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Yep, nice pads. Good response and feel great to play.
Anything specific you're wondering about with the Live control?
You seem torn. I’m also intrigued in the same way you are hahaha u r not alone 😜 there must be others
My thing is Ableton is massive and talented so I see the move as a mini big deal/is it a workflow adjustment? Maybe so, for the better? Test/fitting workflows ?
I ALWAYS wanted to make Live happen, so maybe this would be a perfect Intro?
I’m not a big user of the session view, so my requirements are pretty basic - to be able to select a track/instrument while I’m in the arrangement view, and basically play the pads and twiddle the knobs. As Move only has 4 tracks, just wondering if that is irrelevant in controller mode, and you can select any track on your computer that you want to control?
Also audio/MIDI out to Live. Does this require an IDAM connection, or can you simply plug it in via a USB cable and it’s picked up automatically via the audio/MIDI preference section in Live? That’d be handy for playing in samples, and using the Move’s sequencer to play Live instruments.
Plus I’m still on V11 (suite), so wondering about compatibility between devices. I’m going to test a few Note ideas later, and see how they transfer.
Sorry for all the questions - the size and build quality could make this a perfect controller for my needs, the standalone functionality is a bit of a bonus 😀
I love working in Live. I’ve had/tried all the main DAW’s but Live is the one that’s clicked. Even just as a controller (my Launchkey keyboard is too clunky, little Korg keyboard doesn’t have pads or knobs) Move is a very tempting buy. I’d have been happy with a controller only option (with MPE), that’d tick all my boxes. But for an Ableton newcomer, the Move looks like a good introduction.
Wait 6 months let the hype train die down, stock issues sorted. They are currently out of stock in Europe apparently. Let Ableton fix any bugs or hardware issues. ( one or 2 people having powering issues with move not charging properly). See how you feel then if GAS is still strong take the leap. That’s my take on it.
@oldsynthguy - I need to head out now so I'll add more later, but a quick few lines now:
I'm not sure MOVE is the complete Live controller peeps may be after.
You can only select the first four tracks using left side pads, however if you select another track in ableton the knobs will affect the selected track
Audio is direct out to Ableton via USB C however MIDI is a bit of a mare and I'm still trying to figure it out.
Unfortunately I don't see a way to control additional parameter banks, The 8 encoder will control either the 1st 8 macros or the 1st 8 controls of device if no macros assigned.
Which Launchkey are you using and why do you find it clunky?
More later.
Yeah that’s the sensible option 😃
I do have a genuine ‘gap’ in my hardware setup, Live is my main DAW, and I don’t have a suitable controller. I was going to buy the Push 3 when it was released but the price and amount of people reporting issues made me hesitate, and then it went out of stock anyway! I’ve only reconsidered that one since things seem to have stabilised, and there’s a dedicated UK stockist.
Move is still listed as being in stock here, but it’ll inevitably sell out before I make a decision. That’s ok, if there are initial hardware issues it’ll be good to know about them, and maybe there’ll be a Black Friday deal on the Push 3, or even the Move, which will help me to make a more informed decision.
Yer I’m genuinely on the fence with it. I own a Push 2 and that takes care of my controller needs so would only use the Move as a standalone unit most of the time. Our probably dive a lot more into Note and see if that makes my mind up to get one next year.
Thanks for checking 🙂
I’ve got a Launchkey 49 mk2. The connectivity is actually ok, but the keyboard is horrible, and it’s too big for my desk with the computer. Also missing drum pads.
Selecting tracks via Move wouldn’t be a problem, as I’d just do that onscreen with the mouse. Lack of MIDI mapping though sounds a bit of an issue - even my cheap Launchkey can do that, and I’d like to be able to control VST’s and Max devices.
Hmmm…
The current Note beta is really good, almost proper onscreen MIDI note editing.
There is a bundle if you want to migrate to Ableton 12…this can help in the decision. It’s a cornelian choice for me too
(Move is not a controller for note) I’ve been reading about Move and this is the biggest flaw, just don’t get it.
I guess you can’t control Note with a Push either. Right?. Why would you not implement this?. I guess the only reason is you want to sell more Ableton Live licenses. But you need a computer for that.
@tahiche or they just decided it wasn't a priority and they might add it later. But for sure their priority is a workflow that ends up in Live - and to be fair you get a free Live Lite licence to finish your tracks.
Yah, there are a ton of people who want to be DAWless with this sort of stuff but I guess they know Live is a base to build on so they started there. Hopefully marketing ecosystem corporate rules don't have their hooks in the process too cripplingly deep. These things can be updated just like apps these days so i wager a good many things are possible yet.
The hardware shot of what i posted in Note:
Yeah as a main controller for Live you'll definitely be better off with a Launchkey (the new Mk 4's have a nice semi-weighted keybed).
The Move will do enough to complement it's connection with Live and the 4 instrument presets that make up your Set. But I won't be ditching my Launchpads or Launchkeys.
It’s always been the size, and crap keyboard that’s put me off using it, and I’d forgotten the pads could trigger drums as well (though they’re too stiff for proper finger drumming).
I think I need to checkout the 25 key mini v4, since it’s a quarter of the price, before diving into a Move purchase. That could probably control Note too? I’m seriously getting into Note now.
Regarding Launchkey mk 4. Only the 49 & 61 have the semi weighted keys.
A longer playthrough video from Ricky with Move:
Thanks for this - I’ve just watched the loopop vid. I’m totally gobsmacked by how good the mk4’s are, the integration with Live is incredible. I wouldn’t go bigger than 37 keys since space is an issue, so my choice would be between a Mini or mid-range Launchkey, 25 or 37 keys (mid range 25 key looks the best fit, with extra buttons to save menu diving compared to the Mini). Haven’t checked to see what iPad integration is like, but this absolutely covers my desktop Live requirements, and much more. The endless encoders fix the irritating ‘jump’ the mk2 knobs do, too when tweaked.
Really appreciate the Launchkey nudge, I’d be daft spending £400 on a Move just for controller usage when a 25 key Mini LK is only £100. I’ll watch the Ricky vid, but I think I’m sold on the mk 4!
Apologies for derailing the thread!
Yeah sorry folks for the Launchkey derail.
@oldsynthguy There is some crazy cool Ableton integration stuff on the Mk4's. My workhorse is the mk3 88, but I beta tested the mk4's and was super impressed. I'm not sure they'll go with a mk4 88 though.
I bought a used Push (v1) to check what it was about. Pretty fun with BitWig using the Jorgen Moss script thingy. Which is preciously my point. If it can work with a 3rd party app like BitBig or Reaper. How do you justify it not working with Note, being the same company?. There’s no use in iOS for the Push, and I can see the Move is the same.
Can anyone name a dedicated controller that works with a native driver on iOS? Maschine? Launchpad? I’m not talking midi mappable, I’m saying runs natively.
I’m pretty sure there aren’t any. Because you can’t install a driver on iOS, I don’t think.
Yah a lot of companies see mobile purely as a marketing/gateway device not a platform in and of itself.
What do you mean by a dedicated controller and runs natively? If it works, why does it matter if it uses a driver or not? Many apps have integrated the use of the Launchpads and Loopy can use the Akai APC 40
Push works in Live because they have a specific driver that runs for it to do so. Push works in Bitwig because a guy wrote a driver for bitwig that you can do so. Push works in Reason because a guy wrote specific software to be able to do so. All of these work because you can install the middleware on PC to do so.
I’ve never seen anybody write a true control surface driver for iOS so that you can use a hardware control surface that isn’t just MIDI Mapped.
Does the loopy/Apc40 integration use all of the features one for one on the APC40?
I don't know if Loopy's APC integration uses every feature of the APC but it is pretty deep. For the APC and Launchpads all the features can be accessed by MIDI without a driver. As far as I know, all the Launchpad/Live integration is done via MIDI and can be done without writing a driver. The reason that Loopy doesn't offer deeper launchpad integration (fader pages, for example) isn't due to lack of a driver -- just lack of time to implement everything.
Right…because it’s a midi controller when it doesn’t have a custom driver to take advantage of the hardware. In the past 10+ years why has nobody done the same thing to the maschine or push on iOS?
So whilst Move is not your ultimate Ableton Controller, I do want to highlight some of the nice control it has having loaded up a Move Set via Cloud.
Beware the Delete button. This will delete your focused MIDI clip, but no worries as undo is there.
Apple has blindsided many a peripheral company (not just music). It's not a safe platform.
I just picked up a Launchkey mk4 and it's incredible. Highly recommend.