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This is the point I’m trying to make. This isn’t NI or Ableton’s fault. It’s Apples for not allowing anyone to write custom drivers that talk directly to the hardware bidirectionally. They allow SOME peripherals and mostly generic ones for things that all of these masses might use, but they haven’t allowed anything like that ever for music gear other than audio interfaces because they wrote it. They aren’t allowing companies to roll their own.
So when I see folks upset at Ableton about not making Move a Note controller, I really believe it’s just not possible for Ableton to do so.
Because push and maschine aren’t class compliant. Devices like the Launchpad don’t need a driver.
I don’t understand “…because it’s a midi controller when it doesn’t have a custom driver to take advantage of the hardware.” what aspect of the Launchpad isn’t accessible via their midi programming interface? Manufacturers can make that stuff available without needing custom drivers. NI and Ableton chose not to.
maschine and push are waaaay more advanced than class compliant midi devices. All the UI elements in push…how are you mapping those to midi? Further…why would they even do that? They want you to buy the desktop software. The amount of work they’d have to do to also write midi controller software that then allows you to use it with any other vendors DAW makes no financial sense for them.
Is it not obvious that Ableton only makes hardware to push you toward Live? Is it not obvious that NI makes Maschine to push you toward the NI software suite?
Ableton has 3 developers for an iOS app that costs 7 dollars lol. It’s not about selling enough Note licenses to pay for those 3 devs, it’s about selling the Ableton ecosystem.
If apple ever opens up their driver walled garden, you will see Ableton Live on IPad because then they can also get you with the hardware purchases. Until then, you’ll have sidecar apps like Note that “do enough” to keep you doing something on the go and then pumping that output right back into the Hardware and Ableton Live on desktop.
Further, Novation is only a hardware company that is trying to push hardware for everything. Of course they are class compliant, but their controllers aren’t anywhere near as advanced as native solutions like push or Maschine.
The OS opened up the possibility of custom drivers in iOS 16 with the release of driver kit.
Your original post mentioned Launchpad hence my bringing it up.
I am not arguing that Ableton should open up ; I am just saying one can create devices that don’t require custom drivers . And that the Launchpad , which you mentioned, is an example. That’s all.
Having a dedicated undo button is definitely another thing I like about Move a lot. Wish more gear had that!
I didn’t think the Launchpad was using a custom driver, but just using the generic class compliant driver that apple supports? Or is that incorrect?
My understanding is that iOS 16 opened up the possibility of drivers, but to what extent that support is seems to be limited or companies would be trying to integrate it and we’d have a bunch more hardware iOS supported controller/audio devices on the market. Even some kickstarter or rasp PI based devices from folks, but I’ve seen none of that available.
I use the hell out of this on the push 😂
All hardware needs an undo button, and a randomize button.
That was a good video, fun to watch him get surprised when he realizes things he thought were missing are really there.
Ha. Yeah that was cool. There were a few of those moments. I mentioned a couple of tips in the comments so he probably had a few more moments like that but not recorded. 🤣
A lot of his issues would have been resolved if he remembered the undo button
He’s gotten too used to Elektron machines
Is this basically an Ableton Note controller? Is using my iPad and Note basically the same thing?
Nice demo video here:
It's not an Ableton Note controller, you can't plug it in an iPad and control IOS Ableton note. It is an Ableton live controller.
Ableton Move uses the same software as Ableton note but is less powerful as it can only run 4 tracks, Ableton Note can run 8 tracks and has full GUI coverage.
You can via cloud share your Ios Note projects with Ableton Move and vice versa but only 4 tracks.
Thanks, doesn’t seem to be released here until tomorrow.
So I’m down to a choice of 4 (!): Mini or standard 25 key Launchkey (there’s some really useful extra Live buttons that aren’t on the Mini, though the Mini wins on size), Ableton Move, or wait for a potential sale next month for a Push 3, but that one doesn’t tick my small size box (or budget, really).
Basically I’m waiting for a couple of things before making a decision - more user feedback/vids for using Move as a controller for Live (even in a basic way, that could still be a winner), and Launchkey iOS compatibility. If that can control synths on the iPad, and Holy Grail….Note, then that one ticks almost every box.
I notice in the Ricky vid, he has both!
Aren’t you conflating drivers with scripts?
I think I'm happy with my iPad and Note.
After some consideration I've decided that I'm not going to buy it. The lack of proper midi in/out ports is baffling and makes it very hard to integrate it into my rig.
Looks good for a portable unit though.
It's maybe cool for some who like real rubber pads and knobs, but for me it doesn't make sense since I have a good iPad. It's nice though and it will probably do well.
I do not believe so. There’s a Push display driver that you have to have installed for it to work. The scripts that you are talking about are for user mode, but I’m almost positive that is what ends up.
Are you conflating drivers with Midi Control scripts for Ableton Live?
Would love to know some figures on how people use these types of portable music making devices, as in mostly alone, or mostly connected to other devices. Myself I agree that a certain amount and types of i/o ports are essential for many as we like to connect all our devices in many ways. I think it's the generations growing up with Lego lol - we are not happy with one box when we can put two together!
I'm sure it will be a success due to those that use Live, but for myself, the lack of i/o severely limits the devices use.
The scripts for Push are built into Ableton this controls the functionality via programming, but the basic I/O fundamentally addresses the hardware these are the basic parameters with limited functionality, are controlled via the driver, albeit generic or custom.
This is where I’m at. Would love to use this as part of my hardware set up but I would need either analogue or midi clock. I could use link but that means using the iPad or iPhone, in which case I may as well use note instead
Becomes a bit of a puzzle to solve at times. I only have my iPad, Minilogue XD, Circuit Rhythm and an SP404mk2 all hooked up. At the end of this year I'm getting a Circuit Tracks and a SH4d to add to them. Next year possibly a Korg Wavestate Module too. The cabling alone with midi boxes and angled connectors so that I can squeeze it all in is head scratching at times. As for positioning of the units, I use children's wooden blocks held together with blutac lol
Still using your OG Circuit Andy?
The SH4d is a great synth, it’s certainly got the Roland sound, but is quite unique within that genre.
Yes, heard some great sounds from it even if it is basic in some ways. I mostly make my music on my iPad, but I love just playing my hardware like a home jam but without annoying band mates lol. I'm going to use the Circuit Tracks to sequence some of the SH4d tracks and the Circuit Rhythm to sequence the drum sounds of the SH4d. Playing the Minilogue XD and iPad sounds through the SP404MK2 and Circuit rhythm as fx boxes. That's the plan anyway lol.
Yes it’s sequencer is it’s weakest part, but as a 4 part synth plus a really good drum synth you get an excellent machine, so your suggestion should work extremely well.
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