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FWIW the Product Lead for Move is on their Discord channel and taking feedback and chiming in now and then.
Note has really grown up this past year. I think Move will do the same based on it being an “Irish Twin” to Note.
Here’s a little juice for your day:
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I think too many people expect everything to be this complete package product.
I totally agree with this assessment. It’s a 400 dollar box. People want it to cure musical cancer 😂 it’s a gateway drug to Ableton live. If you want more, buy a push standalone. It’s amazing! And the 12.1 update for push is really good!!
Looks pretty darn sweet to me.
Practically speaking for music making, it’s the office(studio) essentials in a portable tactile box.
If they had made something with 8 tracks and MPE, they would have lost someone like me who just wants a reliable machine to put in the hours on. The price point gets too close to Push if you add any more to Move.
Good point - sold for $400!
This 100%
Not standalone - which is the main appeal of Move - still @1200 difference
Sure but the capabilities of a P3S is light years past Move. It’s not close.
More and more i think about it - more dissapointed i am. This is SO MUCH wasted opportunity
.. i really don't understand why they rotated 90degrees their obvious layout from Live Session view used also on all Push devices, where row is scene and columns are tracks .. if they kept this concept, there will be 8 tracks and it would be in align with all their other products (including Note). This makes no sense in their app/hw portfolio.
Absolutely huge fail for UX team. What a pity.
It’s weird, that’s for sure. Add a couple of arrows to scroll up/down and you’ve got 8 levels of scenes in a workflow Ableton users are familiar with.
I guess the cheap processor they’re using is the obstacle to doing this, but they could be losing a lot of sales as a result.
I don’t see how it would compete with a Push with just those two extra functions. It’d be a nice portable music maker and occasional controller for those of us without one, but it’s a million miles from full Push functionality.
Even without MPE and another 100 quid on the price, I’d have snapped one up immediately with 8 tracks, but I want the ability to tweak synths and patches once it’s transferred to desktop. A couple of synths and a bunch of audio blocks is a workaround too far. I’m no power user, but I still need more than four tweakable tracks.
I’m waiting to see some vids where it’s being used as a controller, as that’s still a potential buy for me, but ironically it’s making the Push 3 controller look incredibly good value for money in comparison!
Mine arrives on Monday.
The machine looks pretty good no doubt about that, I take it over a digitakt 2 for the drum machine/sampler player thing so that's a win, however the lack of full Ableton note parity due to only 4 tracks is a big miss.
The MPE thing well, personally that would have been killer for me, yeah, maybe more money and no go for the marketing department but Move would have been much more intriguing interface. What's way more frustrating is Ableton created this MPE tech, and they aren't even pushing it! (pardon the pun) in their own products so where's the parity there?
anyway, if i had more money i probably pick it up hihih, just can't justify it due to I already have Ableton note which is more powerful and portable and better GUI.
I'll be digging in tonight (so in about 6 hours).
Let me know if you have any questions. I'll try and answer those I can. With pics and vids if possible.
Feels great btw. Build quality is awesome. Good weight to it.
I read some other "first user" opinions and everyone agree that the real power is in the decisions about the workflow and then the seamless connection to Ableton.
This is your view too?
And yes, it seems that is built like a tank.
I want it even though history has shown I'll never use it.
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Thanks. I was curious about the USB-C capabilities with an iPad or iPhone - are you able to sample straight from usb-c? I read that when used as an audio interface it will only accept 44.1. Enjoy!
I've just hooked up the MOVE to Ableton. It took me a few minutes to realise I also needed to set up the MOVE in MIDI devices.
Obvious really but it's not mentioned in the manual.
Initial first 5 minutes: Cool stuff. I hooked up the Move and loaded up a set I had created on the device. The track selection is reflected in Ableton when switching on device. The part I was most keen to see was that the MOVE encoders controlling the Macros in Ableton. Very sweet.
I'll post more on the Ableton control part after I've had more time with it.
Thanks Mike. I believe I read that USB C audio was only one way (out) But I'll check with an audio interface and also switch between 44.1 and 48. I'll update this post in a bit.
Update: Yeah its out only and 44.1
I loved using Circuit (at least in the moment) but having to then solo/record in a daw to get the juice out just killed the spontaneity for me. Having stem export sounds great and I like the retrospective recording aspect a lot. I don't even use Live and this gives me the munchies. Sadly I have other pressing expenses but hope this does well enough to foster a V2,3 etc.
I guess I have lower expectations. Move will let me leave the laptop at home and I have tried a lot of failed alternatives over the years.
I’m also fairly disillusioned by MPE.
Thanks so much for checking! Hope you're enjoying it. I'm going to give it a try and see if it fits in my workflow. I figured I have 30 days and if it's not me then back it goes.
@BroCoast I've started to really like MPE on the P3S. Where i REALLY like it is on Drums. The MPE Kits are sooo cool. Way more expressive. So where normally you have a pad and the velocity at which you hit it might determine which multisample gets triggered. With MPE, I can have a totally different multisample playing when i hit a different part of the pad in addition to the velocity. OR, if i hit the upper part of the pad, i could have it trigger a reverb or something.
The other is playing a fretless bass. Now, if i'm not dead center on the pad, it can be out of tune a bit, more like an actual fretless. And this is "per pad" on a bass patch. So if i'm dead center on one pad, but off a bit on another, the "another" is out of tune. Its great!
I thought it was all a gimmick until i started playing with it more. Now, i use it all the time.
The Push 3 demos got my attention. I’m a big fan of Geoshred and other MPE functional apps. As a guitarist used to bending and sliding notes (and wobbly old analogue synth fiend), the ability to make a synth or sample sound less fixed, and more dynamic/organic, really appeals.
For me, the Move doesn’t sit between Note and Push 3, it sits along side it. Move has features Note doesn’t have, but Note also has a lot of useful extra functionality that Move is missing.
So I still think there’s space for a smaller, MPE, mobile device between Note/Move and the Push 3, with more tracks and functionality than Move currently has. £599? Probably never happen, but I can dream!
I still haven’t ruled out a Move purchase as a desk-friendly controller, so still waiting to see what users come up with. But at only just under half the price of a Push 3 controller, I’m starting to think a Push 3 might be a better long-term investment, and carry on with Note as a mobile ‘sketchpad’.
Just curious about this. The Push 3 is a lot more, and I see the Akai APC64 and it’s closer to the price point of Move. Seems like there are some contenders unless the Move can make itself stand out in some way.
So is a basic iPad model plus Korg Gadget for example. For a lower price, with longer battery life, much less weight, a proper display and labelled knobs for tweaking sound.
But to me the main advantage over Move would be speed. Less scrolling to find the right sound and faster editing of melodies and chords, and no need to learn key combinations.
It's just a little change in software, the used hardware platform (see Raspberry 4) should have plenty of power to handle even more than 8 tracks. Might come as a future enhancement.
@Tarekith
Can a person export stems from this without having Live?
No, via the Move manager there is only the option to render a stereo file of the set, not stems. I ‘think’ Move comes with a copy of Live Lite though if I remember right, so you don’t need to buy it if that’s what you’re worried about.
Ahh crap. I can't install Live Light as it forces itself onto my C drive (even when I specify another drive) which is almost full. Heh, thought I could maybe sneak this in before the new computer.