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I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for more than 4 tracks.
Not currently.
I know that everyone is complaining about it only having 4 Tracks.
But if you are a heavy Sample Resample type of producer it’s actually potentially 64 Pads of sounds equalling 256 minutes of audio. If you then tie in 32 Scenes this thing can create a ton of music for a producer.
This is how i see it fitting in my workflow now that i have embraced the Sample Dragon of music creation 🤪
In my mind and thinking about my workflow this is going to fit nicely in my backpack and allow me to do 80% of what i already do on the iPhone in Note and on the iPad in Drambo.
Thanks, this looks better. Do you know if it's possible to trigger more than one sample within a drum rack with the same sequencer step? E.g to trigger a kick and click sound within the same drum kit at the same time.
Yep!
You can call it complaining, i see it as a lot of people being pragmatic. We already have the same software on iOS in Ableton Note which has 8 tracks, bigger screen and better GUI at a cost of 8 euro.
you already have your iPhone on you at all times and it is infinitely more portable than Ableton move. So, you can see people are waying up paying 450 euro for a device with half the power... probably less than that and is much bigger in size.
I'm not knocking the Ableton move, i think it's pretty good. it's just that it could had been amazing and I already have Ableton note which is more powerful.
If Ableton move had 8 tracks or MPE i probably had bought it. If you think about it Move is not fully compatible via cloud with note due to its 4-track limit.
Me too, straight away. And I’d have paid more. 8 tracks for a fast, standalone ideas device, MPE for a cool little desktop controller.
I think after sleeping on it though, there are just too many limitations for my requirements, and Note on iOS is really ticking the boxes now for mobile sketching.
Quite a few places are dropping their prices of the Circuit Tracks and Rhythm at the moment. Shop around and you might be able to get both for the same price (or close) as the Ableton Move. Definitely an option as the two Circuits go reasonable well together.
As for the Ableton Move. I think it looks decent and if you use Live and can see the point. If they add control surface over note and some improved sequencer use, I can see why some would buy one. Personally even with the use of multiple sounds in the drum rack, the track count would bug me now I’ve moved back to a linear DAW.
While the price is ok if you start comparing against some older devices that can be bought discounted, it tends to look slightly expensive - always the problem for new gear. Would I prefer to spend double for an MC707 and get much more for my money, if I’m not bothered about portability? Would I prefer the Circuit options - portability, large track count and great dawless hub for adding gear - downside being some syncing bugs and no easy way to get everything into a DAW.
To be honest, I would prefer Ableton make the Move be a great controller for iPad use and then I would consider it even with the low track count.
So all the 4 tracks drama boils down to insufficent communication, I mean they could have anticipated that they'd get a lot of negative reactions after the announcement.
The leaks actually helped a bit with this, as everyone had been talking about a potential 4 track limit for a few days based on store descriptions and the images that had appeared online.
If Novation make a new version of the Circuit with class compliant audio+midi built in, the Circuit + iPhone/iPad would be a fantastic setup.
The XioSynth that they made like 100 years ago does that today... MIDI keyboard, built in synth, audio interface all in one and it still works perfectly today. A xiosynth in circuit form would make me bust out my credit card in record time.
TbH if they relaunched a XioSynth in a smaller package I'd be all over that too... Mine is a little bashed about now -- I used to use it for gigs. I plugged my Bass guitar into it to play through an amp sim alongside synths and backing drums. It got a few war wounds.
Exactly the same for me. I'm mostly about samples, with two synths max, and one of those will be bass. On the Push, I'm forced to add a whole bunch of extra tracks so I can play samples melodically, plus tracks for resampling.
With the Move, I can sample directly into drum pads, and I can lazy-chop longer samples (hopefully chopping while resampling too — @tarekith is this possible?). I don't have to worry about recording to audio clips because I can't—I'll save that for after importing to Live or the Push.
The most fun I've had making songs has been on the opz and the Digitakt, but I stopped using both because getting the results out of the box and into Live (or any DAW) was such a pain. The kind of busywork a computer should be doing for me.
Ever since I sold my OP-1 F I've dreamed of a box that had better instruments and FX, p-locks, an op-z-style sequencer, and easy export to Live.
The Move looks like it might be just the ticket. Bonus: It will actually be a better control surface than the Push 3 for me, as it's way more portable and I barely use the screen when connected to my Mac.
The only thing I'm worried about is that the pads are as insensitive as the ones on the Push 2. The Push 3's pads are just fantastic.
yep, Push 3 MPE pads are incredible and why it's such a miss on Ableton's side to not include them on Move, it's a tech they created themselves, yet they don't even use it on their new products. I think this was mistake.
There seems to me to be a clear market/budget gap in between this and the push for a another device with MPE / more tracks and power…
Move 2. I can wait….
Or maybe I can’t?
GAS is a real thing hihihi
4 tracks is fine with me man…I gotta feeling fw updates may render it 8 with a [shift+click], and hey I been on the ball so far (so maybe I would get one when I return the z)….who knows …maybe MPE with fw??
I’m thinking I may stick my MPC One Retro on eBay and pick up the Move…
This should shift some units
Looking forward to sampling from iPad apps to the Move via USB. Maybe even some back-and-forth with Koala.
Pretty sure it doesn’t have USB audio? Or at least Ableton suggest sampling from phone using the line-in.
That and the fact there’s also no DIN or TRS MIDI really put me off this. I suppose it’s targeted at someone who is at least vaguely interested in using Live.
Not sure I understand the question? You can resample to a drum pad, though at the moment slicing is a little underutilized, doable but a bit more steps than other gear with auto slicing like the Digitakt2.
Re: MPE, Move was meant to be an affordable, portable way to sketch ideas on hardware. The MPE pads from Push 3 would have greatly increased the cost beyond what it was intended to be. It’s like asking for heavy piano action on an entry level midi controller, there’s better tools for that if it’s important to you (IE Push 3 in this case).
4 tracks is all we get too, I wouldn’t expect a firmware update to change this. There’s other more exciting features we’ll likely see coming in the future though I’d guess. 😉
I’m
Wondering the same. I will probably hold off until version 1.2 or something anyways. I’d like to see them add a bunch more things before I drop any money.
Mine should be in today. I’ll post my thoughts after getting accustomed to it.
I’m really excited about playing it and using it in my workflow. I think it will be fun and do all the things i want to do with other gear i have.
Yes would love to see a new Circuit with the Tracks and Rhythm merged with usb C class compliant audio and midi.
Yeah. Maybe it’s been overlooked in the specs or is coming in an update, but they currently state “ Sample your environment with Move’s microphone or 3.5 mm audio input”.
Yes, hope removing DIN and TRS midi does not become a thing for future hardware!
It’s Audio out only at present over USB.
If we get polyphonic 16 levels, I’m sold. From what I understand, the drum kits have 16 voices of polyphony, so they could implement some sort of shared polyphony, like the Digitone, and create a really versatile piece of kit.