / month it will add up. Adding Final Cut and the 5 will become 10 adding iCloud storage and the 10 become 20… and so on.
Well in the end it’s still doable but the moment I stop paying I don’t have any more access. No more Logic, Final Cut, iCloud storage. And then I do have a problem.
Having a once off payment might be expensive for a month. But at least after that I can relax and feel save with my software.
Oh well. My ideal solution would be rent to own. Either once off payment or paying for 1 or 2 years and then owning.
I own an iPad Pro from 2020 and I don’t own a Mac or MacBook. I don’t have the kind of job where I use a mouse and keyboard all day long, so these days I’m just as efficient at scrolling and tapping on an iPhone/iPad. For these reasons I’m beyond excited about Logic Pro iOS.
It’s great that we will all get to try it free for a month and form our own opinions. Maybe for many of us this will replace Cubasis, AEM, Auria, or maybe not. But it’s nice to have a free month to figure that out, so cheers to Apple for that.
I’m not anti-subscriptions though I tend to stay away from them. I’m slightly disappointed that this will be a sub, but really only because on desktop it’s a one time all in purchase. if I’m not mistaken, on desktop you pay once and it comes with a lifetime of updates, so you always have the most current version? Are there additional add-ons one can buy inside Logic (not third party plugins) that would be available on iOS because it’s a sub model?
I really do wish that you could just one-time purchase Logic on iOS even for the same price as on desktop. But the way I see it, if subscribing monthly or yearly helps Apple continually fund Logic iOS support and bug fixes, then I’m all for it and all in. That being said, it’s not like garageband was always quickly updated. But I am hopeful that this will be the full fledged stable daw we’ve all been waiting for, and the sub model revenue will ensure stability and support. We shall see, but a great day for iOS music nonetheless…
Ah now this is a fair point!
Can I avoid buying $5 worth of something a month so I can have access to Logic Pro on an iPad Pro? Yes, I think I can swing that. Even if money is tight (and where is it not these days?), I can swing $5 a month. I daresay anyone who wants to use this on their $1,000+ iPad Pro will be able to find a way to make it work.
True, but that doesn’t make it a good model for the customers.
Actually, I don’t think it is a fair point. Apple is not Waves. Their business models are quite different.
Sub. Hardest of passes.
Would you rather spend $200 now or $50 every year for four years? Because you get 4 full years of “software rental” doing it this way. And it’s even less if you only occasionally use it.
How much are people paying for the pro version of Midjourney right now to create artwork? Have you gone out to dinner or to a movie recently? Know how much it costs for those thing? How much are people paying… every single month… for their phone bill? Or their cable bill? I don’t know about you, but I get FAR more value out of using my music recording and production software than I do with my cable TV.
In any event, people have to decide for themselves what they are willing to pay for, or not.
I actually never expected we would see Logic Pro on iPad. I was expecting something like GarageBand Pro. And really, if GB just had a few more pro-like features, it would have been a lot more usable. Now it looks like it could be super-high-learning curve Logic vs. too-dumbed-down GarageBand. But we shall see...
I guess I’m dumb for sticking with GarageBand then. LOL.
I’m ready for what’s next now. It was the unexpected crashing and file damage to my projects in GB that was the final straw for me. I'd still like to see Apple do a top-to-bottom refresh of GarageBand (after all, it still serves as one of the very best options for making music and getting ideas down fast on iOS AND on desktop). For the ultimate "ease of use" interface they could even consider offering a Tascam Portastudio multitrack-like interface as an option!
By dumbed down, I mean ... I just hate when Apple makes decision to build in limitations under the idea that it makes for an easier learning curve. Easy learning curve is always a good thing. Sometimes they get it right. But sometimes they really miss the mark. Like if GarageBand only had Markers. I don't think it would make it harder to learn or harder to use. It would make it EASIER to use. (Disclaimer I haven't fired up GB in years. Maybe it does have Markers finally?)
Logic for iPad is definitely not on par with the desktop version. I already can tell by seeing the pictured on the website. It’s a very stripped down version but still very capable and with nice additions. I also like the overall new look. It might take a few more years until it gets anywhere near the desktop version. Also most well established plug-in library and instrument devs still have to make the jump. Maybe side loading in the EU will be a little encouragement. Let’s see. I’m still excited for that first step. A new era for iOS music making.